how many places did jlaw gain by cutting off the 1st turn?

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Yeah Jason rode 'around' the mess. Well, more like, he rode SHORT of the mess but, whatever. He dodged the mess. I suppose we shouldn't be...
Yeah Jason rode 'around' the mess. Well, more like, he rode SHORT of the mess but, whatever. He dodged the mess. I suppose we shouldn't be supprised by the ama's unwillingness to enforce rules but, I can't understand the punk mentality that not only permits, but rejoices in the 'hey, here I am. oh, the track goes that way but, there's stuff in the way over there. i'll go over here and, uhh, it'll be SAFER, yeah that's it, SAFER!' way of thinking. It's no wonder the world is in the mess it's in. Not much honor in it. Jason RODE very, very well. He's fast, no one can deny it. Probably fast enough to have turned back onto the track properly, in the spirit of the rules, rode AROUND the first turn, and still have RACED into the top ten. That would have been impressive.
The cure for these infractions would be 1- no people on the inside or outside of the first turn. That means no photographers or team managers. 2- signage, tape or barriers solid all the way to the apex of the first turn. 3- no riding beside the track at any time for any reason. Enter the track at the exact point or behind, that you exited, no exceptions. 4- ENFORCE ALL RULES or, get out of the way and let someone do it who will. Sorry for the rant. Now flame away
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peelout719 3/9/2009 9:13am
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j-law rode faster than bobby jacking it to another alessi holeshot
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Yeah Jason rode 'around' the mess. Well, more like, he rode SHORT of the mess but, whatever. He dodged the mess. I suppose we shouldn't be...
Yeah Jason rode 'around' the mess. Well, more like, he rode SHORT of the mess but, whatever. He dodged the mess. I suppose we shouldn't be supprised by the ama's unwillingness to enforce rules but, I can't understand the punk mentality that not only permits, but rejoices in the 'hey, here I am. oh, the track goes that way but, there's stuff in the way over there. i'll go over here and, uhh, it'll be SAFER, yeah that's it, SAFER!' way of thinking. It's no wonder the world is in the mess it's in. Not much honor in it. Jason RODE very, very well. He's fast, no one can deny it. Probably fast enough to have turned back onto the track properly, in the spirit of the rules, rode AROUND the first turn, and still have RACED into the top ten. That would have been impressive.
The cure for these infractions would be 1- no people on the inside or outside of the first turn. That means no photographers or team managers. 2- signage, tape or barriers solid all the way to the apex of the first turn. 3- no riding beside the track at any time for any reason. Enter the track at the exact point or behind, that you exited, no exceptions. 4- ENFORCE ALL RULES or, get out of the way and let someone do it who will. Sorry for the rant. Now flame away
jtomasik wrote:
I agree with 1 through 4. Considering the situation, he seemed to have made the right choice. IMO, he shoulda just ran over the photographers to...
I agree with 1 through 4. Considering the situation, he seemed to have made the right choice. IMO, he shoulda just ran over the photographers to get back on the track as soon as possible. That'd help his bad-boy image.
Ha! Funny j, but really wreckit is right as far as looking at the spirit and honor of racing or any kind of competition. Good post..
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Racer92 wrote:
Just wait til they are at Freestone in 98 degree heat and 100 humidity; that rental car rolling misfit will be fading faster than a cheap...
Just wait til they are at Freestone in 98 degree heat and 100 humidity; that rental car rolling misfit will be fading faster than a cheap pair of jeans in clorox while Mikey keeps his Zook pinned til the checkers.
i thought Freestone was being held at night this year.

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Sondy132001 3/9/2009 9:37am
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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Sondy132001 wrote:
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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Enough with the corner cutting BS. He was pushed into the infield and had no choice. Watch it again.The AMA didn't find anything wrong with it.
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Sondy132001 3/9/2009 9:42am
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I'm a promoter and my opinion is he cut the track I am not the ama, so back off it's my opinion and I didn't see anyone pushing his ass off the track.
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Sondy132001 3/9/2009 9:45am
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And for the record if dipshit wouldn't have done this we would having nothing to talk about here, so get over it and look at the name of this thread...
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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Sondy132001 wrote:
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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Sssssh, didnt you get the memo? You cant say negative things about 'that' rider. Since he has such incredible skill riding a dirtbike, following rules or having scruples doesnt matter.
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Racer92 3/9/2009 9:46am
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Racer92 wrote:
Just wait til they are at Freestone in 98 degree heat and 100 humidity; that rental car rolling misfit will be fading faster than a cheap...
Just wait til they are at Freestone in 98 degree heat and 100 humidity; that rental car rolling misfit will be fading faster than a cheap pair of jeans in clorox while Mikey keeps his Zook pinned til the checkers.
Cygnus wrote:
i thought Freestone was being held at night this year.
You know, you may be right. Just was going from the past two years when it was satanically hot and Mikey held up really good to the heat.
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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Sondy132001 wrote:
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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Cygnus wrote:
Enough with the corner cutting BS. He was pushed into the infield and had no choice. Watch it again.The AMA didn't find anything wrong with it.
The AMA was wrong on this one.


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Bunch a whiny bitches in MX anymore.
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It doesn't matter how many positions he gained or didn't gain.
To him, it was just practice, and he didn't bother anybody.
It's really a non issue.
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devonb 3/9/2009 10:03am
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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Sondy132001 wrote:
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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We'll never know. What we do know is that J-Law started BEHIND Mikey and flat out SMOKED him in his first 450 start. FACT! I don't really give a crap if people like him or not..........he's fast.
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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Sondy132001 wrote:
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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devonb wrote:
We'll never know. What we do know is that J-Law started BEHIND Mikey and flat out SMOKED him in his first 450 start. FACT! I don't...
We'll never know. What we do know is that J-Law started BEHIND Mikey and flat out SMOKED him in his first 450 start. FACT! I don't really give a crap if people like him or not..........he's fast.
Yeah kids got talent for sure, too bad that's all he has.

