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Racer92 2/16/2009 9:30am
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If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for James at Freestone. And that heat was a real test that day.
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AMA714 2/16/2009 9:31am
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Huckster wrote:
If this issue with the sales of bikes to kids 12 and under due to lead isnt resolved, the nationals and most local promoters will be...
If this issue with the sales of bikes to kids 12 and under due to lead isnt resolved, the nationals and most local promoters will be out of business......

Hopefully its "much to do about nothing..." and will be resolved
Wow ....moto and a Shakespeare quote!!! That has to be a first.
Moto East Mag 2/16/2009 9:36am
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James has stated that he couldn't get an outdoor deal. Possible it's the teams that are lukewarm on the nats. They are the ones footing the bill and measuring the cost/benefit ratio.

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Moto East Mag wrote:
James has stated that he couldn't get an outdoor deal. Possible it's the teams that are lukewarm on the nats. They are the ones footing the...
James has stated that he couldn't get an outdoor deal. Possible it's the teams that are lukewarm on the nats. They are the ones footing the bill and measuring the cost/benefit ratio.

Windham wants to do something for the fans he mentioned i think on DMXS
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AMA714 2/16/2009 9:41am
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is Townley going to be back??? Have not heard about him in so long I dont remember if he is still here?


I think the 450 class is going to be good....Townley, Villopoto & Grant added to Shorty, Alessi, Ferry, Cooper, Tedesco, Hamblin and a couple others.... This is a great group of riders that all run the same pace. Like I said without Stewart or Reed in the mix I dont think you will see a 1 winner series......


I added Townley as an added since he did not really do anything last year.
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There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year.

1. If it were within 2 hours of my house.

2. If James jumps on a YZ 125.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the Nationals is great racing, but there just isn't anything that excites me about them this coming season. RV is probably the biggest draw for me this year, but he's not that big of a draw. I'm not even pressed about going to a SX this year and everyone is there. That's just me though.


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P wrote:
There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year. 1. If it were within 2 hours of my house...
There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year.

1. If it were within 2 hours of my house.

2. If James jumps on a YZ 125.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the Nationals is great racing, but there just isn't anything that excites me about them this coming season. RV is probably the biggest draw for me this year, but he's not that big of a draw. I'm not even pressed about going to a SX this year and everyone is there. That's just me though.


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and the posterboy for how TV has killed the live gate...
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jmar 2/16/2009 10:09am
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Moto East Mag wrote:
James has stated that he couldn't get an outdoor deal. Possible it's the teams that are lukewarm on the nats. They are the ones footing the...
James has stated that he couldn't get an outdoor deal. Possible it's the teams that are lukewarm on the nats. They are the ones footing the bill and measuring the cost/benefit ratio.

Glad to see that someone understands here. None of this has to do wth grass roots, like or dislike of the series. It just make no financial sense for anyone to pour money into this series because the returns aren't there TV package or not.
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35smom 2/16/2009 10:14am
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Guess im on the other side of the fence with this one. I couldnt care less what "big names" show up or furthermore most of the 450 class. Its the 250 riders we are all excited to see. Why? Because at Unadilla the large group of kids we've watch race with for the last few years will be trying for their first outdoor nationals. Its great to see the top guys race but nothings better seeing a kid that has practiced with Joey for the last 5 years try to make it pro.
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-eagle- 2/16/2009 10:16am
2/16/2009 10:16am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:31pm
All I know about the nationals are:





They can't come soon enough.
Keep your 18 minute mains and "fans" that are scared of mud & sunburns.
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zookrider62! 2/16/2009 10:20am
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Im glad JS is staying home. Id rather see a bunch of pros battle it out, then to watch one win by a mile
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jmar 2/16/2009 10:23am
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-eagle- wrote:
All I know about the nationals are:





They can't come soon enough.
Keep your 18 minute mains and "fans" that are scared of mud & sunburns.
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very attractive to the people that have the ability to keep this series afloat.
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P wrote:
There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year. 1. If it were within 2 hours of my house...
There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year.

