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Brown in the top 10 was rare last season in GPs I think that is why he ;eft, becasue it wasn't fun for him anymore, he was struggling for top 5 in the british series on the 250f.
Brownie is a legend though one of the top outdoor 125.250f riders the US has seen he carried the flag well for the US in the GPs and was a top contender on both sides of the pond he deserves alot of respect for what he has acccomplished British and US MX2 champ. Awesome rider and person!
Wasn't the Lite class awesome though. Everyone loves that AMA versus FIM stuff.
You have to remember, nobody thinks our top three in europe are better than your top three in America, and America is without question the strongest nation when it comes to depth.
The question is, does the AMA MX series have better depth than the MX1 series. I don't think there is too much in it at the moment. Both lack depth, the AMA because of Stewart, Windham and Langston being out and the MX1 because so many leading riders are injured.
Overall, the level is similar. Consider Rattray hadn't raced for eight months and he was on it in that second moto. Look for the GP guys to dominate the Lite class this year. As for the Motocross class, apart from Reed who did one year in europe, I don't see one leading GP rider in that class, and that is where the problem also sits.
You guys need a Coppins, or a De Dycker, or a Strijbos to boost the depth a little.
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If the Des nations was Europe v America the wins would be alot more even too. The Des nations is country v country and American is a huge motocross country it is no surprising you guys win so much. Individually yoiur riders can get beat but by ridiers from 3 different countries so you can still win the title which is fair. but it doesn't mean that individually your riders are better than everyone elses it mean that you have the most depth... and this is true. Europe is not a country though so the US have never beaten Europe at the Des nations,
It is also part of the reason you don't have as many individual world titles as team titles it is easier to come across as a team and win than it is for an American to race individually against the world's best in a full GP series. I bet Dungey would have a harder time beating Rattary et al in a GP series than his own back yard series. Or beating Pourcel in the French nationals. If Pourcel beat Dungey in France would the Americans say Pourcel was better or that it was unfair because it was his home national series? I predict it wouldn't count but if Dungey beats Pourcel in the US nationals Dungey is the best rider in the world?
The GP guys are still capable of running with the top Americans in America and every rider is fastest in theri own country so the US being already World class have that home court advantage... maybe they need it to win?? I will never understand why the GP riders have to go the the US backyard to prove their speed to America, why the can't get the respect for being World Champ and why American riders won't sack up ( with the obvious exceptions of those who have) and race the world's best in a neutral series the World motocross Championship? Do they need home country advantage to win? I don't think the top guys Dungey RV Bubba etc need home country advantage to win but it would be alot fairer to see all the top Americans races the GPs which is a neutral series to see where everyone really stands.
America have fantastic world class riders and the combined series of Supercross and Nationals is awesome and superseeds the Outdoor GPs as a package probably, but individually the GPs are still the most prestigious Outdoor series in the world even though the AMA Nationals are a similar level it is still a National championship... and it the best national championship in the world for sure. Imagine Bubba Cairoli Phillipearts RV all racing the GP no home court advantage for anyone just flat out 16 round racing to see who the nest in the world is...if they all race in the US that is good too but the Americans have the advantage for sure then. Just like Cairoli would if bubba had to come and live there for a year and race Tony.
Americans and the US mx media are mainly just interested in America and this is the problem, they have little knowledge of racing outside it.
I am not a Euro the GPs are not European they are not my series..it is the World Championship as much for America as any other country in the World. My series are the Irish and British. I also love US racing I have seen supercross this year and rode at Glen Helen, US riders are awesome guys eg I like and respect Dungey's ability , and is a classs act, as much as Rattary and Pourcel ( I love watching Pourcel ride tho) none of them are from the UK. Searle is tho so I want him to win it !!
I hate these threads since they bring out the worst from some people (so for, it's rather sober?).
I don't really care where people race, as long as they race togheter. I hope the people on the other side of the fence see the point with the other series. Right now AMA 250 rules for me. Last year it was the MX2.
As for Brownie in the GPs...he had some decent finishes the last few years, I don't think a 7th 0A would be out of the question. It would depend on the track, much the same way it would in the AMA Nationals, and obviously Mike feels really comfortable at Glen Helen!
