Trump Ukraine Question I did not realize

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3/21/2022 3:44pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2022 3:44pm
flarider wrote:
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call,"...
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy

All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call," Trump (Or Manafort thru Trump) was trying to cut off and harm Ukraine to the benefit of Russia.

Am I getting that wrong?
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Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition...
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition to showing them who was in charge by not making things too easy for them after that. Also, no country ever just gives something for nothing to another country. If you make it too easy, you have no negotiating power (one of Trump's specialties). So what, he delayed (yes, delayed) some arms during a time when they were not needed? So you're going to imply that those few weeks of delay made Ukraine vulnerable? Laughing
Laughing As opposed to during the time when Russia was actively invading Crimea?
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You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then.

But then again, apparently you didn't know the facts and truth
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flarider wrote:
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call,"...
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy

All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call," Trump (Or Manafort thru Trump) was trying to cut off and harm Ukraine to the benefit of Russia.

Am I getting that wrong?
ToolMaker wrote:
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition...
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition to showing them who was in charge by not making things too easy for them after that. Also, no country ever just gives something for nothing to another country. If you make it too easy, you have no negotiating power (one of Trump's specialties). So what, he delayed (yes, delayed) some arms during a time when they were not needed? So you're going to imply that those few weeks of delay made Ukraine vulnerable? Laughing
Laughing As opposed to during the time when Russia was actively invading Crimea?
TM
flarider wrote:
You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then. But then again, apparently...
You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then.

But then again, apparently you didn't know the facts and truth
Because Dave is the lone purveyor of the truth. He's got his crystal ball right next to his coffee cup.
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Any news on FBI questioning Manafort? I don`t believe US not questioning him after all we know. The same thing goes for Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Or we will never know and it will be buried as national secret?
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Any news on FBI questioning Manafort? I don`t believe US not questioning him after all we know. The same thing goes for Lev Parnas and Igor...
Any news on FBI questioning Manafort? I don`t believe US not questioning him after all we know. The same thing goes for Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Or we will never know and it will be buried as national secret?
I don’t think they’ll get honest answers.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772…

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flarider wrote:
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call,"...
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy

All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call," Trump (Or Manafort thru Trump) was trying to cut off and harm Ukraine to the benefit of Russia.

Am I getting that wrong?
ToolMaker wrote:
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition...
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition to showing them who was in charge by not making things too easy for them after that. Also, no country ever just gives something for nothing to another country. If you make it too easy, you have no negotiating power (one of Trump's specialties). So what, he delayed (yes, delayed) some arms during a time when they were not needed? So you're going to imply that those few weeks of delay made Ukraine vulnerable? Laughing
Laughing As opposed to during the time when Russia was actively invading Crimea?
TM
flarider wrote:
You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then. But then again, apparently...
You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then.

But then again, apparently you didn't know the facts and truth
Why are they fighting RUSSIA in The Donbas?
WHEN did that become "a thing"?
On "who's watch" did that start?
How was Vlad allowed to TAKE Crimea? (again, on "who's watch"?)
Why didn't Vlad cause any problems on The Donald's watch? (Since we can't let go if The Donald 'round h'yar!)
Why is Vlad stirring MORE shit under Biden than he did under Obama?
What has/had Joe done "before the fact" to give Vlad ANY indication that Joe is a formidable diplomatic opponent?
Why didn't Joe do ANYTHING during the YEAR of Russia's OBVIOUS "War Footing" at the Ukrainian Border...that, btw, took place over this LAST YEAR?!
While joe is -obviously- Feeble and Inept, y'all STILL champion him over those that actually kept Vlad at bay. Why?
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kongols wrote:
Any news on FBI questioning Manafort? I don`t believe US not questioning him after all we know. The same thing goes for Lev Parnas and Igor...
Any news on FBI questioning Manafort? I don`t believe US not questioning him after all we know. The same thing goes for Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Or we will never know and it will be buried as national secret?
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TeamGreen wrote:
Why are they fighting RUSSIA in The Donbas? WHEN did that become "a thing"? On "who's watch" did that start? How was Vlad allowed to TAKE...
Why are they fighting RUSSIA in The Donbas?
WHEN did that become "a thing"?
On "who's watch" did that start?
How was Vlad allowed to TAKE Crimea? (again, on "who's watch"?)
Why didn't Vlad cause any problems on The Donald's watch? (Since we can't let go if The Donald 'round h'yar!)
Why is Vlad stirring MORE shit under Biden than he did under Obama?
What has/had Joe done "before the fact" to give Vlad ANY indication that Joe is a formidable diplomatic opponent?
Why didn't Joe do ANYTHING during the YEAR of Russia's OBVIOUS "War Footing" at the Ukrainian Border...that, btw, took place over this LAST YEAR?!
While joe is -obviously- Feeble and Inept, y'all STILL champion him over those that actually kept Vlad at bay. Why?
Probably the stutter.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Why are they fighting RUSSIA in The Donbas? WHEN did that become "a thing"? On "who's watch" did that start? How was Vlad allowed to TAKE...
Why are they fighting RUSSIA in The Donbas?
WHEN did that become "a thing"?
On "who's watch" did that start?
How was Vlad allowed to TAKE Crimea? (again, on "who's watch"?)
Why didn't Vlad cause any problems on The Donald's watch? (Since we can't let go if The Donald 'round h'yar!)
Why is Vlad stirring MORE shit under Biden than he did under Obama?
What has/had Joe done "before the fact" to give Vlad ANY indication that Joe is a formidable diplomatic opponent?
Why didn't Joe do ANYTHING during the YEAR of Russia's OBVIOUS "War Footing" at the Ukrainian Border...that, btw, took place over this LAST YEAR?!
While joe is -obviously- Feeble and Inept, y'all STILL champion him over those that actually kept Vlad at bay. Why?
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Probably the stutter.
Well, Karl, that's jus' mean.

