1998 KX build for Le Touquet

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I hope all goes to plan this weekend dude Smile
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How did things go??? It looked cold and tough...
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Sidecar wrote:
How did things go??? It looked cold and tough...
It went really well, beautiful day not too cold.
Bike was ripping good.
Unfortunately I had to quit in 5th lap. One of the bolts on the cylinder left with the thingy it's supposed to be torqued to...
And realized in the first lap that the gearbox wasn't new ??
But hey great race, I can't wait for next year. Need to train more and get suspensions dialed for heavy heavy sand
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Knew Watson was going to win, he's so clean and tidy on the bike it's ridiculous.
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Awesome. Bike would power through the sand.. nice strong midrange pull
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Awesome... I didn’t make it over but I did watch all 3 hours on TV... it looked so good... I would love to race it. You now have a good platform to build on for next year, iron out the kinks and aim for a finish next year... you should look into coming over to Weston Super Mare in October to give our biggest beach race a go, it’s much like Le Touquet with around 1000 bikes in Sunday’s main race.

Nathan Watson is on his way to big things, he and his brother, MX2 GP racer Ben have a lot of talent for sure...
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All I know is the race looked brutal, major props for even attempting it, let alone making it 5 laps.
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Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage.

However, vintage bikes and enduro do not go together. They are in fact, opposites.

For offroad racing, train, ride, test, fix bike and repeat many times before race. The KX is not the best platform for that cycle. Get a new bike. I know that's not as cool, but it's the best way to experience an offroad race and finish your best or give yourself the best chance to finish.
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Thanks guys what a great weekend!!!

Everything was fantastic until i hit the beach... suspensions were off, didn't expect the sand to be that heavy.
don't know if its the geometry or suspensions but the rear was all over the shop. And i need to redo the gearing, i hit false neutral a couple of times it was dangerous.
Engine worked a treat until lap 5 where i had to quit. foursome reason previous owner re welded one the things that holds the cylinder head...once that was gone i was smoking like crazy... didn't want to kill it in that race.
You live and you learn, a lot of people are telling me to get a new bike but that defeats the purpose, this year i could've gone 6 laps easy with a bike all over the shop. i think next year i can aim for 7-8.

what to do: -repair engine and acquire a back up one
- train more than twice before race
-get a longer swingarm
-get my suspensions dialed in.

can't wait for next year.. two stroke ain't dead! i was way more mobile in the slow stuff and wasn't that much slower on straights
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YZed250 wrote:
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage. However, vintage bikes and enduro do not...
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage.

However, vintage bikes and enduro do not go together. They are in fact, opposites.

For offroad racing, train, ride, test, fix bike and repeat many times before race. The KX is not the best platform for that cycle. Get a new bike. I know that's not as cool, but it's the best way to experience an offroad race and finish your best or give yourself the best chance to finish.
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next season.
Gasgas used that frame until recently and was never too far from Ktm in terms of performance.
Ktm went with longer swingarms and more offset in 09 if not mistaken. I don't see any major improvements on bikes appart from electric starter for that kind of racing.
Demeester finished 5th on a Sherco 2stroke 300 while being retired.
It is different riding but once the track is bumpy it becomes an advantage. I mean I'm not trying to win it but to have fun and do decently.
I'd love to hear what everyone has to say.
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Awesome... I didn’t make it over but I did watch all 3 hours on TV... it looked so good... I would love to race it. You...
Awesome... I didn’t make it over but I did watch all 3 hours on TV... it looked so good... I would love to race it. You now have a good platform to build on for next year, iron out the kinks and aim for a finish next year... you should look into coming over to Weston Super Mare in October to give our biggest beach race a go, it’s much like Le Touquet with around 1000 bikes in Sunday’s main race.

Nathan Watson is on his way to big things, he and his brother, MX2 GP racer Ben have a lot of talent for sure...
Looking at the budget now, might do a few races next year... You only live once. Hopefully they don't put any other sand races on the same day... They always do it for some reason ?
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YZed250 wrote:
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage. However, vintage bikes and enduro do not...
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage.

However, vintage bikes and enduro do not go together. They are in fact, opposites.

