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Mugeneco wrote:
Steve doesnt think so :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518083/s1200_Matthes.jpg[/img]
Steve doesnt think so Laughing


There’s no way he truly believes that.

How could you?
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Matthes is stuck in the past with his GP takes. He's living in 2011, not 2021.
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Steve doesnt think so :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518083/s1200_Matthes.jpg[/img]
Steve doesnt think so Laughing


Nobody has told him it's not 2008 anymore.
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Europe is a one-horse town (one discipline).

Over here, our guys are way too damn focused on “The SX Money”; because, our OEMs are too damn focused on it.

THAT is what’s biting us in the ass.

Europe kicking our ass and keeping us honest doesn’t bother me for a single second.
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We've reached the point where the GP riders even visually look faster. Watch one of the late GP rounds and then watch a US National. And if you study the GP tracks and then the US tracks its crazy how rough the GP tracks are.

The top 6 GP guys have reached a whole different level.... and I feel like they could learn supercross pretty quick if they choose to. They are skilled and extremely aggressive.

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The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top 3 on MXGP circuit would clean house in Supercross" that'd be ridiculous. Depending on the track, Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis could absolutely win against the top MXGP guys outdoors. The top MXGP guys wouldn't touch those 3 on ANY Supercross track, period.

It's impressive that, essentially, part time motocrossers can and have beaten the best MXGP guys.
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Europe is a one-horse town (one discipline). Over here, our guys are way too damn focused on “The SX Money”; because, our OEMs are too damn...
Europe is a one-horse town (one discipline).

Over here, our guys are way too damn focused on “The SX Money”; because, our OEMs are too damn focused on it.

THAT is what’s biting us in the ass.

Europe kicking our ass and keeping us honest doesn’t bother me for a single second.
It’s the same as it was from 2005-2011 bro. SX was king then, too. And back then they switched from 2 to 4 strokes.

Euros have just closed the gap, and we have had some piss poor performances.
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If it’s muddy or raining in the sand the American based riders will get smoked. If your going off of one off end of year races that’s a bit of a stretch too. As much as Herlings dominated there were plenty of blow outs at the USGPs as well. Last races of the year there are always guys going thru the motions. People watching now get so bent up that the Americans are getting smoked at MXDN when it’s mud or wet sand. I got news for you, the Europeans as a whole have always been better in those conditions, always. If a majority of you on the forum knew what the hell the GP’s were before 2015 you would know this. Look at the 87 MxDN for example after 86 then look at the 97-98 MxDN after the 96 edition. Some of you learn about the GP’s from Matthes and Weedge, Well that is like a blind man describing colors to you. Old school European tracks and shitty tracks like Turkey also create closer racing then wide open AMA tracks usually. Put a healthy Herlings or Gajser at a Red Bud GP let’s say and they will beat 6th place by a minute. Of course the top 3 could come over and compete for wins maybe potentially easier than say our top 3 going over there, although Kenny would love the cooler temps which of course is a major factor no one brings up. A hot European summer is a warm spring day over here.
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I was conceived at the 87 MXDN in a Buick Grand National.
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And I’m going riding at jammin Jimmy Wienerts today.

Can’t make this shit up.

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Europe is a one-horse town (one discipline). Over here, our guys are way too damn focused on “The SX Money”; because, our OEMs are too damn...
Europe is a one-horse town (one discipline).

Over here, our guys are way too damn focused on “The SX Money”; because, our OEMs are too damn focused on it.

THAT is what’s biting us in the ass.

Europe kicking our ass and keeping us honest doesn’t bother me for a single second.
If you want to call MXGP a one horse town that’s your view. Going from hard pack of Russia to the deep sand of lonmel and adjusting to unprepared track’s carries a diverse range of skill sets that’s acquired by training as much as any SX prep work. Europe isn’t averse to SX because of its hardship but more down to we just don’t consider it the same sport as outdoor. I must admit I watch the SX series in the winter and enjoy but when the real stuff kicks in it’s no contest.
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Stats don't lie
The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs.
In the 2018, the best AMA guy was Tomac at Red Bud in the home soil (and no Seeer, Gaiser, Cairoli, Febvre, and Hoff in this race) in the first moto (MXGP+MX2), when he was 4th, and got beat by Prado, who was third on the 250.
In 2019 best AMA guy (2020 champ btw) was Osborne, whos best place in the races was 5th (no Herlings, Gaiser, Febvre, Cairoli, Seewer, and Prado in this race), in race two (MX2+Open)
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The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top...
The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top 3 on MXGP circuit would clean house in Supercross" that'd be ridiculous. Depending on the track, Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis could absolutely win against the top MXGP guys outdoors. The top MXGP guys wouldn't touch those 3 on ANY Supercross track, period.

