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As a foreigner i would like to ask if there is simplified answer why is american road racing in such a despair when MX & SX is doing fine?
I mean since Nicky Hayden (R.I.P.) and Ben Spies no serious contender has entered the world ranks. Why?
I mean since Nicky Hayden (R.I.P.) and Ben Spies no serious contender has entered the world ranks. Why?
Could you link me the commentary, pretty please?
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Then it's like it died. The whole France thing, trying to make it two wheeled NASCAR, almost finished it.
I went to Daytona in 74. Our best battling with guys like Ago, Sheene and Smart. The stands were packed with people from all over the world. A friend went this year and said there were next to no spectators. None of the top AMA riders were there.
Don't know what it will take but it's sad.
To the OP....
Road racing has MotoGP. A single championship that does a very effective job of marketing road racing because all of the marketing resources are focused at a single international point.
I’d argue that diluting the product (road racing) by moving OEM budget away from the GPs and spreading the wealth to a regional series (MotoAmerica) would hurt the sport as a whole. MX/SX isnt nearly as big as it should be because it’s spread so damn thin (too many “premier” championships).
Dorna weakened WSBK & bolstered MotoGP in the process. It’s been good overall for the sport.
A national series like MotoAmerica is only as popular as the local participants make it. The OEMs have largely bailed. It’s a great time to be a privateer. Factory teams dont belong in a regional championship anyways.
The Italian series was almost dead also. Rossi revived that whole program by reinvesting in it. He got sponsors involved and is single handily responsible for a now very strong development program.
How many American stars have reinvested back in their domestic series? Did Hayden ever groom the next kid? What’s Spies ever done? King Kenny did it for his own son but nobody else.
Spanish & Italian stars reinvest in their country’s youth. Japanese & Italian manufacturers also reinvest in their domestic youth. We dont even have an American mfg.
Our American tracks arent on the level of the rest of the world either. Other than COTA (which is new) our facilities have fallen way behind international standards. Other countries invest heavily in their tracks. Better facilities apparently = more participation from racers & sponsors.
We are a take-take-take culture without a huge track record of giving back. I suppose Carey Hart & RC tried (in SX) yet it was a party toy and never something they ever took as serious as they should’ve. And guess what, that team flamed out rather quick.
Having been around both Euro GP teams & American SX teams. One is very much ran like a business & the other is often a party. If teams cant survive, there isnt much incetive for parents & young racers.
Those that I know within the American road racing scene only just bitch that the mfg’s have left. They are incapable of seeing any other solution than having the OEMs save them. That’s a big part of the problem right there.
I can see that Rossi is keeping italians afloat but also thanks to the SKY TV money is exiling and destroying competitors from non-VR46 camp to get into a GP paddock. What will happen in like 20-30 years after VR46 trademark is gone? Will italian GP racing be salvageable? btw. italian motorcycle federation prohibits you from taking part in real road racing like Isle of man TT.
Medical and insurance is an issue but the risk of injury is similar in MX. But i guess the costs rack up if you count in the cost of travel to few and far circuits usable.
Regarding the term "blot donkey". That was my try to develop a PC way to term "sucking ass". As my signuture states, my english is wackest of wacks and the english overall seems to lack a PC synonym to word "suck" so i ended up with "blot". I am deeply honored by the support it got.
I love it, and I am totally going to use it. In fact, I may have gotten angry in traffic this morning and told some lollygaggers to go blot some donkey this morning.
Didn't Peter Gabriel write about this?
Blot, Blot, Blot
Blot the Donkey
Hahahahaha.....
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The OEMs paid to have AMA aired on TV.
And now those funds have been redirected to the premier championship where they belong.
A healthy MotoGP (or any premier championship) is a much better business model & marketing tool than spreading resources thin over multiple championships.
Any AMA related series will always underachieve so long as their business model depends primarily on the OEMs. They gotta move on from that old paradigm.
You guys hittin the sauce again?
