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mxbrian15
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2/13/2019 2:08am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2019 2:16am
mxbrian15 wrote:
I would recommend staying away from jayco. Frame is all wood and I’ve seen a bunch of issues from friends that have recently purchased them. Go...
I would recommend staying away from jayco. Frame is all wood and I’ve seen a bunch of issues from friends that have recently purchased them. Go with something that is aluminum framed. Trust me, once you have water intrusion, which is almost certain over the life of a trailer, even with good maintenance, you’ll be bette off.

Also, with regards to pricing, standard rule of thumb is you can get most current year trailers for at least 20% off MSRP. Get a one year left over, and that jumps to 30-40% off MSRP. I’ve been buying trailers for a long time and have had many different brands. You just have to be willing to take your time negotiating and be willing to walk. Trust me, they make a ton off trailers and need to move them as they take up a ton of real estate. I just paid 18k for our trailer that was 28k MSRP, which is what they were asking.
agn5009 wrote:
Using a site like RVTrader I’ve noticed they have MSRP listed on there at a crazy number then they’ll have their price as being say $25,000...
Using a site like RVTrader I’ve noticed they have MSRP listed on there at a crazy number then they’ll have their price as being say $25,000. Should I be getting 20% off of that number?

Here’s an example.

https://www.lerchrv.com/rvs-for-sale/2019-Keystone-Outback-Ultra-lite-1…

Should I be asking for much more off than that?
That seems like an ok price, but I would try talking them down another 2-3k. If they have it listed at 25, they more than likely have wiggle room.

Also, have you looked into 2018 and older Work n Plays? They are pretty bulletproof as well. A little heavy, but last.

Good luck on your search!
agn5009
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2/13/2019 3:05am
mxbrian15 wrote:
I would recommend staying away from jayco. Frame is all wood and I’ve seen a bunch of issues from friends that have recently purchased them. Go...
I would recommend staying away from jayco. Frame is all wood and I’ve seen a bunch of issues from friends that have recently purchased them. Go with something that is aluminum framed. Trust me, once you have water intrusion, which is almost certain over the life of a trailer, even with good maintenance, you’ll be bette off.

Also, with regards to pricing, standard rule of thumb is you can get most current year trailers for at least 20% off MSRP. Get a one year left over, and that jumps to 30-40% off MSRP. I’ve been buying trailers for a long time and have had many different brands. You just have to be willing to take your time negotiating and be willing to walk. Trust me, they make a ton off trailers and need to move them as they take up a ton of real estate. I just paid 18k for our trailer that was 28k MSRP, which is what they were asking.
agn5009 wrote:
Using a site like RVTrader I’ve noticed they have MSRP listed on there at a crazy number then they’ll have their price as being say $25,000...
Using a site like RVTrader I’ve noticed they have MSRP listed on there at a crazy number then they’ll have their price as being say $25,000. Should I be getting 20% off of that number?

Here’s an example.

https://www.lerchrv.com/rvs-for-sale/2019-Keystone-Outback-Ultra-lite-1…

Should I be asking for much more off than that?
mxbrian15 wrote:
That seems like an ok price, but I would try talking them down another 2-3k. If they have it listed at 25, they more than likely...
That seems like an ok price, but I would try talking them down another 2-3k. If they have it listed at 25, they more than likely have wiggle room.

Also, have you looked into 2018 and older Work n Plays? They are pretty bulletproof as well. A little heavy, but last.

Good luck on your search!
I have looked at them. But unfortunately they’re a little heavy. Probably too heavy for my truck.

Thank you!
mxbrian15
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2/13/2019 3:31am
agn5009 wrote:
Using a site like RVTrader I’ve noticed they have MSRP listed on there at a crazy number then they’ll have their price as being say $25,000...
Using a site like RVTrader I’ve noticed they have MSRP listed on there at a crazy number then they’ll have their price as being say $25,000. Should I be getting 20% off of that number?