It's impressive that, essentially, part time motocrossers can and have beaten the best MXGP guys.
Are you on crack? When JH84 kicked ass at Ironman it didn’t really happen, fake news?
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Stats don't lie The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs. In the 2018, the best AMA...
Stats don't lie
The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs.
In the 2018, the best AMA guy was Tomac at Red Bud in the home soil (and no Seeer, Gaiser, Cairoli, Febvre, and Hoff in this race) in the first moto (MXGP+MX2), when he was 4th, and got beat by Prado, who was third on the 250.
In 2019 best AMA guy (2020 champ btw) was Osborne, whos best place in the races was 5th (no Herlings, Gaiser, Febvre, Cairoli, Seewer, and Prado in this race), in race two (MX2+Open)
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to Glen in that moto at 2018 MXDN the first weekend on that bike. The reason I bring that up is, we hear about Prado beating Tomac but not about Hunter beating Prado and I believe he ran him down at the end of the race. Hunter is not exactly dominating over here. He has one overall. Max won his last moto in the GP’s with a punctured lung. He has had one moto podium here and two top 5 motos in 2 years. Stats can go both ways. Plus 2020 Zac was much better than 2019 Zac. I’m just trying to stir the pot here. When there was GPs in America the Americans had very good results with some bad of course. Take 2016 for example, deep into Americas losing steak and the last year of a “dry” MxDN. Tomac wins all 4 GP motos, he won 3 all year in America. Barcia beats the GP field at Charlotte moto 1 for an American 1-2 with Webb winning the 250 class for an American sweep at a GP and Anderson wins a MxDN moto and was never close to a AMA win at the time then of course gets landed on. What changed since 2016? Wetter MxDNs. It’s far more conditions based than anything. SX has hurt the Americans more in training in “bad” conditions than anything else.
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keinz 11/13/2021 9:24am
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Stats don't lie The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs. In the 2018, the best AMA...
Stats don't lie
The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs.
In the 2018, the best AMA guy was Tomac at Red Bud in the home soil (and no Seeer, Gaiser, Cairoli, Febvre, and Hoff in this race) in the first moto (MXGP+MX2), when he was 4th, and got beat by Prado, who was third on the 250.
In 2019 best AMA guy (2020 champ btw) was Osborne, whos best place in the races was 5th (no Herlings, Gaiser, Febvre, Cairoli, Seewer, and Prado in this race), in race two (MX2+Open)
Park Boys wrote:
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to...
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to Glen in that moto at 2018 MXDN the first weekend on that bike. The reason I bring that up is, we hear about Prado beating Tomac but not about Hunter beating Prado and I believe he ran him down at the end of the race. Hunter is not exactly dominating over here. He has one overall. Max won his last moto in the GP’s with a punctured lung. He has had one moto podium here and two top 5 motos in 2 years. Stats can go both ways. Plus 2020 Zac was much better than 2019 Zac. I’m just trying to stir the pot here. When there was GPs in America the Americans had very good results with some bad of course. Take 2016 for example, deep into Americas losing steak and the last year of a “dry” MxDN. Tomac wins all 4 GP motos, he won 3 all year in America. Barcia beats the GP field at Charlotte moto 1 for an American 1-2 with Webb winning the 250 class for an American sweep at a GP and Anderson wins a MxDN moto and was never close to a AMA win at the time then of course gets landed on. What changed since 2016? Wetter MxDNs. It’s far more conditions based than anything. SX has hurt the Americans more in training in “bad” conditions than anything else.
That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil
And what has changed since 2016?
How about 5 years, and Jett Lawrence was 12 years old at that timeSmile
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Stats don't lie The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs. In the 2018, the best AMA...
Stats don't lie
The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs.
In the 2018, the best AMA guy was Tomac at Red Bud in the home soil (and no Seeer, Gaiser, Cairoli, Febvre, and Hoff in this race) in the first moto (MXGP+MX2), when he was 4th, and got beat by Prado, who was third on the 250.
In 2019 best AMA guy (2020 champ btw) was Osborne, whos best place in the races was 5th (no Herlings, Gaiser, Febvre, Cairoli, Seewer, and Prado in this race), in race two (MX2+Open)
Park Boys wrote:
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to...
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to Glen in that moto at 2018 MXDN the first weekend on that bike. The reason I bring that up is, we hear about Prado beating Tomac but not about Hunter beating Prado and I believe he ran him down at the end of the race. Hunter is not exactly dominating over here. He has one overall. Max won his last moto in the GP’s with a punctured lung. He has had one moto podium here and two top 5 motos in 2 years. Stats can go both ways. Plus 2020 Zac was much better than 2019 Zac. I’m just trying to stir the pot here. When there was GPs in America the Americans had very good results with some bad of course. Take 2016 for example, deep into Americas losing steak and the last year of a “dry” MxDN. Tomac wins all 4 GP motos, he won 3 all year in America. Barcia beats the GP field at Charlotte moto 1 for an American 1-2 with Webb winning the 250 class for an American sweep at a GP and Anderson wins a MxDN moto and was never close to a AMA win at the time then of course gets landed on. What changed since 2016? Wetter MxDNs. It’s far more conditions based than anything. SX has hurt the Americans more in training in “bad” conditions than anything else.
