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LungButter 1/7/2022 12:15pm
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robotsfrom wrote:
In the recap from the stage on the Dakar YouTube Sam Sunderland was saying what made it so dangerous is that the road book no longer...
In the recap from the stage on the Dakar YouTube Sam Sunderland was saying what made it so dangerous is that the road book no longer matched the course after the cars and trucks had ran it.

Made some sense to me seeing how now both Ross Branch and Skyler Howes are out from crashes and several others had big get offs.
Just to clarify, Skyler crashed out yesterday, he didn't start the stage today that ended up being shortened.
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Xeno 1/7/2022 12:20pm
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Stuntman949 wrote:
Its weird to think that there's inexperienced riders in the Dakar, but I know there's quite a few hobbyists. As long as you do an approved...
Its weird to think that there's inexperienced riders in the Dakar, but I know there's quite a few hobbyists. As long as you do an approved rally before, pass the physical and sign a big check...
I'm not saying there are inexperienced racers in this rally. My point is they raced fast roads and dunes for 5 days, then day 6 they are trying to have the same pace in terrain that looks like Johnson Valley after King of Hammers, and that makes for a lot of crashes.
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Xeno 1/7/2022 12:23pm
1/7/2022 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/7/2022 12:43pm
Ross Branch injured his leg in a crash during the first 3km of stage 6.
TriRacer27 1/7/2022 12:31pm
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Ross Branch injured his leg in a crash during the first 3km of stage 6.
Didn't he get up and keep going?

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Xeno 1/7/2022 12:52pm
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Didn't he get up and keep going?
I was misinformed about the injury (not broken). He exited the stage to recieve medical help. Maybe he went back and finished the stage hours later? Sounds like he's out of the rally, although the standings show him is 123rd place with a 15 1/2 hour penalty.
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Stuntman949 1/7/2022 2:57pm
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Well this sucks. I hope he's okay. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/06/526878/s1200_IMG_2586.jpg[/img]
Well this sucks. I hope he's okay.




Sometimes that pain catches up with you once you get off the bike and the adrenaline subsides. Such a bummer
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shanhard 1/8/2022 7:36am
1/8/2022 7:36am
*This* is the spirit of the Dakar
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dontdrinkandpost 1/8/2022 9:46pm
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Sanders out and off to hospital after a crash on liaison to the start of todays stage 🤢🤮
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Natester551v 1/8/2022 10:18pm
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Dang...hope Chucky is okay!!! He's been crushing it this year....
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jaun 1/8/2022 10:36pm
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jaun wrote:
I am right it's listed on the Dakar page, €15700
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Technically you are correct. The entry fee is only €15,700, but there are additional costs to enter that cant be avoided. Most guys I have spoken...
Technically you are correct. The entry fee is only €15,700, but there are additional costs to enter that cant be avoided.

Most guys I have spoken to in AUS say that its about $150,000 all in to race it including entry fees, renting a bike, having support crew.
This video shows a bit more detail.

https://youtu.be/zN46x3ugBwA
I have a good friend that has raced it on his own dime got top 20, it was under $100k with a spare motor and everything.
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jaun 1/8/2022 10:37pm
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jaun wrote:
I am right it's listed on the Dakar page, €15700
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Technically you are correct. The entry fee is only €15,700, but there are additional costs to enter that cant be avoided. Most guys I have spoken...
Technically you are correct. The entry fee is only €15,700, but there are additional costs to enter that cant be avoided.

Most guys I have spoken to in AUS say that its about $150,000 all in to race it including entry fees, renting a bike, having support crew.
This video shows a bit more detail.

https://youtu.be/zN46x3ugBwA
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I have a good friend that has raced it on his own dime got top 20, it was under $100k with a spare motor and everything.
That's AUD to.
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jaun 1/8/2022 10:40pm
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Anyway back to the race, Can't believe Sanders went out on a transport station
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7I3N 1/9/2022 6:47pm
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So bummed for Skyler. He was having a good race, staying near the front. I'm glad he's okay.

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MO 23 1/12/2022 1:49pm
1/12/2022 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2022 2:20pm
What a race, any of the top 5 can win it.

I am really impressed with Petrucci, it shows how versatile some of these MotoGP guys are on a bike regardless of the discipline

Really solid race from Shorty too, thats cool to see. I hope he is back next year
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dontdrinkandpost 1/12/2022 2:16pm
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MO 23 wrote:
What a race, any of the top 5 can win it. I am really impressed with Petrucci, it shows how versatile some of these MotoGP guys...
What a race, any of the top 5 can win it.