Here’s an example.

https://www.lerchrv.com/rvs-for-sale/2019-Keystone-Outback-Ultra-lite-1…

Should I be asking for much more off than that?
mxbrian15 wrote:
That seems like an ok price, but I would try talking them down another 2-3k. If they have it listed at 25, they more than likely...
That seems like an ok price, but I would try talking them down another 2-3k. If they have it listed at 25, they more than likely have wiggle room.

Also, have you looked into 2018 and older Work n Plays? They are pretty bulletproof as well. A little heavy, but last.

Good luck on your search!
agn5009 wrote:
I have looked at them. But unfortunately they’re a little heavy. Probably too heavy for my truck.

Thank you!
10-4! And just FYI. I tend to really like the front garage toy haulers just from the standpoint of tongue weight. A downside to rear load toy haulers is when you load bikes and stuff in the rear, it really lightens the tongue weight. You wanna try to keep it between 10-15% of the weight of the trailer (I personally shoot for 12-15%) in order for it to tow good and reduce any trailer sway/tail wagging the dog issues.
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2/13/2019 3:46am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2019 4:08am
Check out the ATC line. Every now and then one used pops up in your price range. 20 footer is doable with half ton comfortably.


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Me and the Wife looked for used, went with New, they make these trailers so cheap its almost better to buy new and eat the depreciation and not have to deal with all the leaks, broken things that used has, I'm a carpenter, I don't wont to spend my week fixing the camper along with prepping bikes. We ended up with a Salem FSX 260 Toy hauler. I pull it with a 08 F150 4.6 2wd fully loaded water all the gear 2 big bike and a Mini, all the other random crap 2 kids and a wife need. Dry weight on the camper is 4900lbs. Took it to 15 races in 2018, only issue and this is truck related, on our way back from Ironman GNCC heading back to Michigan got stuck in a 30mph head wind, the little ford engine was screaming at me.
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agn5009
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2/13/2019 4:30am
Dixon893 wrote:
Me and the Wife looked for used, went with New, they make these trailers so cheap its almost better to buy new and eat the depreciation...
Me and the Wife looked for used, went with New, they make these trailers so cheap its almost better to buy new and eat the depreciation and not have to deal with all the leaks, broken things that used has, I'm a carpenter, I don't wont to spend my week fixing the camper along with prepping bikes. We ended up with a Salem FSX 260 Toy hauler. I pull it with a 08 F150 4.6 2wd fully loaded water all the gear 2 big bike and a Mini, all the other random crap 2 kids and a wife need. Dry weight on the camper is 4900lbs. Took it to 15 races in 2018, only issue and this is truck related, on our way back from Ironman GNCC heading back to Michigan got stuck in a 30mph head wind, the little ford engine was screaming at me.
I was also looking at the FSX. How much is your truck rated to tow?
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49weasel wrote:
Buy used. Let someone else take a bath.
Exactly because it's a full on bath on RV's. I used to sell them and we sold the livin lite models, if that's something you're interested in I'd go used because $25K won't get you into a new LL unless you go small and stripped down. They offer a ton of options and are all pretty much the same unless you do decide to go livin lite.
Dixon893
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2/13/2019 5:48am
Dixon893 wrote:
Me and the Wife looked for used, went with New, they make these trailers so cheap its almost better to buy new and eat the depreciation...
Me and the Wife looked for used, went with New, they make these trailers so cheap its almost better to buy new and eat the depreciation and not have to deal with all the leaks, broken things that used has, I'm a carpenter, I don't wont to spend my week fixing the camper along with prepping bikes. We ended up with a Salem FSX 260 Toy hauler. I pull it with a 08 F150 4.6 2wd fully loaded water all the gear 2 big bike and a Mini, all the other random crap 2 kids and a wife need. Dry weight on the camper is 4900lbs. Took it to 15 races in 2018, only issue and this is truck related, on our way back from Ironman GNCC heading back to Michigan got stuck in a 30mph head wind, the little ford engine was screaming at me.
agn5009 wrote:
I was also looking at the FSX. How much is your truck rated to tow?
Tow capacity in the ball park of 6500lbs, a good weight distribution hitch and some smart driving techniques it pulls and stops no problem, I've had several people at the races ask me the same question, they were interest in the same model but didn't want to have to drive a 3/4 ton truck. Honestly the 20-30 times a year I haul it to the races, isn't enough for me to justify a newer 3/4 ton, that's why I went with the FSX model its lite, its nothing more than a tin can with a veneer wrapping, if you just need it for weekend races and the occasional family camping trip its a fine unit, if you looking for leather and L.E.D magic its probable not the unit you want.
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2/13/2019 5:53am
racerx217 wrote:
They are all junk, have been down that road a few times with new ones. Either buy a ATC or a VRV and spend the coin...
They are all junk, have been down that road a few times with new ones. Either buy a ATC or a VRV and spend the coin or buy a really good extended warranty and expect it to be back at the shop where you got it. So buy close to home. Have had 2 fun finders and have had one xlr27hfs and now we are on to just camping in a enclosed trailer. Much easier, cheaper and no problems...
Langhammx wrote:
Negative Nancy ??