Coppins stretches podium record with third at Sugo
Race 1 - Laps
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Billy MacKenzie Kawasaki GBR 39'31.947
2 Jonathan Barragan KTM ESP 0'8.939
3 Joshua Coppins Yamaha NZL 0'13.608
4 David Philippaerts KTM ITA 0'27.369
5 Mike Brown Honda USA 0'31.616
6 Ken De Dycker Honda BEL 0'40.288
7 Sébastien Pourcel Kawasaki FRA 0'42.846
8 Yoshitaka Atsuta Honda JPN 0'43.191
9 Steve Ramon Suzuki BEL 0'46.266
10 James Noble Honda GBR 1'1.475
11 Manuel Priem TM BEL 1'5.560
12 Kevin Strijbos Suzuki BEL 1'9.411
13 Kazamusa Masuda Honda JPN 1'48.276
14 Kornel Nemeth Suzuki HUN 1'49.305
15 Maximilian Nagl KTM GER 1'51.752
16 Danny Theybers Suzuki BEL 2'5.433
17 Scott Columb Suzuki NZL -1 Laps
18 Gordon Crockard Honda IRL -1 Laps
19 Kohij Ohkawara Yamaha JPN -1 Laps
Race 2 - Laps
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Mike Brown Honda USA 40'20.363
2 Billy MacKenzie Kawasaki GBR 0'3.066
3 Joshua Coppins Yamaha NZL 0'7.996
4 Steve Ramon Suzuki BEL 0'27.232
5 Yoshitaka Atsuta Honda JPN 0'9.033
6 David Philippaerts KTM ITA 0'40.274
7 Tanel Leok Kawasaki EST 0'48.099
8 James Noble Honda GBR 0'53.372
9 Manuel Priem TM BEL 1'6.877
10 Kevin Strijbos Suzuki BEL 1'8.637
11 Sébastien Pourcel Kawasaki FRA 1'45.054
12 Maximilian Nagl KTM GER 1'54.087
13 Danny Theybers Suzuki BEL 2'3.623
14 Kornel Nemeth Suzuki HUN -1 Laps
15 Kuraudo Toda Suzuki JPN -1 Laps
16 Gordon Crockard Honda IRL -1 Laps
17 Akira Narita Yamaha JPN -1 Laps
18 Kohij Ohkawara Yamaha JPN -1 Laps
19 Thomas Allier Kawasaki FRA -1 Laps
20 Scott Columb Suzuki NZL -1 Laps
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The one major factor that proves the GP's have nothing on AMA series is the fact that a lowly NATIONAL series is compared to, and debateably better than, the supposed WORLD championship (which may as well change it's name to European Championship, since they very rarely-if ever-leave Europe).
The fact that a national championship can even be compared to a world championship proves that the world championship is nothing, as a true world championship would be heads and shoulders above ANY national championship in the world in both prestige, money, media coverage, number of top riders, factory support, fan interest etc. But the GP's don't have that. Therefore they aren't what many in Europe would like them to be, for the simple fact that a lowly national championship beats them in Money, factory support, rider talent, fan interest and prestige.
I'm just saying, lets call a spade a spade. no matter how often Mccread insists that the GP's are better just because it's a WORLD (European) championship doesn't make it so. If it was the best, there wouldn't be any national titles in the world that could compare.
And Titan, the GP series has regularly visited countries outside of Europe; Japan, South Africa, Brazil, Australia for example (they were due to go to Brazil, USA and South Africa this season). Other than America and possibly Canada, what other countries should they go to in your opinion? Mongolia perhaps? Tanzania? Afghanistan? I heard they ALL love MX in Sri Lanka!
Pit Row
The FIM should call the GP's what they, a European championship, and then cancel the ONE round outside of Europe (the economy sucks, the teams could stand to save the money).
It's BS they have one race a year (out of 16) outside of Europe and then call themselves a world championship.
DUMB!
The GP's aren't a WORLD championship. They are a European Championship. Lets just start calling it what it is.
When they hit up America, Canada, Japan, Australia, Russia, South Africa, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand and any other non-European country that has a legitimate national championship, and when the majority of the races aren't in Europe-hell, when a quarter of the races aren't in Europe-THEN they can call themselves a "world championship".
Going from Country to Country in Europe (Well Western Europe anyway) is like going from State to State here...(people commute from France to Switzerland to work every day for hell's sake)...
World Championship...pffft...
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