I am really impressed with Petrucci, it shows how versatile some of these MotoGP guys are on a bike regardless of the discipline

Really solid race from Shorty too, thats cool to see. I hope he is back next year
Yeah it has been good, I did like it better in South America though, it seemed like the terrain made it easier to separate the riders. Here it is a matter of if you start the stage you are not going to win because your too easy to follow. In South America the fastest rider was more likely to win consecutive days.
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LungButter 1/12/2022 2:32pm
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dontdrinkandpost wrote:
Yeah it has been good, I did like it better in South America though, it seemed like the terrain made it easier to separate the riders...
Yeah it has been good, I did like it better in South America though, it seemed like the terrain made it easier to separate the riders. Here it is a matter of if you start the stage you are not going to win because your too easy to follow. In South America the fastest rider was more likely to win consecutive days.
Yes, but South America was also a lot more racing on Roads so the road book was easier to follow a lot of times.

In Saudi a lot/most of the course is "off piste" so it requires greater navigation skills.

To me the best Rally racer is not the fastest guy that can win every stage, it's the guy who is smart enough to play the strategy to have the lowest time after 12 days of racing.

What I REALLY don't like about this years Dakar is that you can restart after DNFing a stage. I see why they would do this for the Amateurs who have spent a fortune to be there, but for the Factory/Rally GP guys to be able to DNF and then line back up and still fight for stage wins really flies in the face of the "Spirit of Dakar".

I wish they would just go back to Africa where it's meant to be. They already had a terrorist attack before the Rally in Saudi this year so that is no longer an excuse for not going to Africa.

All that said, I'm hoping that BamBam Barreda can throttle down and get on top of the podium, dude is a Dakar Legend and it'd be great to see him get the big prize at least once.
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RDX 1/12/2022 2:44pm
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LungButter wrote:
Yes, but South America was also a lot more racing on Roads so the road book was easier to follow a lot of times. In Saudi...
Yes, but South America was also a lot more racing on Roads so the road book was easier to follow a lot of times.

In Saudi a lot/most of the course is "off piste" so it requires greater navigation skills.

To me the best Rally racer is not the fastest guy that can win every stage, it's the guy who is smart enough to play the strategy to have the lowest time after 12 days of racing.

What I REALLY don't like about this years Dakar is that you can restart after DNFing a stage. I see why they would do this for the Amateurs who have spent a fortune to be there, but for the Factory/Rally GP guys to be able to DNF and then line back up and still fight for stage wins really flies in the face of the "Spirit of Dakar".

I wish they would just go back to Africa where it's meant to be. They already had a terrorist attack before the Rally in Saudi this year so that is no longer an excuse for not going to Africa.

All that said, I'm hoping that BamBam Barreda can throttle down and get on top of the podium, dude is a Dakar Legend and it'd be great to see him get the big prize at least once.
He was 40 minutes down the leader after a crash on the initial stages and reduced it to 8 minutes with 2 to go. On a broken collarbone. True legend.
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Supermega1 1/12/2022 2:56pm
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LungButter wrote:
Yes, but South America was also a lot more racing on Roads so the road book was easier to follow a lot of times. In Saudi...
Yes, but South America was also a lot more racing on Roads so the road book was easier to follow a lot of times.

In Saudi a lot/most of the course is "off piste" so it requires greater navigation skills.

To me the best Rally racer is not the fastest guy that can win every stage, it's the guy who is smart enough to play the strategy to have the lowest time after 12 days of racing.

What I REALLY don't like about this years Dakar is that you can restart after DNFing a stage. I see why they would do this for the Amateurs who have spent a fortune to be there, but for the Factory/Rally GP guys to be able to DNF and then line back up and still fight for stage wins really flies in the face of the "Spirit of Dakar".

I wish they would just go back to Africa where it's meant to be. They already had a terrorist attack before the Rally in Saudi this year so that is no longer an excuse for not going to Africa.

All that said, I'm hoping that BamBam Barreda can throttle down and get on top of the podium, dude is a Dakar Legend and it'd be great to see him get the big prize at least once.
The reentering the race is due to the fact that this is the first year the Dakar is paying points daily for the year long Rally championship.

So each race day they get points, rally racer with the most at the end of the season wins. This applies to all races in the world championship this year.