For offroad racing, train, ride, test, fix bike and repeat many times before race. The KX is not the best platform for that cycle. Get a new bike. I know that's not as cool, but it's the best way to experience an offroad race and finish your best or give yourself the best chance to finish.
H9 wrote:
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next...
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next season.
Gasgas used that frame until recently and was never too far from Ktm in terms of performance.
Ktm went with longer swingarms and more offset in 09 if not mistaken. I don't see any major improvements on bikes appart from electric starter for that kind of racing.
Demeester finished 5th on a Sherco 2stroke 300 while being retired.
It is different riding but once the track is bumpy it becomes an advantage. I mean I'm not trying to win it but to have fun and do decently.
I'd love to hear what everyone has to say.
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike.
My foundation for my argument is 20 years racing off-road. As one example, I recently went from a 2013 KTM to a 2017 KTM and one generation change is a gigantic improvement in comfort and speed. Before that, I had a 2006 YZ125 that I rebuilt from the ground up. I rode it back to back with my 2013 KTM and again, the gap was gigantic.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy my YZ, in fact if I rode it at the track by itself, I would adapt and it was adequate to carry me around. I can't start to imagine what 20 years of development has done.

All due respect to the 1998 KX250 … one thing that hasn't changed that much is the total power output of the 250 2-stroke. From when I rode one, I recall that this is a strong low-mid power, with some okay top. That power is also adequate.

Second to this is the fact that you already raced it once and it broke. That will happen again, either in training, and/or at the race. The amount of failures at the track and amount of time you spend in the garage will severly impact your ability to train off the bike and put in laps during your practice sessions. You're from Europe, and they have a short riding season. Not much time to waste. The KX250 was a 5speed MX transmission, add in 14/47 gearing and heavy sand in a technical section of the race and the bike will boil over and the clutch will fry.

Between now and when you race, you're going to extend the swingarm by 3cm? What do you think that will do to the spring rate and valving of the shock? Yes, you will probably spend another few hundred re-engineering a 20 year old shock absorber.

I would suggest any low hour 250 or 300 EXC or even a 250SX if you are not able to afford a good six-speed. I have used all of these bikes and I know they are a big improvement over a KX250 for what you have in mind. The more diffi cult the race, the more you will come to realize what I mean.

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Yeah but the respect is massive when racing a bike that was loved by all in the day. It makes him the underdog and crowd favourite
In time if he irons out what’s needed it can be bulletproof
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Jrewing wrote:
Yeah but the respect is massive when racing a bike that was loved by all in the day. It makes him the underdog and crowd favourite...
Yeah but the respect is massive when racing a bike that was loved by all in the day. It makes him the underdog and crowd favourite
In time if he irons out what’s needed it can be bulletproof
That's not why I race, but that might be enough for the OP.

I'm not there for anyone but myself and to know that I did my best. I can't give my best if I'm stuck on the side of the track with steam pouring out of my radiator and a clutch that's slipping to the moon.
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Bravo. Awesome bike and thank you for sharing an amazing experience !
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YZed250 wrote:
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage. However, vintage bikes and enduro do not...
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage.

However, vintage bikes and enduro do not go together. They are in fact, opposites.

For offroad racing, train, ride, test, fix bike and repeat many times before race. The KX is not the best platform for that cycle. Get a new bike. I know that's not as cool, but it's the best way to experience an offroad race and finish your best or give yourself the best chance to finish.
H9 wrote:
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next...
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next season.
Gasgas used that frame until recently and was never too far from Ktm in terms of performance.
Ktm went with longer swingarms and more offset in 09 if not mistaken. I don't see any major improvements on bikes appart from electric starter for that kind of racing.
Demeester finished 5th on a Sherco 2stroke 300 while being retired.
It is different riding but once the track is bumpy it becomes an advantage. I mean I'm not trying to win it but to have fun and do decently.
I'd love to hear what everyone has to say.
YZed250 wrote:
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike. My foundation for my argument is...
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike.
My foundation for my argument is 20 years racing off-road. As one example, I recently went from a 2013 KTM to a 2017 KTM and one generation change is a gigantic improvement in comfort and speed. Before that, I had a 2006 YZ125 that I rebuilt from the ground up. I rode it back to back with my 2013 KTM and again, the gap was gigantic.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy my YZ, in fact if I rode it at the track by itself, I would adapt and it was adequate to carry me around. I can't start to imagine what 20 years of development has done.

All due respect to the 1998 KX250 … one thing that hasn't changed that much is the total power output of the 250 2-stroke. From when I rode one, I recall that this is a strong low-mid power, with some okay top. That power is also adequate.