Y'all are too damn ornery, sometimes.

I guess that's why we get along!Evil

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Well, Karl, that's jus' mean.

Y'all are too damn ornery, sometimes.

I guess that's why we get along!Evil

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I can't help it...
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3/21/2022 5:29pm
flarider wrote:
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call,"...
I admit I missed this first time around, and Trump or not, sure seems fishy

All the way back to 2016, long before the "perfect call," Trump (Or Manafort thru Trump) was trying to cut off and harm Ukraine to the benefit of Russia.

Am I getting that wrong?
ToolMaker wrote:
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition...
Everyone knew that Ukraine (influential people there) helped the Hillary campaign. I Believe Trump had to know who they could and couldn't trust there. In addition to showing them who was in charge by not making things too easy for them after that. Also, no country ever just gives something for nothing to another country. If you make it too easy, you have no negotiating power (one of Trump's specialties). So what, he delayed (yes, delayed) some arms during a time when they were not needed? So you're going to imply that those few weeks of delay made Ukraine vulnerable? Laughing
Laughing As opposed to during the time when Russia was actively invading Crimea?
TM
flarider wrote:
You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then. But then again, apparently...
You do know Ukraine has been fighting the Russians in the Eastern Donbass region for years, they needed that military aid, then.

But then again, apparently you didn't know the facts and truth
I like that you answered your onw question. If something has been going on for years, a few weeks delay is insignificant.
So we'll agree to disagree on who doesn't know what. But you do make me laugh, I'll give you that.
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Dave, I wouldn't have thought you would be a Fan of Manafort.

So, Paul Manafort came up with some unknown and unexplained GOP policy that somehow reduced US support, yet enabled Ukraine to have almost 8 years of Peace and Prosperity, only to have it ruined by the Biden administration?

Guy sounds like a freakin genius to me.

Anyone that can come up with a secretive policy that creates peace in a banana Republic like Ukraine should get a medal. I think you are giving this guy way to much credit.

BTW Poroshenko former president, opposition candidate to Zelensky is back in Ukraine, essentially under house arrest So much for Democracy, and Dicking around in other peoples business.
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At least Trump didn’t literally shit himself when talking to world leaders, fall asleep at the UN or check his watch during a military funeral.
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At least Trump didn’t literally shit himself when talking to world leaders, fall asleep at the UN or check his watch during a military funeral.
Now we now know who believes all the Q stuff and does no actual research himself.

So, as I had already surmised, you have been compromised
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No one still gives a shit that the former campaign manager for the Putin puppet candidate came to the USA to manage an American Presidential Campaign and in the process of doing so completely gutted a political parties attitude and support of a free democratic nation under attack by and on the doorstep of Russia.

SMH


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flarider wrote:
No one still gives a shit that the former campaign manager for the Putin puppet candidate came to the USA to manage an American Presidential Campaign...
No one still gives a shit that the former campaign manager for the Putin puppet candidate came to the USA to manage an American Presidential Campaign and in the process of doing so completely gutted a political parties attitude and support of a free democratic nation under attack by and on the doorstep of Russia.