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Bunch a whiny bitches in MX anymore.
and cheaters too! Smile
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devonb wrote:
J-Law straight SMOKED Mikey. LOL! Deal with it bitch.
Sondy132001 wrote:
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...
Yeah but would he have strainght smoked Mike if he did what Villo & Reed did by doing the right thing and not cutting the corner...

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Racer92 wrote:
Sssssh, didnt you get the memo? You cant say negative things about 'that' rider. Since he has such incredible skill riding a dirtbike, following rules or...
Sssssh, didnt you get the memo? You cant say negative things about 'that' rider. Since he has such incredible skill riding a dirtbike, following rules or having scruples doesnt matter.
Yeah, it's not like he reached over and hit any bodies kill switch. OOOOHH! Did I just say that? LOL!

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devonb 3/9/2009 10:32am
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Why not the debate over Timmy Ferry?
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Racer92 3/9/2009 10:39am
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devonb wrote:
Why not the debate over Timmy Ferry?
Timmy tried to reenter the track without gaining an advantage and even hung up on the tough block doing so. RedDog has a conscience.
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Racer92 wrote:
Just wait til they are at Freestone in 98 degree heat and 100 humidity; that rental car rolling misfit will be fading faster than a cheap...
Just wait til they are at Freestone in 98 degree heat and 100 humidity; that rental car rolling misfit will be fading faster than a cheap pair of jeans in clorox while Mikey keeps his Zook pinned til the checkers.
Cygnus wrote:
i thought Freestone was being held at night this year.
Racer92 wrote:
You know, you may be right. Just was going from the past two years when it was satanically hot and Mikey held up really good to...
You know, you may be right. Just was going from the past two years when it was satanically hot and Mikey held up really good to the heat.
At night it will cool down to a nice 96 degrees with only 98% humidiity!!!


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Cygnus wrote:
i thought Freestone was being held at night this year.
Racer92 wrote:
You know, you may be right. Just was going from the past two years when it was satanically hot and Mikey held up really good to...
You know, you may be right. Just was going from the past two years when it was satanically hot and Mikey held up really good to the heat.
huck wrote:
At night it will cool down to a nice 96 degrees with only 98% humidiity!!!


Sweatshirt weather....
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Didn't he get docked for doing the same thing (cutting the track) this year? He came up short on a jump, gut bucked on the bike and ended up in the infield. Instead of entering the track at the same point he just rode to the next straight and started there?

It appears that the results are official now, but it's hard to say that he got that second place finish fairly.


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Didn't he get docked for doing the same thing (cutting the track) this year? He came up short on a jump, gut bucked on the bike...
Didn't he get docked for doing the same thing (cutting the track) this year? He came up short on a jump, gut bucked on the bike and ended up in the infield. Instead of entering the track at the same point he just rode to the next straight and started there?

It appears that the results are official now, but it's hard to say that he got that second place finish fairly.


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Bunch a whiny bitches in MX anymore.
Yep
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Based on lap times and how slow , Slowlessi was in the whoops , yes Jlaw still would have beat him.
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Weave 3/9/2009 11:39am
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We may be arguing over semantics. "Cutting the track" implies that a rider deliberately left the course in an effort to gain an unfair advantage. Most of us would agree that Jason's maneuver was a reaction to the events in front of him, not a deliberate attempt to move ahead of the field.

So the question for the AMA is: what penalty, if any, is applied to unintentional course deviations that lead to a rider's advancement? Undoubtedly Jason benefited from the 90 degree left turn, even if it resulted from a combination of adrenaline and competition. However, even if his action was unintentional, it may have impacted the results of several riders. Which brings on the ultimate hypothetical: where would Lawrence have finished if he followed the same route as Windham, Reed, Villipoto, etc?

The question is not "how do we penalize Lawrence", but "how did Lawrence's actions penalize other riders"? If the AMA had the ability to award Jason a second place finish but pull the points & move everyone else up a spot, that might solve the problem. Jason's not in the points race, so he's not going to cry about losing the 22 markers. And those behind who are chasing top 10 spots would probably be happy with their finishes.
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yeah but, nobody has been able to definitively prove how much of a benefit he actually got from this move. Somebody else said that there were about 12 -14 bikes on the ground. I think everybody does agree Jlaw was in 5th place leaving the first turn. He was in 2nd place by the end of the first lap so do you really think that if Kdub were in front of him it would have made any difference at all?
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reed left dead last, besides the people on the ground.

it's safe to say that he only passed 1-2 guys the first lap, which counted him in 8th.

that's to say reed left the first corner in 10th. 10 guys on the ground.
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Ozy wrote:
yeah but, nobody has been able to definitively prove how much of a benefit he actually got from this move. Somebody else said that there were...
yeah but, nobody has been able to definitively prove how much of a benefit he actually got from this move. Somebody else said that there were about 12 -14 bikes on the ground. I think everybody does agree Jlaw was in 5th place leaving the first turn. He was in 2nd place by the end of the first lap so do you really think that if Kdub were in front of him it would have made any difference at all?
How about this for a comparison, Reed & RV were in front of or next to J-Law in the corner and went the correct way. At the end of lap 1 they were in 8th & 9th and J-Law
was in 2nd. At this point it all doesn't matter and hopefully next week we can have a
race where there isn't all the controversy. Makes for good racing and good bench racing.

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