1. If it were within 2 hours of my house.

2. If James jumps on a YZ 125.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the Nationals is great racing, but there just isn't anything that excites me about them this coming season. RV is probably the biggest draw for me this year, but he's not that big of a draw. I'm not even pressed about going to a SX this year and everyone is there. That's just me though.


P
Why are you here, if your not excited about MX or SX?
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Racer92 wrote:
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for...
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for James at Freestone. And that heat was a real test that day.
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy.

If James does the series, I think it will be a great battle for 2nd.
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P wrote:
There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year. 1. If it were within 2 hours of my house...
There are only a couple of things that would get me to a national this year.

1. If it were within 2 hours of my house.

2. If James jumps on a YZ 125.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the Nationals is great racing, but there just isn't anything that excites me about them this coming season. RV is probably the biggest draw for me this year, but he's not that big of a draw. I'm not even pressed about going to a SX this year and everyone is there. That's just me though.


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88sdad wrote:
Why are you here, if your not excited about MX or SX?
I said that I not excited about the coming season.


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indy_maico 2/16/2009 10:28am
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Racer92 wrote:
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for...
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for James at Freestone. And that heat was a real test that day.
txmxer wrote:
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy. If James does the...
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy.

If James does the series, I think it will be a great battle for 2nd.
Is Joe Gibbs Racing doing the outdoors?

If so, Josh Grant and Cody Cooper will be in the mix at the front.
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Racer92 wrote:
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for...
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for James at Freestone. And that heat was a real test that day.
txmxer wrote:
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy. If James does the...
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy.

If James does the series, I think it will be a great battle for 2nd.
indy_maico wrote:
Is Joe Gibbs Racing doing the outdoors?

If so, Josh Grant and Cody Cooper will be in the mix at the front.
Yes, they are.

My money is on RV and Dungey. I think RV is going to stomp the field.


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WORCSRacer 2/16/2009 10:34am
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-eagle- wrote:
All I know about the nationals are:





They can't come soon enough.
Keep your 18 minute mains and "fans" that are scared of mud & sunburns.
jmar wrote:
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very...
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very attractive to the people that have the ability to keep this series afloat.
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well. Everyone wants to directly compare MX to NASCAR as far as success goes but you can't.


MX will never be as popular as NASCAR and really would you want it to be?

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txmxer 2/16/2009 10:37am
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Racer92 wrote:
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for...
If he doesnt hit the deck, I think #800 can take the title if James sits out. He was the only one who had anything for James at Freestone. And that heat was a real test that day.
txmxer wrote:
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy. If James does the...
I think RV and MA will give us a hell of a great season of racing if both those guys are healthy.

If James does the series, I think it will be a great battle for 2nd.
indy_maico wrote:
Is Joe Gibbs Racing doing the outdoors?

If so, Josh Grant and Cody Cooper will be in the mix at the front.
Grant will be fast on some tracks. Isn't Hangtown is home track? From a series standpoint, I still think it's about RV and MA.

As far as RV walking away from MA, I don't see it happening based on Mike's performance last year. He was flying. If he's up to speed again this year, it will be a great racing.

We haven't seen Cooper on a really good ride, but, he obviously can run in the top 5. Is the bike enough for him to move up another notch? Hope so. More is better.
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jmar 2/16/2009 10:39am
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-eagle- wrote:
All I know about the nationals are:





They can't come soon enough.
Keep your 18 minute mains and "fans" that are scared of mud & sunburns.
jmar wrote:
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very...
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very attractive to the people that have the ability to keep this series afloat.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well...
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well. Everyone wants to directly compare MX to NASCAR as far as success goes but you can't.


MX will never be as popular as NASCAR and really would you want it to be?
The only people that really matter are the ones investing the money to keep the series going. It really doesn't matter what you, I or eagle thinks.

