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Broseph 5/6/2019 7:50pm
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milliebays wrote:
im more referring to the materials and construction than the tech. there aren't many *cast* aluminum parts on a good MTB, if any. get back to...
im more referring to the materials and construction than the tech.

there aren't many *cast* aluminum parts on a good MTB, if any.

get back to me when motocross bikes are using EPS or RTM carbon for the mainframes.
There are no cast components in bicycles because volumes are non existent. Also, the industry is driven by fad and fashion so expensive tooling doesn’t make sense. If dirt bikes used the same tech as bicycles, we’d have to throw them away and buy a new one every year.
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5/6/2019 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2019 8:11pm
milliebays wrote:
im more referring to the materials and construction than the tech. there aren't many *cast* aluminum parts on a good MTB, if any. get back to...
im more referring to the materials and construction than the tech.

there aren't many *cast* aluminum parts on a good MTB, if any.

get back to me when motocross bikes are using EPS or RTM carbon for the mainframes.
Broseph wrote:
There are no cast components in bicycles because volumes are non existent. Also, the industry is driven by fad and fashion so expensive tooling doesn’t make...
There are no cast components in bicycles because volumes are non existent. Also, the industry is driven by fad and fashion so expensive tooling doesn’t make sense. If dirt bikes used the same tech as bicycles, we’d have to throw them away and buy a new one every year.
there are no cast parts because the s/w creates either a heavy bike or a liability.

product design lifecycles are 4+ years for all major components, including frames.

folks on average keep their bikes about the same amount of time as motocrossers and put considerably more hours on them during that time with little more than chains, seals, tires, rotors, and pads as wear items.
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milliebays 5/6/2019 8:11pm
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GuyB wrote:
I generally do a lot of mountain biking during the summer when I'm traveling around the National circuit. I think I have a Giant eMTB lined...
I generally do a lot of mountain biking during the summer when I'm traveling around the National circuit. I think I have a Giant eMTB lined up for the upcoming season, and it'll be interesting to see people's reactions to it. Because they're motorized, they're not welcome everywhere that regular MTBs are.

I was around during the formative years of MTBs, and there were (and still are) issues with trail access to wheeled vehicles. The electric power adds another dimension to that.

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Everyone complains about them until they ride one...Ebikes are the future. Ebikes allows out of shape people to enjoy the same trails they used to ride...
Everyone complains about them until they ride one...Ebikes are the future. Ebikes allows out of shape people to enjoy the same trails they used to ride before they started working 80 hours a week and didn't have a mortgage and kids....Ebikes also allow in shape MTB'ers to go twice as far as they normally ride.

not all change is progress.

i rode one, had a blast, and immediately emailed the private trail stewards to tell them the closing speeds would be too high on this two-way trail for safe operation. if you know what you're doing, they feel like a KDX200 in the woods.

on a busy saturday, you pass people by the handful.
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Broseph 5/6/2019 8:19pm
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milliebays wrote:
im more referring to the materials and construction than the tech. there aren't many *cast* aluminum parts on a good MTB, if any. get back to...
im more referring to the materials and construction than the tech.

there aren't many *cast* aluminum parts on a good MTB, if any.

get back to me when motocross bikes are using EPS or RTM carbon for the mainframes.
Broseph wrote:
There are no cast components in bicycles because volumes are non existent. Also, the industry is driven by fad and fashion so expensive tooling doesn’t make...
There are no cast components in bicycles because volumes are non existent. Also, the industry is driven by fad and fashion so expensive tooling doesn’t make sense. If dirt bikes used the same tech as bicycles, we’d have to throw them away and buy a new one every year.
milliebays wrote:
there are no cast parts because the s/w creates either a heavy bike or a liability. product design lifecycles are 4+ years for all major components...
there are no cast parts because the s/w creates either a heavy bike or a liability.

product design lifecycles are 4+ years for all major components, including frames.

folks on average keep their bikes about the same amount of time as motocrossers and put considerably more hours on them during that time with little more than chains, seals, tires, rotors, and pads as wear items.
We must ride with different folks. What I’m getting at is dirt bikes from the 90s are still structurally sound. Your carbon bike in 30 years with thousands of hours? Not so much. Look at WP 52mm forks. They won’t let them out to the public because the lower fork tubes are aluminum and need routine inspection/replacement. That’s bicycle tech on a motorcycle.

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I’m down with e bikes. If it gets people in shape and betters their lives, cool. Hard to argue with that. I just hope they don’t go from pedal assist to lets see how big we can make the motors. At that point, I’m out

16 miles in tonight, non e, mid fat, rigid. I had fun.


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ACBraap 5/8/2019 1:05pm
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Premix wrote:
I’m down with e bikes. If it gets people in shape and betters their lives, cool. Hard to argue with that. I just hope they don’t...
I’m down with e bikes. If it gets people in shape and betters their lives, cool. Hard to argue with that. I just hope they don’t go from pedal assist to lets see how big we can make the motors. At that point, I’m out

16 miles in tonight, non e, mid fat, rigid. I had fun.


But you know they will go that way. Look at current bicycle and moto activity. Bike riders upgrade parts constantly, overshock frames, put longer forks on then spec'd, moto riders revalve, remap, put on exhausts before they even ride a bike, etc. Not to mention a Class 2 ebike is far more similar to a Class 1 than a Class 1 is to a non ebike. It's hard to tell where it will go with access, but its a sure bet IMO that e-tech is going have aftermarket hacks out there. If there's a half dozen companies selling aftermarket dropper levers, imagine the demand for a kit to add throttle actuation.

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