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That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil And what has changed since 2016? How...
That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil
And what has changed since 2016?
How about 5 years, and Jett Lawrence was 12 years old at that timeSmile
Like I’ve said time and time again, The Europeans IMO have always been better in Mud, wet sand or basically any condition deemed other. Which is why I brought up the 87,97 and 98 MxDN as they were right after the two most dominant teams ever to show how little as changed. If in 2021 Red Bud is like 2018 we stand no chance, perhaps Justin Cooper could win his class. If it’s dry, depending on who showed up they would be the favorites. The reason I brought up 2016 is that’s literally the last dry MxDN which is Also why I brought up Hunter and Max as Hunters result was from the 2018 MxDN and Max’s was from 2019 GP season. If you look for it, everyone has beaten everyone.
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keinz 11/13/2021 9:50am
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Park Boys wrote:
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to...
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to Glen in that moto at 2018 MXDN the first weekend on that bike. The reason I bring that up is, we hear about Prado beating Tomac but not about Hunter beating Prado and I believe he ran him down at the end of the race. Hunter is not exactly dominating over here. He has one overall. Max won his last moto in the GP’s with a punctured lung. He has had one moto podium here and two top 5 motos in 2 years. Stats can go both ways. Plus 2020 Zac was much better than 2019 Zac. I’m just trying to stir the pot here. When there was GPs in America the Americans had very good results with some bad of course. Take 2016 for example, deep into Americas losing steak and the last year of a “dry” MxDN. Tomac wins all 4 GP motos, he won 3 all year in America. Barcia beats the GP field at Charlotte moto 1 for an American 1-2 with Webb winning the 250 class for an American sweep at a GP and Anderson wins a MxDN moto and was never close to a AMA win at the time then of course gets landed on. What changed since 2016? Wetter MxDNs. It’s far more conditions based than anything. SX has hurt the Americans more in training in “bad” conditions than anything else.
keinz wrote:
That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil And what has changed since 2016? How...
That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil
And what has changed since 2016?
How about 5 years, and Jett Lawrence was 12 years old at that timeSmile
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Like I’ve said time and time again, The Europeans IMO have always been better in Mud, wet sand or basically any condition deemed other. Which is...
Like I’ve said time and time again, The Europeans IMO have always been better in Mud, wet sand or basically any condition deemed other. Which is why I brought up the 87,97 and 98 MxDN as they were right after the two most dominant teams ever to show how little as changed. If in 2021 Red Bud is like 2018 we stand no chance, perhaps Justin Cooper could win his class. If it’s dry, depending on who showed up they would be the favorites. The reason I brought up 2016 is that’s literally the last dry MxDN which is Also why I brought up Hunter and Max as Hunters result was from the 2018 MxDN and Max’s was from 2019 GP season. If you look for it, everyone has beaten everyone.
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keinz wrote:
Stats don't lie The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs. In the 2018, the best AMA...
Stats don't lie
The last two times AMA guys were faced with Euros were in 2018 and 2019, at MXONs.
In the 2018, the best AMA guy was Tomac at Red Bud in the home soil (and no Seeer, Gaiser, Cairoli, Febvre, and Hoff in this race) in the first moto (MXGP+MX2), when he was 4th, and got beat by Prado, who was third on the 250.
In 2019 best AMA guy (2020 champ btw) was Osborne, whos best place in the races was 5th (no Herlings, Gaiser, Febvre, Cairoli, Seewer, and Prado in this race), in race two (MX2+Open)
Park Boys wrote:
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to...
In those conditions Americans get beat. No lie there, one thing to point out is Hunter beat Prado in the final moto to finish second to Glen in that moto at 2018 MXDN the first weekend on that bike. The reason I bring that up is, we hear about Prado beating Tomac but not about Hunter beating Prado and I believe he ran him down at the end of the race. Hunter is not exactly dominating over here. He has one overall. Max won his last moto in the GP’s with a punctured lung. He has had one moto podium here and two top 5 motos in 2 years. Stats can go both ways. Plus 2020 Zac was much better than 2019 Zac. I’m just trying to stir the pot here. When there was GPs in America the Americans had very good results with some bad of course. Take 2016 for example, deep into Americas losing steak and the last year of a “dry” MxDN. Tomac wins all 4 GP motos, he won 3 all year in America. Barcia beats the GP field at Charlotte moto 1 for an American 1-2 with Webb winning the 250 class for an American sweep at a GP and Anderson wins a MxDN moto and was never close to a AMA win at the time then of course gets landed on. What changed since 2016? Wetter MxDNs. It’s far more conditions based than anything. SX has hurt the Americans more in training in “bad” conditions than anything else.
keinz wrote:
That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil And what has changed since 2016? How...
That's why I brought out the results for two consecutive years. And one of them was in American soil
And what has changed since 2016?
How about 5 years, and Jett Lawrence was 12 years old at that timeSmile
Why 2 years, post up charlotte, glen helen. Mxgp results.
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Steve doesnt think so :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518083/s1200_Matthes.jpg[/img]
Steve doesnt think so Laughing


