Would You Rather...NBCSN

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Live racing has coverage and announcing mistakes. Like racing where you have different levels of talent, there are good production teams and great production teams. Supercross just isn't at the level where we can afford "great production teams".

Because this forum is filled with announcing and production experts that can do nothing but complain (instead of enjoy the gift of racing) here are your choices.

Would you rather:

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Have you ever watched MotoGP coverage? 3 days of live, near-perfect coverage/announcing/camera work.

Don't settle, keep pushing forward.
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Doddy 2/1/2020 9:26pm
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If the production(that most of us pay for) didn't suck shit, it wouldn't get the feedback it deserves. People are complaining over valid reasons. SX is absolutely without a doubt the worse commentary of any sports broadcast I have ever seen..
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Zaugg 2/1/2020 9:46pm
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early wrote:
Have you ever watched MotoGP coverage? 3 days of live, near-perfect coverage/announcing/camera work.

Don't settle, keep pushing forward.
Agreed...and there's exponentially more money in MotoGP. I'm not suggesting they not try to improve. I'm suggesting that people take it down a notch.
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Zaugg 2/1/2020 9:53pm
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If the production(that most of us pay for) didn't suck shit, it wouldn't get the feedback it deserves. People are complaining over valid reasons. SX is...
If the production(that most of us pay for) didn't suck shit, it wouldn't get the feedback it deserves. People are complaining over valid reasons. SX is absolutely without a doubt the worse commentary of any sports broadcast I have ever seen..
Some of the reasons are valid...the hate for the announcers is uncalled for because it's based on person preference. Like whether or not you like spicy food.

In a constructive way, what could be done in your opinion to make the commentary better? (Keep in mind we had Leigh Diffey in the booth and people complained about him.)

I would argue this is more a short coming of the production staff then the guys in front of the cameras.

Also...keep in mind I'm not suggesting the broadcasts are perfect. I'm suggesting that people seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the announcers and need to let it go. haha.

The production...yeah...I can see where people might get upset. I have the Gold app as well and I even found myself a little put off when the broadcast focused on replays instead of the the first few laps of the 450 main. That being said, the racing was awesome and I got over pretty quick.

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jeffro503 2/1/2020 9:58pm
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early wrote:
Have you ever watched MotoGP coverage? 3 days of live, near-perfect coverage/announcing/camera work.

Don't settle, keep pushing forward.
I'd say this nailed it. And Paul Malin ( in MXGP , not Moto GP ) 99% of the time , doesn't even need another person in the booth with him. Besides that , their video feed has no issues what so ever.....it's usually flawless. These past few weeks watching RDL has been kinda stupid , and the night show , although good , could be so much better with different camera angles AND............actually discussing what the EFF....is going on , on the track during the race! Instead of some stupid back story , that nobody gives a shit about! We are here for the race!
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early wrote:
Have you ever watched MotoGP coverage? 3 days of live, near-perfect coverage/announcing/camera work.

Don't settle, keep pushing forward.
Zaugg wrote:
Agreed...and there's exponentially more money in MotoGP. I'm not suggesting they not try to improve. I'm suggesting that people take it down a notch.
It shouldn't cost anymore to get announcers that know every in and out of the sport they are representing, just like MotoGP has. Hi frame rate slo-mo is not needed, focus on the cheap and easy stuff. There was some bad luck tonight where they went to action further back and missed some passes. That's not as big of a deal as long as they are showing something happening in real-time on the track.
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Doddy 2/2/2020 12:54am
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Zaugg wrote:
Some of the reasons are valid...the hate for the announcers is uncalled for because it's based on person preference. Like whether or not you like spicy...
Some of the reasons are valid...the hate for the announcers is uncalled for because it's based on person preference. Like whether or not you like spicy food.

In a constructive way, what could be done in your opinion to make the commentary better? (Keep in mind we had Leigh Diffey in the booth and people complained about him.)

I would argue this is more a short coming of the production staff then the guys in front of the cameras.

Also...keep in mind I'm not suggesting the broadcasts are perfect. I'm suggesting that people seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the announcers and need to let it go. haha.