He is in Michigan and you in So Cal, two totally different environments for a toy hauler. Me, over 100 inches of rain here in Southeast Texas last year so what he says rings really true for me...many of them are junk. I can go 2 blocks down the street to a friends RV repair facility and see a half dozen of them gutted to repair water damage on the wood inside and underneath those fiberglass skins. What a mess they can be. Everyone wants outdoor kitchens and TV's and those are the first things to soak up water and rot. Around here, leaving them parked out in the weather is a quick death sentence. Gotta keep them covered and dry as much as possible. I was looking for one with all aluminum construction, with no wood and damn they get expensive fast. I would almost consider paying a premium for it but the specs suck. Water and sewer storage is minimal in many of them, generators are extra....by the time you get one of decent size optioned out you end up needing something more than a half ton truck to pull it with.

My advice, study up on what type of roof and siding they have, where seams are and any components that penetrate or are bolted to the outside. How do the ramp doors attach and seal? They will soak up water at the hinge mounts and rot in short order. I'm even hesitant to buy a new one around here because of how long they have been sitting on the lot in the rain.
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Jterry
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2/13/2019 6:03am
Whatever you buy make sure it has a separate garage. I would never own one without a separate garage.

I have a 2013 KZ MXT 302 its my 2nd toy hauler and Ive had it almost 3 years. Never had a problem with it. Bought used from the original owner after he had it a year. I had it for sale for a while but I believe we are just going to keep it unless someone just wants it.

It 32' long and we pull it empty with the wifes Ecodiesel Jeep Grand Cherokee. When loaded down I pull it with my 2500 dodge. But even loaded its under 8000 lbs Im pretty sure.
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2/13/2019 7:11am
Look for a gently used Grey Wolf 26RR. Should be able to get one for low to mid teens. Easy to tow. Expect to do a few upgrades/improvements in order to really make it your own. We enjoyed ours.


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2/13/2019 7:16am
DTR830 wrote:
Falcon toy haulers exteriors are alum. Cool interiors & light weight.

https://travelliterv.com/falcon-toy-hauler/
Those prices looked too cheap. From their website.