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There’s no way he truly believes that.

How could you?
Hits are coming now at pulp.
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Hits are coming now at pulp.

I just got done riding this at the jammers.

Were basically friends now BobbyM
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Steve doesnt think so :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518083/s1200_Matthes.jpg[/img]
Steve doesnt think so Laughing



You can't tweet your way to citizenship SteveSmile
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Hits are coming now at pulp.
Sandusky26 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/13/518145/s1200_IMG_20211113_130650_1.jpg[/img] I just got done riding this at the jammers. Were basically friends now BobbyM

I just got done riding this at the jammers.

Were basically friends now BobbyM
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The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top...
The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top 3 on MXGP circuit would clean house in Supercross" that'd be ridiculous. Depending on the track, Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis could absolutely win against the top MXGP guys outdoors. The top MXGP guys wouldn't touch those 3 on ANY Supercross track, period.

It's impressive that, essentially, part time motocrossers can and have beaten the best MXGP guys.
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Are you on crack? When JH84 kicked ass at Ironman it didn’t really happen, fake news?
Of course it happened and it was fun to watch. That doesn't negate the fact that the US series has the most skilled riders. If you can win both indoors and outdoors then you have a larger skill set than someone who can just win outdoors. The top Euro guys could definitely learn Supercross and win races but if they split their time like our guys do, their outdoor speed will suffer.