Second to this is the fact that you already raced it once and it broke. That will happen again, either in training, and/or at the race. The amount of failures at the track and amount of time you spend in the garage will severly impact your ability to train off the bike and put in laps during your practice sessions. You're from Europe, and they have a short riding season. Not much time to waste. The KX250 was a 5speed MX transmission, add in 14/47 gearing and heavy sand in a technical section of the race and the bike will boil over and the clutch will fry.

Between now and when you race, you're going to extend the swingarm by 3cm? What do you think that will do to the spring rate and valving of the shock? Yes, you will probably spend another few hundred re-engineering a 20 year old shock absorber.

I would suggest any low hour 250 or 300 EXC or even a 250SX if you are not able to afford a good six-speed. I have used all of these bikes and I know they are a big improvement over a KX250 for what you have in mind. The more diffi cult the race, the more you will come to realize what I mean.

I could never see a man recommend selling a Kawie to switch to a KTM... I’d rather pack it all in than be another orange riding face in the crowd... stick with the KX, it’s a rad bike, iron out the kinks and every orange bike you beat is a little victory in its self...
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YZed250 wrote:
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage. However, vintage bikes and enduro do not...
Awesome effort on making to the start line and round five laps! I love offroad racing, and restored vintage.

However, vintage bikes and enduro do not go together. They are in fact, opposites.

For offroad racing, train, ride, test, fix bike and repeat many times before race. The KX is not the best platform for that cycle. Get a new bike. I know that's not as cool, but it's the best way to experience an offroad race and finish your best or give yourself the best chance to finish.
H9 wrote:
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next...
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next season.
Gasgas used that frame until recently and was never too far from Ktm in terms of performance.
Ktm went with longer swingarms and more offset in 09 if not mistaken. I don't see any major improvements on bikes appart from electric starter for that kind of racing.
Demeester finished 5th on a Sherco 2stroke 300 while being retired.
It is different riding but once the track is bumpy it becomes an advantage. I mean I'm not trying to win it but to have fun and do decently.
I'd love to hear what everyone has to say.
YZed250 wrote:
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike. My foundation for my argument is...
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike.
My foundation for my argument is 20 years racing off-road. As one example, I recently went from a 2013 KTM to a 2017 KTM and one generation change is a gigantic improvement in comfort and speed. Before that, I had a 2006 YZ125 that I rebuilt from the ground up. I rode it back to back with my 2013 KTM and again, the gap was gigantic.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy my YZ, in fact if I rode it at the track by itself, I would adapt and it was adequate to carry me around. I can't start to imagine what 20 years of development has done.

All due respect to the 1998 KX250 … one thing that hasn't changed that much is the total power output of the 250 2-stroke. From when I rode one, I recall that this is a strong low-mid power, with some okay top. That power is also adequate.

Second to this is the fact that you already raced it once and it broke. That will happen again, either in training, and/or at the race. The amount of failures at the track and amount of time you spend in the garage will severly impact your ability to train off the bike and put in laps during your practice sessions. You're from Europe, and they have a short riding season. Not much time to waste. The KX250 was a 5speed MX transmission, add in 14/47 gearing and heavy sand in a technical section of the race and the bike will boil over and the clutch will fry.

Between now and when you race, you're going to extend the swingarm by 3cm? What do you think that will do to the spring rate and valving of the shock? Yes, you will probably spend another few hundred re-engineering a 20 year old shock absorber.

I would suggest any low hour 250 or 300 EXC or even a 250SX if you are not able to afford a good six-speed. I have used all of these bikes and I know they are a big improvement over a KX250 for what you have in mind. The more diffi cult the race, the more you will come to realize what I mean.

