KTM Drama at Oak Hill

3/21/2009 4:01pm
35smom wrote:
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to...
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to win and he does it on a 125 we got in February of 2008. Starts kill him on the bike but if any of you have the chance look at his lap times. That's why we do it. Right now this am racing is the most competitive ever and tempers flare but its gotten out of hand this weekl
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they know, because it will all come down to his results when the rider turns pro and the rest of this nonsense just won't matter.

Another kid who did well, despite the fact that the family is working 3 jobs (and he has natural ability) is AJ Cantanzaro. That family can only afford to go to 2 or 3 races a year, barely, and I think I read somewhere "Despite winning a national title (stock class but not mod) at Lake Whitney AJ doesn't have what it takes to make it to the big leagues." , all of this while the kid came down with a cold or flu and had trouble with his mod bike and could only do his best.

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3/21/2009 4:09pm
flarider wrote:
That's a load of shit I can name a few top guys, big name pros today, who did not come from money They came from talent...
That's a load of shit
I can name a few top guys, big name pros today, who did not come from money
They came from talent and from dedication and commitment from BOTH the rider and family.
oshow wrote:
yep, and one of those is the GOAT.
RMZ819 wrote:
RC had alot of factory support from the time he was on a 85 and up. Sure his parents put some money in but don't fool...
RC had alot of factory support from the time he was on a 85 and up. Sure his parents put some money in but don't fool yourself if you think that RC and his parents did it in the back of a pickup truck.

In todays world Its all about the money now. If mom and pops do not have the jack then little jimmy is not going racing. Racing in today's world cost 10 times what it did when RC was racing 85's. Kyle Regal had 70 grand worth of 09 RMZ parts for sale a month ago. How does the average Joe compete with that????

The bottom line is If your parents can't go all in then there is a no shot of making it big in today's MX world.

I was there, RC got support because he earned it. He lived it and his parents did as well.

I totally agree about the times now, but anyone watching can tell talent and hopefully give support to a person that needs it to make it to the next level.
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3/21/2009 4:09pm
I've coached high level travel soccer at the U-17 level and had to deal with parents that thought their son wasn't getting the proper amount of playing time when college scouts were at games. I can only imagine what its like when the family income is dependant on this as well as an agent floating loose harassing the team manager to ensure their piece of the pie. No thank you.
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3/21/2009 4:11pm
todder wrote:
Oak Hill is getting quite a reputation.





Their parents must be so proud!

The Shop

3/21/2009 4:12pm
35smom wrote:
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to...
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to win and he does it on a 125 we got in February of 2008. Starts kill him on the bike but if any of you have the chance look at his lap times. That's why we do it. Right now this am racing is the most competitive ever and tempers flare but its gotten out of hand this weekl
Amy - tell Joey "awesome" job .... keep up the great work!
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3/21/2009 4:12pm
oshow wrote:
yep, and one of those is the GOAT.
RMZ819 wrote:
RC had alot of factory support from the time he was on a 85 and up. Sure his parents put some money in but don't fool...
RC had alot of factory support from the time he was on a 85 and up. Sure his parents put some money in but don't fool yourself if you think that RC and his parents did it in the back of a pickup truck.

In todays world Its all about the money now. If mom and pops do not have the jack then little jimmy is not going racing. Racing in today's world cost 10 times what it did when RC was racing 85's. Kyle Regal had 70 grand worth of 09 RMZ parts for sale a month ago. How does the average Joe compete with that????

The bottom line is If your parents can't go all in then there is a no shot of making it big in today's MX world.

jmar wrote:
It wasn't a pick up truck, it was an old RV pulling a (not so great) enclosed trailer. Rick Sr. worked just like the rest of...
It wasn't a pick up truck, it was an old RV pulling a (not so great) enclosed trailer. Rick Sr. worked just like the rest of us. Ricky got plenty of parts bikes and money to make sure he got to the races but he and his parents were not getting rich off the Team Green money Ricky received.
Exactly
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3/21/2009 4:17pm
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they...
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they know, because it will all come down to his results when the rider turns pro and the rest of this nonsense just won't matter.