The organizers didn't want someone to not participate in later races in the championship or not have a title chance just because they DNF'ed a race.
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LungButter 1/12/2022 3:05pm
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Supermega1 wrote:
The reentering the race is due to the fact that this is the first year the Dakar is paying points daily for the year long Rally...
The reentering the race is due to the fact that this is the first year the Dakar is paying points daily for the year long Rally championship.

So each race day they get points, rally racer with the most at the end of the season wins. This applies to all races in the world championship this year.

The organizers didn't want someone to not participate in later races in the championship or not have a title chance just because they DNF'ed a race.
Yes.

I still think it's stupid. Shouldn't DNFing a race hurt your chances at a Championship?

They also include the Andalucia Road Race in that Championship which is about the furthest thing from a "real" rally as you can get in my opinion.

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kunk 1/12/2022 8:49pm
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Supermega1 wrote:
The reentering the race is due to the fact that this is the first year the Dakar is paying points daily for the year long Rally...
The reentering the race is due to the fact that this is the first year the Dakar is paying points daily for the year long Rally championship.

So each race day they get points, rally racer with the most at the end of the season wins. This applies to all races in the world championship this year.

The organizers didn't want someone to not participate in later races in the championship or not have a title chance just because they DNF'ed a race.
LungButter wrote:
Yes. I still think it's stupid. Shouldn't DNFing a race hurt your chances at a Championship? They also include the Andalucia Road Race in that Championship...
Yes.

I still think it's stupid. Shouldn't DNFing a race hurt your chances at a Championship?

They also include the Andalucia Road Race in that Championship which is about the furthest thing from a "real" rally as you can get in my opinion.

I understand if each day is considered it’s own race.
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LungButter 1/13/2022 11:31pm
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Sam Sunderland 2022 Dakar Champ.

Congrats to Sundersam, he’s now a 2 time champ of the toughest race on earth.
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dontdrinkandpost 1/13/2022 11:39pm
1/13/2022 11:39pm
LungButter wrote:
Sam Sunderland 2022 Dakar Champ.

Congrats to Sundersam, he’s now a 2 time champ of the toughest race on earth.
Congratulations to Sam in what was a unpredictable and difficult event this year.
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Dimblewambie 1/14/2022 7:10am
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Really fucking impressed by Mason Klein, great performance as a rookie. Can’t wait to watch him in the future.
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Langhammx 1/14/2022 7:14am
1/14/2022 7:14am
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Really fucking impressed by Mason Klein, great performance as a rookie. Can’t wait to watch him in the future.
He did so well. This race cost him over $111,000 to race. I’m told that he sold everything he dad to be able to give it a go. There is a GoFund me account that is still open, if anyone is feeling like they’d like to pitch in for his efforts…
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-mason-klein-rally-in-dakar
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rohleder644 1/14/2022 7:51am
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Langhammx wrote:
He did so well. This race cost him over $111,000 to race. I’m told that he sold everything he dad to be able to give it...
He did so well. This race cost him over $111,000 to race. I’m told that he sold everything he dad to be able to give it a go. There is a GoFund me account that is still open, if anyone is feeling like they’d like to pitch in for his efforts…
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-mason-klein-rally-in-dakar
I know off road contracts are miles better today than they used to be. And I know rally is a different beast all together. But, are the factory contracts really so high that it’s worth spending over a hundred grand for the opportunity to maybe land one? Never mind the probability of it all going to shit. But investing 6 figures, for ONE race in the hopes of landing a ride? Those teams better be kicking some serious jack down the line.
Langhammx 1/14/2022 8:09am
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He did so well. This race cost him over $111,000 to race. I’m told that he sold everything he dad to be able to give it...
He did so well. This race cost him over $111,000 to race. I’m told that he sold everything he dad to be able to give it a go. There is a GoFund me account that is still open, if anyone is feeling like they’d like to pitch in for his efforts…
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-mason-klein-rally-in-dakar
rohleder644 wrote:
I know off road contracts are miles better today than they used to be. And I know rally is a different beast all together. But, are...
I know off road contracts are miles better today than they used to be. And I know rally is a different beast all together. But, are the factory contracts really so high that it’s worth spending over a hundred grand for the opportunity to maybe land one? Never mind the probability of it all going to shit. But investing 6 figures, for ONE race in the hopes of landing a ride? Those teams better be kicking some serious jack down the line.
Great question. Hoping that he can land a ride from this performance. I honestly don’t know what the OffRoad salaries pay these days either. There are only a small few that make GOOD money, I’m sure. Hopefully he can be one of them next year !

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