It's Shock the Monkey.
https://youtu.be/CnVf1ZoCJSo
as far as roadracing USA, I dunno.
I know I really enjoyed this years 200.
The fact it's not part of our National Series is ludicrous imo.
I kinda blame the AMA. It was Dingman that had the great idea to sell off Pro Racing. Not that American Roadracing was killing it at the time.
IMHO, he's getting these fees from all these different places and not reinvesting in any of it.
When's the last time you saw an ad on TV touting MOTOAmerica and their series? How about MXSPORTS and the outdoors? How about the National Hillclimb Series? Anyone have a clue on when or where they run?
Yeah, it's nice having a guy in Washington DC fighting for our rights. And yeah, the break you get at some motels or towing jobs is cool.
But God Damn man, you take millions a year from a certain segment of your business and then just ignore them, basically just let them fend for themselves, is fucked up imo.
DMG screwed road racing, and its lucky MX sports took over the MX, as it could have happened there too,
Flat track seems to have come back stronger than it has been for decades, maybe someone can get that for road racing to?
American Superbike racing took the handouts the 80’s afforded them and never reinvested in themselves. And the sport is dead. Good ol fashion capitalism.
I know it won't happen but that was such a cool period with all around riders.
They take the money, they promote the idea they are for the betterment of the, ah, pastime.
Is their business model to just ride the coat tails of a few promoters?
What business would not promote their product?
I'll take it a bit further. Anyone see the commercials on the pleasures of long haul motorcycle riding? How about Adventure Riding? I'll answer for you.
You haven't.
Because they don't promote motorcycling to the public in any way I know of.
Imo if you put yourself out as THE national organization of anything, you should do your part to
enhance, promote and grow whatever it is, on that national level.
I dunno. Dingman should just get out of racing altogether and build another AAA for bikes if that's what he wants to do. If that's His Vision, so be it.
Just quit sucking off racing so others get 15% off a Holiday Inn room during Sturgis.
To be known as the best all around racer in America,
how could it get any better?
I had the pleasure last year of sitting down with some folks whom are big names & heavily involved in American Superbike racing. I listened to them bitch about the status of their sport fo 30 minutes and at no point did I hear any legitimate solution offered. Their answer to everything was BRING BACK THE OEM's.
They came off as inept business minds that were totally myopic in their "solutions". In fact, they didnt even grasp the concept of viewing racing as a business. Anyone in a failing business that has everything figured out already, is really difficult to deal with.
I left that discussion not at all surprised as to the state of American Superbike racing.
They tried using Roger Edmondson, and his ideas,
to no avail.
The same Roger that did build it back up after The AMA all but abandoned RR back in the 80s or 90s.
The same guy that sued, and won, The AMA so successfully he almost put them out of business.
I remember, they hijacked his series after telling him they weren't interested in roadracing anymore and he could go for it, they were done with it.
It was DMG that hired Edmondson after he won the lawsuit. Nobody in the motorcycle world wanted anything to do with him. Which is where he stayed for years until DMG bought Pro Racing.
I dunno if it was sour grapes or what, but I know DMG and Edmondson were attacked and vilified at every turn when they took over. The factories left
over class structures, they didn't want to have to run
a 600 against an 883 or whatever. It's like everyone hated the guy, and DMG, to the point the AMA threatened to pull their deal under the guise of it becoming harmful, what was it, to the point hurting the AMAs good name or something.
So, now, where are we?
Wayne is trying, God Bless him.
I have to agree with you, nothing has changed.
It's the same old mindset, we need the factories.
But the factories, hell, motogp is costing them so much they don't appear to have anything left for America.
Be happy we see them at COTA I guess.
Thing is, if history shows us anything, we don't want or can't have a guy like Edmondson telling us how to be. The AMA won't stand the flak.
That's why they, The AMA, imo, need to step up and
help out.
They don't want an Edmondson, with the backing of a DMG, ok kick him out.
But.
They know better? Show me. Do something to help Rainey if he needs it.
Or just get off the pot and become the tow truck company they seem to want to be.
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