Wow I agree with what you wrote. Thanks for taking the time. Makes me realize how unprepared I was in regards to testing and suspensions work. I can tell that you have some bike preparation behind you, it's great for a newbie like me to have such input because most of the problems I encountered are in there. On my end, I don't really do it to give my best performance. I ride purely for fun, having a good time with a sentimental bike. Those bikes are so cheap, just got a spare motor for 400 euros, that also the building project makes it part of the deal for me in terms of happiness.
I see all the teams developing the bikes for sand, it takes them many hours to get it right. I clearly need to rethink the whole thing. The only thing I'm scared of is facing the limits of the bike in the Sand in terms of stability.
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Jrewing wrote:
Yeah but the respect is massive when racing a bike that was loved by all in the day. It makes him the underdog and crowd favourite...
Yeah but the respect is massive when racing a bike that was loved by all in the day. It makes him the underdog and crowd favourite
In time if he irons out what’s needed it can be bulletproof
I honestly think it can be bulletproof just need to put more effort. Bike had so many enthusiasts happy, made my day!
But passing a few spanking new 450's too ??
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Bruce372 wrote:
Bravo. Awesome bike and thank you for sharing an amazing experience !
Thanks a lot and no worries, makes me happy to share with you.
Hopefully we can get things going better in the future thanks to everyone that participated in here
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Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next...
Hey YZed250, what are some arguments of saying the bike isn't good enough? I'd just like to hear them as I'm drawing the budgets for next season.
Gasgas used that frame until recently and was never too far from Ktm in terms of performance.
Ktm went with longer swingarms and more offset in 09 if not mistaken. I don't see any major improvements on bikes appart from electric starter for that kind of racing.
Demeester finished 5th on a Sherco 2stroke 300 while being retired.
It is different riding but once the track is bumpy it becomes an advantage. I mean I'm not trying to win it but to have fun and do decently.
I'd love to hear what everyone has to say.
YZed250 wrote:
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike. My foundation for my argument is...
It's not that it's not good enough, but if you want to do your best, you need a better bike.
My foundation for my argument is 20 years racing off-road. As one example, I recently went from a 2013 KTM to a 2017 KTM and one generation change is a gigantic improvement in comfort and speed. Before that, I had a 2006 YZ125 that I rebuilt from the ground up. I rode it back to back with my 2013 KTM and again, the gap was gigantic.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy my YZ, in fact if I rode it at the track by itself, I would adapt and it was adequate to carry me around. I can't start to imagine what 20 years of development has done.

All due respect to the 1998 KX250 … one thing that hasn't changed that much is the total power output of the 250 2-stroke. From when I rode one, I recall that this is a strong low-mid power, with some okay top. That power is also adequate.

Second to this is the fact that you already raced it once and it broke. That will happen again, either in training, and/or at the race. The amount of failures at the track and amount of time you spend in the garage will severly impact your ability to train off the bike and put in laps during your practice sessions. You're from Europe, and they have a short riding season. Not much time to waste. The KX250 was a 5speed MX transmission, add in 14/47 gearing and heavy sand in a technical section of the race and the bike will boil over and the clutch will fry.

Between now and when you race, you're going to extend the swingarm by 3cm? What do you think that will do to the spring rate and valving of the shock? Yes, you will probably spend another few hundred re-engineering a 20 year old shock absorber.

I would suggest any low hour 250 or 300 EXC or even a 250SX if you are not able to afford a good six-speed. I have used all of these bikes and I know they are a big improvement over a KX250 for what you have in mind. The more diffi cult the race, the more you will come to realize what I mean.

Sidecar wrote:
I could never see a man recommend selling a Kawie to switch to a KTM... I’d rather pack it all in than be another orange riding...
I could never see a man recommend selling a Kawie to switch to a KTM... I’d rather pack it all in than be another orange riding face in the crowd... stick with the KX, it’s a rad bike, iron out the kinks and every orange bike you beat is a little victory in its self...
It is a little victory in itself innit... ??
Honestly the Ktms, Husqvarnas look fabulous. It would be so much less hassle to go and buy one. I really see how well equipped they are, options that are available etc.
But then I like being the only kx 250 left out there really enjoyable feeling. For me that's the spirit of being a biker, whatever you ride as long as you are loving it.
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Hey guys have you seen the Emig/Carmichael podcast online? So basically kx 250 1998 is butter and Carmichael raced that frame until 01. This is the...
Hey guys have you seen the Emig/Carmichael podcast online? So basically kx 250 1998 is butter and Carmichael raced that frame until 01. This is the short version but long one is more detailed.
https://www.facebook.com/118236241520605/videos/417958505443280/
I'd love a clean 98 to come around.
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Anyone knows what I need exactly parts wise to make a wide ratio transmission. Saw that I need 5th gear from a 03.
Does it Fit straight up?
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Are you running a Bud Racing Carbon silencer? If so, how do you like it?
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Are you running a Bud Racing Carbon silencer? If so, how do you like it?
Yes it works well and of good quality. Don't know how it will last in time but so far perfect ?
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A few KX in Weston this weekend 😍😍

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