F-Lite Specifications
Falcon F-Lite Travel Trailers Standard Features:

Wood Framed Construction, 5/8” Tongue & Groove Plywood Floor Decking, Insulated Walls, Roof, and Floor, .040 Smooth Aluminum Exterior, Diamond Plate Rock Guar

Aura Specifications
Aura Travel Trailers Standard Features:

Wood Framed Construction, 5/8” Floor Decking, Insulated Walls, Roof, and Floor, .040 Smooth Aluminum Exterior, Diamond Plate Rock Guard, Engineered Bow Truss Rafters,

Falcon Specifications
Falcon Travel Trailers Standard Features:

Wood Framed Construction, 5/8” Tongue & Groove Plywood Floor Decking, Insulated Walls, Roof, and Floor, .040 Smooth Aluminum Exterior, Diamond Plate Rock Guard,
dmm698
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2/13/2019 7:32am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2019 7:36am
Take a close look at the keystone outback 230 toy hauler. It has a front garage you can stick two bikes in, which doubles as a bedroom when bikes are in it, has a rear slide out bed. It offers you the separate garage this way.

I had a 1500 Silverado (2013 with the 5.3) that was rated for 9k or whatever. I got so sick of my pop up after a super rainy unadilla weekend, that I said enough of this i'm getting a toy hauler.

I wanted a separate garage. Otherwise it was like a box trailer with a kitchen and bathroom. Very hard to find that in a rear garage toy hauler unless your 30 + feet.

I was looking for the 2007-2009 Keystone 230 front garage toy hauler, but found everybody wanted 11-15k for them, and they were like MSRP 22 New so I knew they were purchased new in the 14-15 range.

Ended up getting a smoking deal (7K) for a SUPER clean 280 front garage toy hauler, same layout except this has a side slide as well. GVWR was 8600 loaded up.

After pulling it twice with my half ton with the proper load distribution hitch, I traded the truck in on a 2500 diesel.

I know all the OEM's publish these ridiculous tow ratings on half tons , and ford is probably the worst for this.

Crew cab 1500 truck, say 5200LB curb weight, then add a tank of fuel. Now add atleast 10% tongue weight on 8k (800 pounds). your 6k pounds + a tank of fuel before passengers. GVWR of the truck was like 7k.... Doesnt leave much room for you and your wife to ride along legally in it. GCWR was like 14000? Pounds, now you have your 8k trailer, with your 5500 pound truck (tongue weight isnt accounted for in this), plus passengers in your truck, you're over 14k pounds.

After struggling to make it up hills at even 60 on the highway with my camper , and watching the thing live at 4500 RPM on the highway to do it, I was all set on trying to do it with a half ton even though it was technically under the tow rating. Campers are MASSIVE windsails at 8+ foot wide and 11 feet tall. Anyone telling you they pull 8-9k pounds in a half ton pickup and that the truck does it well is out to lunch. Sure you can overload it and it WILL pull it, it wont do it well at all, your trans temps will be super hot, and god forbid something happened and there was an accident and you're over weight, your might as well kiss everything you own goodbye.

Just my 2 cents from somebody who went down this road. I had grand plans to use it pretty often, spending saturday nights at the track ect. In reality, I only use it when a track is having a saturday practice, race sunday. It just isnt worth the time/effort to drag the camper less than say 1.5 hours to a track just to open it up, spend one night, spend a lot of sunday closing it up throughout the day, to then drag it home and have to deal with dumping the crapper, than just getting up and driving 1.5 hours sunday morning to the race.
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I have a work and play that's 5,000 pounds empty and my half ton truck struggle sometimes with Towing it. you have to watch steep hills your transmission overheat fast. You will also need to invest in a good leveling hitch and sway bar don't try Towing something that heavy on just a ball. I did that once was very scary.





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2/13/2019 7:48am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2019 7:55am
dmm698 wrote:
Take a close look at the keystone outback 230 toy hauler. It has a front garage you can stick two bikes in, which doubles as a...
Take a close look at the keystone outback 230 toy hauler. It has a front garage you can stick two bikes in, which doubles as a bedroom when bikes are in it, has a rear slide out bed. It offers you the separate garage this way.

I had a 1500 Silverado (2013 with the 5.3) that was rated for 9k or whatever. I got so sick of my pop up after a super rainy unadilla weekend, that I said enough of this i'm getting a toy hauler.

