Just watched moto spy from last week..

TbonesPop 2/21/2020 2:07pm
2/21/2020 2:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2020 2:09pm
logan_140 wrote:
Jesus Christ the tld ktm team seems toxic as fuck. What could help turn that team around? New manager?
TbonesPop wrote:
An organization becomes a direct reflection of its leadership over time. And it is and has been toxic for a while. I rarely have inside exposure...
An organization becomes a direct reflection of its leadership over time. And it is and has been toxic for a while. I rarely have inside exposure to things in the industry, but that is one situation where I have some direct connections (or had).
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Omitting names, tell us what you know? Id think Roger would step in if he thought things were not right. Roger knows how to run a...
Omitting names, tell us what you know? Id think Roger would step in if he thought things were not right. Roger knows how to run a team & manage people.
So I'm friends with someone formerly on the team (I have first hand knowledge, bringing it to you second hand from me). I'm not saying who they are for obvious reasons. I was told its just not a positive working environment and the team manager was the main reason in his opinion. Some other things were said specifically about the team manager, but I won't mention that - its not necessary. This person is much happier on his new team. That's what I know first hand. The way it was described to me is almost exactly what it was portrayed on the show. Take that FWIW.

Now, here's my person "opinion". I'm a small business owner now but I have worked for large corporations in the past where I gained valuable experience. I started at the bottom and worked my way up to upper/middle management and then left (I can't stand corporate executive management crap). I have been trained in how to manage people professionally - motivation, coaching, personal development, etc. Situational leadership 101 stuff. I think the leadership of that team either needs a face lift or needs to go to some professional coaching clinics on how to best deal with people. The long and short of it is - everybody is motivated/wired differently. You don't treat a seasoned/experienced person the way you treat an inexperienced rookie. The best coaches (or managers) recognize the strengths and weakness of their employees, and caters to their specific needs to help them grow and develop.

Know your people, know the situation, and adapt your leadership based on each situation. Leader, manager, teacher, doer. D1 through D4 players, treat them all differently. The way you treat say a Shane McElrath versus a Derek Drake is very different, same goes for the way someone should treat Brandon.

All that said, I don't know that it is fair to 100% fully blame TK, its not like the MX industry is the epitome of professional development. I am also of the belief that there's still no scenario where being a complete asshole is acceptable either.
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CASH476 2/21/2020 4:19pm
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Here's another perspective. Maybe the whole team was standing around watching a rider put in about 70% effort and the boss called him out on it. Could be that the rider was being a douche, wasting everyone's time and old mate was having a winge instead of giving him a proper spray like he deserved.
mattyhamz2 2/21/2020 4:49pm
2/21/2020 4:49pm
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I can't remember if it was the first Moto Spy or if it was the SX Preshow, but TK came across as a complete douche about...
I can't remember if it was the first Moto Spy or if it was the SX Preshow, but TK came across as a complete douche about the entire McElrath situation. I get being upset for a little while, but let it go. He came across as completely butthurt still because McElrath left and said the bike wasn't good enough to win.
Zaugg wrote:
Or this speaks to the level of passion that TK has for the team and his riders as he thinks of them as family. The guy...
Or this speaks to the level of passion that TK has for the team and his riders as he thinks of them as family.

The guy was mentioned in the Moreau update on RX as being with the kid all the time since his injury not to mention what he did to support Jesse after his injury.

Yeah...sounds like a real douche.





Notice I said, “about the McElrath situation.”

I never said he was actually a douche 100% of the time. And I think that is absolutely amazing that he’s been with Brian since his crash. I don’t think most team managers would do that outside of a small handful.
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Zaugg 2/21/2020 5:15pm
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I think you guys seeing TK's behavior as negative need to look at that video thru the lens of a TM. I didn't see a guy being a douche. I saw a TM that cares about his rider and his rider's performance.

Sometime that meant calling him out, other times encouraging him, while other times, looking outside himself for other opinions to find the best solution for the rider. These are kids, not seasoned riders. The seasoned riders are in the 450 class. You're getting a behind the curtain look at the reality of racing.

Watch it again thru the eyes of a team manager.





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mattyhamz2 2/21/2020 5:26pm
2/21/2020 5:26pm
Zaugg wrote:
I think you guys seeing TK's behavior as negative need to look at that video thru the lens of a TM. I didn't see a guy...
I think you guys seeing TK's behavior as negative need to look at that video thru the lens of a TM. I didn't see a guy being a douche. I saw a TM that cares about his rider and his rider's performance.

Sometime that meant calling him out, other times encouraging him, while other times, looking outside himself for other opinions to find the best solution for the rider. These are kids, not seasoned riders. The seasoned riders are in the 450 class. You're getting a behind the curtain look at the reality of racing.

Watch it again thru the eyes of a team manager.





When I watched it earlier, I waited until the video was over to make any judgement. I can see how people jump to the conclusion that it was douchey in the moment, but if they watched the entire video they’d see how he went and talked calmly to Brandon. I’ve had those same conversations with my dad on practice and race days when my head just wasn’t in it. We all have those days here and there.
TbonesPop 2/21/2020 5:47pm
2/21/2020 5:47pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2020 5:49pm
I'll stand by what my friend told me first hand, which pretty much aligns perfectly with what another rider has said publicly. If it waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a duck. Had it been a one off comment from just one person, I'd likely think differently. When multiple people say the exact same thing, then video comes out of the person being exactly the way he was described by two other people prior to the video, then I tend to believe it.
mikeyairtime 2/22/2020 8:59pm
2/22/2020 8:59pm
Lets look at the results...D'oh! Effective management requires respectability. I see a freaker talking mad loud shit making sure everyone around hears like a bad reality show. Toxic is a gross understatement, more of a hostage crisis.
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crockett 2/24/2020 9:14am
2/24/2020 9:14am
Doesn’t TK have family ties to that team?
If he weren’t family, would he still have the job based on performance? Probably not.
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