Bottom line: Is the series marketable?
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squid48 2/16/2009 10:40am
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-eagle- wrote:
All I know about the nationals are:





They can't come soon enough.
Keep your 18 minute mains and "fans" that are scared of mud & sunburns.
jmar wrote:
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very...
And that's great that you enjoy the outdoor series that much but people like you are small in numbers, and the marketing demographics are not very attractive to the people that have the ability to keep this series afloat.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well...
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well. Everyone wants to directly compare MX to NASCAR as far as success goes but you can't.


MX will never be as popular as NASCAR and really would you want it to be?
I would!


I guaruntee you if motocross became as popular as nascar, We wouldnt have the same winner every week! With all the money and effort put into Nascar, not even the best driver in the world wins all the time. They are so close and everyone has a chance to win.


I honestly hope all teams scale down this year! Because it will give others more of a chance. More top 20's for us!
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JRMX59 2/16/2009 10:57am
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Thats pretty much it.
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The fans that show up to Nationals are the ones that buy bikes and gear. I don't care if JS shows up or not. To be a champion you only have to beat the guys that show up. You can't win if you don't show up. The Naitonals have been "marketable" for 30+ years, this year won't be any different.
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-eagle- 2/16/2009 11:03am
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I knew that was the response I was going to get before I even posted it.
Fair enough but here is my side of it.

Who is more important to the sport?
Racers that actually buy industry products AND go to the races.
Or the single serving goons who show up once a year to buy a ticket and an energy drink.
What good are those people to all the industry related sponsors all over the tuff blocks and semis. Renthal, Parts, Pro Circuit, etc, etc.

I don't care how much the ama or feld or monster makes.
I want Pro Circuit to keep their doors opened and developing parts for me to buy.
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WORCSRacer 2/16/2009 11:04am
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jmar wrote:
The only people that really matter are the ones investing the money to keep the series going. It really doesn't matter what you, I or eagle...
The only people that really matter are the ones investing the money to keep the series going. It really doesn't matter what you, I or eagle thinks.

Bottom line: Is the series marketable?
You know what I think...

If surfing and skateboarding is any indication of what can be successful from a marketing POV then yes it is absolutely marketable. You want to go farther? How about the Rolex series for cars, how about Bullriding, how about Tennis...


The list goes on of sports that have limited appeal or relevance but still have excellent support. You are correct the reason that sports become successful depends on who is pushing it and why. If Warren Buffett or Bill Gates was passionate about MX then MX would be the next big thing. Right now MX will continue to be a sport supported by many to pay just a few.
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well...
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well. Everyone wants to directly compare MX to NASCAR as far as success goes but you can't.


MX will never be as popular as NASCAR and really would you want it to be?
The TV package is NBC and SPEED, with three races live. That is a good television package.
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WORCSRacer 2/16/2009 11:10am
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well...
Well consider that the Nationals still don't have a decent TV package and if JS shows up they don't have close racing they do pretty well. Everyone wants to directly compare MX to NASCAR as far as success goes but you can't.


MX will never be as popular as NASCAR and really would you want it to be?
Holigan wrote:
The TV package is NBC and SPEED, with three races live. That is a good television package.
Not to be picky but the NBC package is way bigger than speed from a pure demographic perspective. Speed reaches 85 million american homes. NBC reaches EVERY home.

This year is better.
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Racer92 2/16/2009 11:16am
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"I guaruntee you if motocross became as popular as nascar, We wouldnt have the same winner every week! With all the money and effort put into Nascar, not even the best driver in the world wins all the time. They are so close and everyone has a chance to win."

So you think money can buy talent? In moto its all about the rider. No amount of cash and R&D can replace what James Stewart was born with. You can spend all you want and you are NOT gonna beat that guy until someone with even more talent lines up.
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mx714 2/16/2009 11:30am
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I bet James races all the races that will be on NBC. Those races will probably be shown over and over again on NBC Universal HD where they currently show all kinds of extreme sports. They can't beat that kind of coverage.
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jtomasik 2/16/2009 11:33am
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James should race. With the absence of RC, Stew has a real chance at breaking RC's records*.

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