The production...yeah...I can see where people might get upset. I have the Gold app as well and I even found myself a little put off when the broadcast focused on replays instead of the the first few laps of the 450 main. That being said, the racing was awesome and I got over pretty quick.
There is a lot, but one that gets me is simply announcing what is currently going on. Tell us what is going on currently/live, not what Tomac had for breakfast 3 days before his last race last week while 3 guys fight for the lead.. Real time whats going on. Not these cut aways with back stories of shit we don't care about(during a live race). The red bike, blue bike shit is beyond old too.

Listen to any other sport. ANY. I dare you to find something worse. They talk to us like we are idiots.
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cwel11 2/2/2020 4:21am
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The most frustrating part of the broadcast “problems” is they’re stupid easy to fix. 1. Don’t show replays full screen (or at all) DURING A RACE! There’s more than enough time after the checkered flag. 2. If the top two, three, whatever riders are with a second of each other at the front do not show the guy in fifth by himself for five minutes complete with an interview about his favorite football team. 3. Send Ralph on his way. Period. If for some reason you can’t do that, ban him from track walk or conversing with any professional athlete. You don’t have to reinvent the wheel, just fix the flat.
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Zaugg 2/2/2020 6:52am
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I'd say this nailed it. And Paul Malin ( in MXGP , not Moto GP ) 99% of the time , doesn't even need another person...
I'd say this nailed it. And Paul Malin ( in MXGP , not Moto GP ) 99% of the time , doesn't even need another person in the booth with him. Besides that , their video feed has no issues what so ever.....it's usually flawless. These past few weeks watching RDL has been kinda stupid , and the night show , although good , could be so much better with different camera angles AND............actually discussing what the EFF....is going on , on the track during the race! Instead of some stupid back story , that nobody gives a shit about! We are here for the race!
Solid point and you're totally right. Malin is the exception not the rule - dude is at the top of his game for sure. Listen, I would prefer Leigh or Weege in the booth but that's not gonna happen. Feld and NBCSN will only pay for announcers they can afford or want. Why they don't pick Weege is probably political or something.

As far as the camera coverage, MXGP is HORRIBLE they miss action all the time. I can also point out examples when they spend too much time in the wrong spot, shakey cameras, pathetic slow-mo, or have a camera shot on Cairoli's wife. Without Malin, MXGP looks like a live feed from a regional race compared to MotoGP and F1. haha

It does prove the point the announcer helps make the production. So does the production team. I think we all agree that Ralph isn't ideal but it's better than having no live racing.

I get everyone's point and I'm not the president of the Ralph Sheheen fan club. Keep in mind that most of what you're hearing is directed from the production crew, not Ralph. They're telling him to inject the stupid info he gets from track walk. Daniel used to be awesome, now he's doing what he's told and he's lost a little energy. As far as RDL - yeah, that's like a high school production. I suffer thru MXGP coverage, missing the action, shitty leaderboard crawl, and yet I'm still stoked because at least I get to watch it. (Don't get me started on how unprofessional the track branding looks compared to other sports.)

Do we deserve better coverage? No...we don't but it would be nice. We're complaining about some serious first world problem shit here. We're not spoiled children. You want them to get rid of Ralph. Stop watching the program. When they see the rating go down, then you'll see some big changes. Problem is, I'm not gonna stop watching because I want to watch the races.

I'm just trying to get people to enjoy what they have and stop complaining about the shit they don't like. Stop mining for things to be upset about and just enjoy the racing. Last night was awesome. I think everyone should focus on that.
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Zaugg wrote:
Live racing has coverage and announcing mistakes. Like racing where you have different levels of talent, there are good production teams and great production teams. Supercross...
Live racing has coverage and announcing mistakes. Like racing where you have different levels of talent, there are good production teams and great production teams. Supercross just isn't at the level where we can afford "great production teams".

Because this forum is filled with announcing and production experts that can do nothing but complain (instead of enjoy the gift of racing) here are your choices.
you forgot "watch the races live without hiding them behind a 2nd paywall beyond the cable/satellite package (ie GOLD) like they used to be on SPEED and other superior racing networks."

This network puts motocross at the bottom of the list, they showed some nonsense college basketball game over the racing, that shows you where their priorities are. I'm no production expert, but all I have seen in the coverage of this sport has been regression and greed, when technology should be making things cheaper and easier than ever. It's going backwards is the problem.

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