SMH


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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
Help a Brit out here. This ‘Hunter laptop’, where are the contents? Where have they been published? Where can I see the incriminating evidence?
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flarider wrote:
No one still gives a shit that the former campaign manager for the Putin puppet candidate came to the USA to manage an American Presidential Campaign...
No one still gives a shit that the former campaign manager for the Putin puppet candidate came to the USA to manage an American Presidential Campaign and in the process of doing so completely gutted a political parties attitude and support of a free democratic nation under attack by and on the doorstep of Russia.

SMH


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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
Bring it on.

I have no idea why I have to keep repeating, if he broke a law, indict, arrest, convict and throw in prison...I DO NOT CARE.

Why is that so hard to get? I have no preference. I do not care if Hunter goes to prison or not. DO NOT CARE.

Get it?

Need I say it again?
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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
Robgvx wrote:
Help a Brit out here. This ‘Hunter laptop’, where are the contents? Where have they been published? Where can I see the incriminating evidence?
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
Robgvx wrote:
Help a Brit out here. This ‘Hunter laptop’, where are the contents? Where have they been published? Where can I see the incriminating evidence?
A few news outlets have a copy, the dailymail has a copy and has been slowly dripping it for the last year.

Lots of pictures are out there if you look around, with hookers and kids in bondage outfits, including his 14 yr old niece in bed with him, he fucked her mom aka his dead brother's wife.

crackhead



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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
Robgvx wrote:
Help a Brit out here. This ‘Hunter laptop’, where are the contents? Where have they been published? Where can I see the incriminating evidence?
flarider wrote:
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years. You do have a serious chain of custody...
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
Have you seen all the pictures, that shit is real, keep watching CNN
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hunter laptop, 10% for the big guy.

Just a regular American, like you and me. Tongue big paychecks from Ukraine

Enjoy your red state bliss
Robgvx wrote:
Help a Brit out here. This ‘Hunter laptop’, where are the contents? Where have they been published? Where can I see the incriminating evidence?
flarider wrote:
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years. You do have a serious chain of custody...
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
The FBI got a copy of the laptop's content years ago.
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vet323 wrote:
The FBI got a copy of the laptop's content years ago.
Well if that's the case, why did Trump and the Bill Barr DOJ not act if they had all the evidence all along?
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Robgvx wrote:
Help a Brit out here. This ‘Hunter laptop’, where are the contents? Where have they been published? Where can I see the incriminating evidence?
flarider wrote:
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years. You do have a serious chain of custody...
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
vet323 wrote:
The FBI got a copy of the laptop's content years ago.
To bad the FBI is totally corrupted, and the DOJ too.

wow they lost it like all the Epstein info

CNN dave is on the case, Biden is a God
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flarider wrote:
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years. You do have a serious chain of custody...
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
vet323 wrote:
The FBI got a copy of the laptop's content years ago.
To bad the FBI is totally corrupted, and the DOJ too. wow they lost it like all the Epstein info CNN dave is on the case...
To bad the FBI is totally corrupted, and the DOJ too.

wow they lost it like all the Epstein info

CNN dave is on the case, Biden is a God
So the FBI doesn't have the laptop?

I'm confused

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3/22/2022 6:54am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2022 6:55am
flarider wrote:
So the FBI doesn't have the laptop?

I'm confused

Obviously!



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flarider wrote:
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years. You do have a serious chain of custody...
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
I think Hunter dropped off the laptop for repair April of 2019. I’m pretty sure the FBI got it from the repairman. Not sure what the chain of custody problems are.

You say to go ahead and convict Hunter, if he’s guilty.
What about when they prove Joe was involved? How do you feel about the fact that all of this was covered up by social media and MSM? Are you ok with the election interference from all of that?

Then, if Joe is impeached, are you ok with Kamala? Or Nancy, if Kamala is impeached?
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flarider wrote:
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years. You do have a serious chain of custody...
Keep in mind, we do not know where this laptop has been for the last five plus years.

You do have a serious chain of custody issue here
Gworm wrote:
I think Hunter dropped off the laptop for repair April of 2019. I’m pretty sure the FBI got it from the repairman. Not sure what the...
I think Hunter dropped off the laptop for repair April of 2019. I’m pretty sure the FBI got it from the repairman. Not sure what the chain of custody problems are.

You say to go ahead and convict Hunter, if he’s guilty.
What about when they prove Joe was involved? How do you feel about the fact that all of this was covered up by social media and MSM? Are you ok with the election interference from all of that?

Then, if Joe is impeached, are you ok with Kamala? Or Nancy, if Kamala is impeached?
The FBI is corrupt, Kamala is a retard
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flarider wrote:
So the FBI doesn't have the laptop?

I'm confused

You aren't confused.

You're willfully ignorant. Big difference.
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