Another kid who did well, despite the fact that the family is working 3 jobs (and he has natural ability) is AJ Cantanzaro. That family can only afford to go to 2 or 3 races a year, barely, and I think I read somewhere "Despite winning a national title (stock class but not mod) at Lake Whitney AJ doesn't have what it takes to make it to the big leagues." , all of this while the kid came down with a cold or flu and had trouble with his mod bike and could only do his best.

THANK YOU!!!

I have been saying that about AJ for the past 2 years.
The kid is amazing and they have to scrape and do anything they can just to get him to the races.
I am friends with the family and they work their asses off for AJ.
They have to bum rides and get other folks to bring AJ's bikes to the bigger nationals because they get squat for help.

Podiums this year at LL's and they got nothing for it.

I garun-damn-tee you if they could afford for him to train at MTF all year you would know that kids name just as well as you know Trettle or Tomac or Anstie.

THAT is where money makes a difference, this kid has a ton of talent, desire and determination and his family is behind him 1000%.....the only difference is they don't have the cash to keep up with the jones.
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3/21/2009 4:17pm
35smom wrote:
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to...
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to win and he does it on a 125 we got in February of 2008. Starts kill him on the bike but if any of you have the chance look at his lap times. That's why we do it. Right now this am racing is the most competitive ever and tempers flare but its gotten out of hand this weekl
Congrats, tell Joey "Good Job"
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3/21/2009 4:22pm
35smom wrote:
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to...
My son just finished 9th at OakHill in 125 schoolboy. To many that's not great to me its awesome! He has the desire and commitment to win and he does it on a 125 we got in February of 2008. Starts kill him on the bike but if any of you have the chance look at his lap times. That's why we do it. Right now this am racing is the most competitive ever and tempers flare but its gotten out of hand this weekl
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they...
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they know, because it will all come down to his results when the rider turns pro and the rest of this nonsense just won't matter.

Another kid who did well, despite the fact that the family is working 3 jobs (and he has natural ability) is AJ Cantanzaro. That family can only afford to go to 2 or 3 races a year, barely, and I think I read somewhere "Despite winning a national title (stock class but not mod) at Lake Whitney AJ doesn't have what it takes to make it to the big leagues." , all of this while the kid came down with a cold or flu and had trouble with his mod bike and could only do his best.


Honestly,

Some on this board have no idea what it cost to race in the amateur ranks at this level. We were very lucky and for the majority of my sons career we never paid for bikes, parts, all gear, motor or suspension work or things like sunglasses, hats, shirts, jackets, shorts etc. He was even lucky enough to get a check every month for expenses and it still cost me a lot of money.

My hats off to people like the Catanzaro family and 35smom because it's not an easy task to compete at this level.
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3/21/2009 4:31pm
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they...
He did awesome this week, Great job. Sometimes results do speak for the rider, especially if they continue to improve, and it's not just who they know, because it will all come down to his results when the rider turns pro and the rest of this nonsense just won't matter.

Another kid who did well, despite the fact that the family is working 3 jobs (and he has natural ability) is AJ Cantanzaro. That family can only afford to go to 2 or 3 races a year, barely, and I think I read somewhere "Despite winning a national title (stock class but not mod) at Lake Whitney AJ doesn't have what it takes to make it to the big leagues." , all of this while the kid came down with a cold or flu and had trouble with his mod bike and could only do his best.

jndmx wrote:
THANK YOU!!! I have been saying that about AJ for the past 2 years. The kid is amazing and they have to scrape and do anything...
THANK YOU!!!

I have been saying that about AJ for the past 2 years.
The kid is amazing and they have to scrape and do anything they can just to get him to the races.
I am friends with the family and they work their asses off for AJ.
They have to bum rides and get other folks to bring AJ's bikes to the bigger nationals because they get squat for help.

Podiums this year at LL's and they got nothing for it.

I garun-damn-tee you if they could afford for him to train at MTF all year you would know that kids name just as well as you know Trettle or Tomac or Anstie.