I wanted a separate garage. Otherwise it was like a box trailer with a kitchen and bathroom. Very hard to find that in a rear garage toy hauler unless your 30 + feet.

I was looking for the 2007-2009 Keystone 230 front garage toy hauler, but found everybody wanted 11-15k for them, and they were like MSRP 22 New so I knew they were purchased new in the 14-15 range.

Ended up getting a smoking deal (7K) for a SUPER clean 280 front garage toy hauler, same layout except this has a side slide as well. GVWR was 8600 loaded up.

After pulling it twice with my half ton with the proper load distribution hitch, I traded the truck in on a 2500 diesel.

I know all the OEM's publish these ridiculous tow ratings on half tons , and ford is probably the worst for this.

Crew cab 1500 truck, say 5200LB curb weight, then add a tank of fuel. Now add atleast 10% tongue weight on 8k (800 pounds). your 6k pounds + a tank of fuel before passengers. GVWR of the truck was like 7k.... Doesnt leave much room for you and your wife to ride along legally in it. GCWR was like 14000? Pounds, now you have your 8k trailer, with your 5500 pound truck (tongue weight isnt accounted for in this), plus passengers in your truck, you're over 14k pounds.

After struggling to make it up hills at even 60 on the highway with my camper , and watching the thing live at 4500 RPM on the highway to do it, I was all set on trying to do it with a half ton even though it was technically under the tow rating. Campers are MASSIVE windsails at 8+ foot wide and 11 feet tall. Anyone telling you they pull 8-9k pounds in a half ton pickup and that the truck does it well is out to lunch. Sure you can overload it and it WILL pull it, it wont do it well at all, your trans temps will be super hot, and god forbid something happened and there was an accident and you're over weight, your might as well kiss everything you own goodbye.

Just my 2 cents from somebody who went down this road. I had grand plans to use it pretty often, spending saturday nights at the track ect. In reality, I only use it when a track is having a saturday practice, race sunday. It just isnt worth the time/effort to drag the camper less than say 1.5 hours to a track just to open it up, spend one night, spend a lot of sunday closing it up throughout the day, to then drag it home and have to deal with dumping the crapper, than just getting up and driving 1.5 hours sunday morning to the race.
100% spot on with every point you made but 99.9% of the people out there will still pull out their window sticker, see some ridiculously impractical number on there and then double check to make sure that the underestimated number on their trailers spec sheet is just a hair below that and think "I'M GOOD TO GO!" They won't even consider the tongue weight and it's effect on the trucks GVWR.

OP, you want my advice? Go find a trailer with a dry weight of about 1/2 of your trucks advertised capacity. And pay close attention to the tongue weight and factor it into the max payload of your truck. Don't be that guy on the highway endangering those around you.

My Ecoboost F-150 is rated to tow about 11,000 but has a payload of only 1200. If you do the math backwards, after me, my dog, my tonnue cover, my bed rug, my WD hitch, my spare change in the console (you get the idea) and whatever else I put in the truck, I'm left with about 550 pounds of payload reserved for the tongue weight. That equates to about a 5000-5500 pound trailer, max, before I'm over my limits regardless of what my window sticker claims I can pull. My trailer weighs about 4500 and I can comfortably pull it anywhere.
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DTR830
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2/13/2019 8:04am
DTR830 wrote:
Falcon toy haulers exteriors are alum. Cool interiors & light weight.