Being shocked that the top MXGP guys could mop the floor with our series on most days is like being shocked that a boxer can beat a mma guy in a boxing match. Again, I think it's impressive to the riders here that they can be competitive the few times they get to race the MXGP guys with the majority of their focus being on an entirely different discipline.
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Full floaters were damn good scooters
Corners really good. Random 75 year old guy pulled up beside me and asked a fellow Suzuki guy to ride his bike.

I felt honored.

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I was conceived at the 87 MXDN in a Buick Grand National.
I want to know what kind of human being downvotes this.
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Fourth_Floor wrote:
The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top...
The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top 3 on MXGP circuit would clean house in Supercross" that'd be ridiculous. Depending on the track, Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis could absolutely win against the top MXGP guys outdoors. The top MXGP guys wouldn't touch those 3 on ANY Supercross track, period.

It's impressive that, essentially, part time motocrossers can and have beaten the best MXGP guys.
You do know 2 of those 3 guys you mention were mxgp guys right?
They came over and were pretty competitive straight away against guys that had been riding sx for years. Aswel as plenty of other mxgp riders that have done the same over the years 🤷‍♂️
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Fourth_Floor wrote:
The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top...
The US series still has the best riders. I don't see how that is even debatable. You can't imagine a thread titled "I think the top 3 on MXGP circuit would clean house in Supercross" that'd be ridiculous. Depending on the track, Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis could absolutely win against the top MXGP guys outdoors. The top MXGP guys wouldn't touch those 3 on ANY Supercross track, period.

It's impressive that, essentially, part time motocrossers can and have beaten the best MXGP guys.
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You do know 2 of those 3 guys you mention were mxgp guys right? They came over and were pretty competitive straight away against guys that...
You do know 2 of those 3 guys you mention were mxgp guys right?
They came over and were pretty competitive straight away against guys that had been riding sx for years. Aswel as plenty of other mxgp riders that have done the same over the years 🤷‍♂️
I'm well aware but they aren't MXGP guys now. They compete in the US series. Don't confuse my post with saying "American's are the best dirt bike riders". That's not what I'm saying.
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Press516 11/13/2021 7:58pm
11/13/2021 7:58pm
SX does dilute the US riders outdoor skill….

But it’s also a simple fact that Tomac’s MXGP career has 6 motos and 1-1 1-1 1-3 finishes…. I think MXGP currently has the edge, but it isn’t a big gap.
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EnvyMedia 11/14/2021 12:29am
11/14/2021 12:29am
Press516 wrote:
SX does dilute the US riders outdoor skill…. But it’s also a simple fact that Tomac’s MXGP career has 6 motos and 1-1 1-1 1-3 finishes...
SX does dilute the US riders outdoor skill….

But it’s also a simple fact that Tomac’s MXGP career has 6 motos and 1-1 1-1 1-3 finishes…. I think MXGP currently has the edge, but it isn’t a big gap.
Yeah I think it’s safe to say and foolish to deny that Tomac was the fastest on a dirt bike around that time together with Roczen (until his injury) across the board. Tomac & Roczen laid absolute waste on everyone in the MX2 & Open moto in Germany MXDN. They had a 50 seconds lead on everyone on a 250. And that last moto in Latvia the following year had Tomac going warp speed.

I think the MXGP guys really stepped their game up after 2018 and both Tomac & Roczen lost a little edge off their outdoor speed. But who knows, maybe Tomac will be insane on that Star bike.
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Finnish_Flash_62 11/14/2021 2:24am
11/14/2021 2:24am
Mugeneco wrote:
Steve doesnt think so :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518083/s1200_Matthes.jpg[/img]
Steve doesnt think so Laughing


I have made rule for myself a long time ago to ALWAYS ignore and scroll past when Steve talks about the GP’s. For some reason I jumped in to this one and it was utterly ridiculous Laughing he also said the next wave of guys after the top 3 in the US would beat the next wave of guys after the top 3 in the GP’s because the points gap from 3rd to 4th in the US is smaller. He also used Roczen beating Herlings in Europe over 10 years ago and Ferrandis ”running with” Herlings (he beat him in one moto in his career) before coming over as arguments to prove his point. Steve is something between a troll and a full vitard when it comes to the GP vs AMA discussion
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