THAT is where money makes a difference, this kid has a ton of talent, desire and determination and his family is behind him 1000%.....the only difference is they don't have the cash to keep up with the jones.
Obviously Vurb doesn't know who AJ Catanzaro is (and listed him as a "Dud" on their "Studs and Duds" feature):
"AJ Catanzaro blasted onto the scene like a rocket ship a few months ago, but he’s seemed to have fizzled out over the last two weeks. He’s on his own program, so it’s going to be tough to beat the factory boys. Nonetheless, despite winning a title last week at Lake Whitney AJ has been less than impressive. He hasn’t mixed it up with the big boys on many occasions, which is something he’ll have to do if he wants to make the stud list next time around."

"Despite winning a title last week at Lake Whitney, AJ has been less than impressive."
Don't tell me that isn't a huge slap in the face.

Like you said jndmx, AJ is a rider who has been at it for awhile now. I completely agree. I remember when he was doing really well on a Polini 50 back when he started. Always has been a great rider since then and with a superb family doing what they can to get him from race to race, AJ has earned it the hard way and should get noticed for his outstanding results. With his past results (including a podium at Loretta's last year), determination, and the huge support from his family, AJ is a rider who deserves the credit out there for his accomplishments, not for his lack of being at every single amateur national.
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3/21/2009 4:31pm
Soozie125 wrote:
Nobody gives a shit about KTM, especially amateur.
keep telling yourself that.
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3/21/2009 4:34pm
Heck, just racing locally every weekend and a few out of state races a year cost 20-30K
3/21/2009 5:59pm
Obviously Vurb doesn't know who AJ Catanzaro is (and listed him as a "Dud" on their "Studs and Duds" feature): "AJ Catanzaro blasted onto the scene...
Obviously Vurb doesn't know who AJ Catanzaro is (and listed him as a "Dud" on their "Studs and Duds" feature):
"AJ Catanzaro blasted onto the scene like a rocket ship a few months ago, but he’s seemed to have fizzled out over the last two weeks. He’s on his own program, so it’s going to be tough to beat the factory boys. Nonetheless, despite winning a title last week at Lake Whitney AJ has been less than impressive. He hasn’t mixed it up with the big boys on many occasions, which is something he’ll have to do if he wants to make the stud list next time around."

"Despite winning a title last week at Lake Whitney, AJ has been less than impressive."
Don't tell me that isn't a huge slap in the face.

Like you said jndmx, AJ is a rider who has been at it for awhile now. I completely agree. I remember when he was doing really well on a Polini 50 back when he started. Always has been a great rider since then and with a superb family doing what they can to get him from race to race, AJ has earned it the hard way and should get noticed for his outstanding results. With his past results (including a podium at Loretta's last year), determination, and the huge support from his family, AJ is a rider who deserves the credit out there for his accomplishments, not for his lack of being at every single amateur national.
Matt, obviously we do know who he is. We've done multiple video features and stories on the kid. He has great talent, and he's fast as hell. That article applies to what he's been doing at Oak Hill, and if you took the time to read the entire article maybe you wouldn't be taking what was stated out of context.

Look at professional sports. Things get called as they are seen. And while he may still be intermediate, he has a professional outlook and plans on going pro. Being loved or patronized is part of the game, especially at that level. Results are results.

He did an awesome job at Whitney, and if you read that statement in its context, it means he isn't getting the job done at Oak Hill. It's that simple. We have the biggest amount of respect for AJ and his family; there is absolutely no disrespect intended.
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3/21/2009 6:33pm
OK.
Just checking since I did hear he did get sick last week at Whitney and all.
Maybe that's why for the poor performance at Oakhill?
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3/22/2009 1:17am
Wes you guys are doing and good job and keeping it fresh and new. Keep it up.
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3/22/2009 4:59am
Great job for our D-6 riders @ Oak Hill. Letteiri,Desiderio,Papp,Peters Heard there was more drama in the Peters camp and Mike Craig and Simonoes

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