https://travelliterv.com/falcon-toy-hauler/
Jterry wrote:
They are wood framed says so right on their website.
sorry meant exterior is all aluminum. Ill edit my post.
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AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It appears you've done good research. If you have interest in my daughters loaded 2017 XLR, then PM me . I know the PM feature here is a bit sketchy, so let me know if you sent one and if I don''t get it , ill post my cell for you on here. I'll give you their contact info then, she knows a lot more about it than I do, although I will assure you that you won't find a cleaner or "less used " pre-owned one. Let me know...
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OldPro277 wrote:
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It...
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It appears you've done good research. If you have interest in my daughters loaded 2017 XLR, then PM me . I know the PM feature here is a bit sketchy, so let me know if you sent one and if I don''t get it , ill post my cell for you on here. I'll give you their contact info then, she knows a lot more about it than I do, although I will assure you that you won't find a cleaner or "less used " pre-owned one. Let me know...
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was to do it again I buy something lighter my bikes have to go outside regardless. I wasn't informed enough and went off the fake tow rate for my truck, just because the manufacturer claims the truck can do it doesn't mean you can. Even the trailer companies lie about the weight, the weight they give the trailer is without the interior. So a 5000 pound trailer actually weights more than that.
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2/13/2019 10:08am
Can't believe what some of you tow with a 1/2 ton pick-up. I pull around 6k with my sierra 1500, and that is more than the pick-up is really up for despite the tow rating being around 9k like the op. I wouldn't touch 8k with it unless it was a one time deal and a short drive.

6k pushes it around enough that the stability control light is flashing quite often.
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I did really well with a 20' Fun Runner from Carson Trailer. You might not have that brand out where you are in PA, but I bet somebody does the same thing: inexpensive, reliable trailers that aren't the lightest nor the best-looking, but they get the job done.

I had a 20' front bath model with the kitchen to the side. There was enough room I cold get my wife's quad in, and then I could easily get 3-4 MX bikes in it. I probably could have gotten a golf cart + ATV + one MX bike without too much hassle.
The trailer was about 6500 pounds dry; steel frame. 80 gallons of water weighed 680, and then I had maybe another 1,000 pounds of cargo in it for a total of 8,180 lbs., well below the 10K limit for my Tundra. The trick is that your tow capacity and vehicle cargo are cumulative, so make sure you don't go over the GVWR when you add all trailer weight + occupants and cargo in the truck!

Lots of folks on here have some good ideas about camping in the vehicle, and certainly having a garage would be epic, but I was resigned to leaving the bikes outside (locked up, of course). I never noticed the smell of gas once everything went outside. Plus, it's camping. You aren't supposed to feel like you are at home.
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2/13/2019 11:21am
OldPro277 wrote:
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It...
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It appears you've done good research. If you have interest in my daughters loaded 2017 XLR, then PM me . I know the PM feature here is a bit sketchy, so let me know if you sent one and if I don''t get it , ill post my cell for you on here. I'll give you their contact info then, she knows a lot more about it than I do, although I will assure you that you won't find a cleaner or "less used " pre-owned one. Let me know...
RCF wrote:
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was...
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was to do it again I buy something lighter my bikes have to go outside regardless. I wasn't informed enough and went off the fake tow rate for my truck, just because the manufacturer claims the truck can do it doesn't mean you can. Even the trailer companies lie about the weight, the weight they give the trailer is without the interior. So a 5000 pound trailer actually weights more than that.
Hey--back off dude,lol. Im not trying sell shit. Those kids can afford to buy the new Outlaw AND keep their XLR trailer as a backup if necessary, so its not even official that they want to sell it, I'm just trying to help AGN out a little, because I know for a fact that IF they sell it ,they will sell it for less than its worth, to get a quick transaction.They both are way too busy to mess around for a couple of bucks either way. Also, they have pulled that trailer and his previous big one with a stock 5.7 Tundra with absolutely zero issues. Could barely tell it was back there. Can't give the same real-life experience with GM or Ford "1/2 ton" trucks, but based on the huge amount of toyhaulers at the races being pulled by Silverado 1500's, Ram 1500's and F150's ,Im thinking that those brands can handle those things well ,too. By the way, Tundra's have a max towing capacity of 10,200 pounds and the last time my son-in-law weighed the LOADED trailer with 3 bikes, water, fuel,gear and luggage, it came in at somewhere in the 8400 lb range. This isn't 1995 anymore ,these trucks are built to handle some higher capacities.
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2/13/2019 11:31am
Threads like these always bring out the weight rating nazi's lol

Like someone else mentioned, 40 replies and 40 different opinions.

I have a 27' travel trailer thats about 8900 fully loaded up, top quality E-qual-izer WDH/Anti-sway hitch, bike packed in the bed of my truck, firewood, generator, wife and dog, etc. My 1/2 ton Tundra pulls and stops it just fine.

To each his own. Good luck on the Trailer search OP!
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OldPro277 wrote:
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It...
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It appears you've done good research. If you have interest in my daughters loaded 2017 XLR, then PM me . I know the PM feature here is a bit sketchy, so let me know if you sent one and if I don''t get it , ill post my cell for you on here. I'll give you their contact info then, she knows a lot more about it than I do, although I will assure you that you won't find a cleaner or "less used " pre-owned one. Let me know...
RCF wrote:
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was...
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was to do it again I buy something lighter my bikes have to go outside regardless. I wasn't informed enough and went off the fake tow rate for my truck, just because the manufacturer claims the truck can do it doesn't mean you can. Even the trailer companies lie about the weight, the weight they give the trailer is without the interior. So a 5000 pound trailer actually weights more than that.
OldPro277 wrote:
Hey--back off dude,lol. Im not trying sell shit. Those kids can afford to buy the new Outlaw AND keep their XLR trailer as a backup if...
Hey--back off dude,lol. Im not trying sell shit. Those kids can afford to buy the new Outlaw AND keep their XLR trailer as a backup if necessary, so its not even official that they want to sell it, I'm just trying to help AGN out a little, because I know for a fact that IF they sell it ,they will sell it for less than its worth, to get a quick transaction.They both are way too busy to mess around for a couple of bucks either way. Also, they have pulled that trailer and his previous big one with a stock 5.7 Tundra with absolutely zero issues. Could barely tell it was back there. Can't give the same real-life experience with GM or Ford "1/2 ton" trucks, but based on the huge amount of toyhaulers at the races being pulled by Silverado 1500's, Ram 1500's and F150's ,Im thinking that those brands can handle those things well ,too. By the way, Tundra's have a max towing capacity of 10,200 pounds and the last time my son-in-law weighed the LOADED trailer with 3 bikes, water, fuel,gear and luggage, it came in at somewhere in the 8400 lb range. This isn't 1995 anymore ,these trucks are built to handle some higher capacities.
I guess I need to buy a tundra seems like everybody that has one is pulling really heavy trailers with no problems ,lol. I have a Nissan Titan and I've been in a few situations where we barely made it up hills and my transmission has overheated. Don't get me wrong though 95% of time it's fine but I know I'm killing my truck. Even on certain highways we have trouble I think it's 68 that run through Maryland west Virginia to get to Ohio, even with running starts we have hard times getting up those mountains.
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For the most part they are all crap. I bought a new Keystone Raptor, 5th wheel unit with 3 slides so bigger than you are after. But this is suppose to be Keystones high end trailer and its built like crap. Sure they all look nice when you do your walk though, all fancy and nice but when you start to actually look at the how its built and behind it all you can see how poorly it is. If you buy new take time to go over everything; look under, inside, over, get up on the roof (make sure seams are sealed and not crack, AC unit is sealed and fitted correct), go underneath, test the water pump and system for leaks,... cause warranty can be a pain in the ass (up in Canada anyway). Better to get all/any issues address before buying as you still have some negotiating power.
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2/13/2019 12:03pm
RCF wrote:
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was...
You seem to be the only one disagreeing because you're trying to sell something. That trailer is too heavy for half ton pickup if I was to do it again I buy something lighter my bikes have to go outside regardless. I wasn't informed enough and went off the fake tow rate for my truck, just because the manufacturer claims the truck can do it doesn't mean you can. Even the trailer companies lie about the weight, the weight they give the trailer is without the interior. So a 5000 pound trailer actually weights more than that.
OldPro277 wrote:
Hey--back off dude,lol. Im not trying sell shit. Those kids can afford to buy the new Outlaw AND keep their XLR trailer as a backup if...
Hey--back off dude,lol. Im not trying sell shit. Those kids can afford to buy the new Outlaw AND keep their XLR trailer as a backup if necessary, so its not even official that they want to sell it, I'm just trying to help AGN out a little, because I know for a fact that IF they sell it ,they will sell it for less than its worth, to get a quick transaction.They both are way too busy to mess around for a couple of bucks either way. Also, they have pulled that trailer and his previous big one with a stock 5.7 Tundra with absolutely zero issues. Could barely tell it was back there. Can't give the same real-life experience with GM or Ford "1/2 ton" trucks, but based on the huge amount of toyhaulers at the races being pulled by Silverado 1500's, Ram 1500's and F150's ,Im thinking that those brands can handle those things well ,too. By the way, Tundra's have a max towing capacity of 10,200 pounds and the last time my son-in-law weighed the LOADED trailer with 3 bikes, water, fuel,gear and luggage, it came in at somewhere in the 8400 lb range. This isn't 1995 anymore ,these trucks are built to handle some higher capacities.
RCF wrote:
I guess I need to buy a tundra seems like everybody that has one is pulling really heavy trailers with no problems ,lol. I have a...
I guess I need to buy a tundra seems like everybody that has one is pulling really heavy trailers with no problems ,lol. I have a Nissan Titan and I've been in a few situations where we barely made it up hills and my transmission has overheated. Don't get me wrong though 95% of time it's fine but I know I'm killing my truck. Even on certain highways we have trouble I think it's 68 that run through Maryland west Virginia to get to Ohio, even with running starts we have hard times getting up those mountains.
Well RCF,you need to come to the dark side and try one,lol. I've been in the car biz 35 years as a GM of Chev stores, owned my own store ,etc,etc and for the last 20 years all I've ever had my wife and daughter drive are Toyota products, and finally got my son-in-law turned from a stout F250 guy to Tundras (last 2) and he claims his Tundras haul just as good as his big 'ol F250 did. Now before you F250 guys yap at me , his F250's were gas, not diesel,lol
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2/13/2019 12:57pm
OldPro277 wrote:
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It...
AGN--- Funny stuff, 40+ replies and 40 completely different opinions lol. In the end ,only YOU know what works best for you,your family and situation. It appears you've done good research. If you have interest in my daughters loaded 2017 XLR, then PM me . I know the PM feature here is a bit sketchy, so let me know if you sent one and if I don''t get it , ill post my cell for you on here. I'll give you their contact info then, she knows a lot more about it than I do, although I will assure you that you won't find a cleaner or "less used " pre-owned one. Let me know...
I’m definitely a lot more confused now than what I was before making this post ha.

I’m going to check out the RV show next week and see what happens from there. Your daughters camper sounds like a great deal but I’m concerned it’s going to be too much money for me. I have a hard $25k limit.
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2/13/2019 1:16pm
racerx217 wrote:
They are all junk, have been down that road a few times with new ones. Either buy a ATC or a VRV and spend the coin...
They are all junk, have been down that road a few times with new ones. Either buy a ATC or a VRV and spend the coin or buy a really good extended warranty and expect it to be back at the shop where you got it. So buy close to home. Have had 2 fun finders and have had one xlr27hfs and now we are on to just camping in a enclosed trailer. Much easier, cheaper and no problems...
I hate to be negative Nancy as well but you're absolutely right. They are all built on an assembly line and junked together as fast as they can crank em out. Half the new ones we'd get in leaked from the factory and trust me water in an RV of any kind is your enemy. If you do get one make sure it stays under some time of awning and preferably out of the weather altogether. Inspect that roof like a mad man my friend. You really get a better product with the Livin Lite brand though.
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