If Tomac had punted Dungey.......??

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PabstBR11 5/8/2017 4:46pm
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wreckitrandy wrote:
There seems to be a point of contention between Eli fans and anyone with eyes and even a little racing experience. I'm a fan of both...
There seems to be a point of contention between Eli fans and anyone with eyes and even a little racing experience. I'm a fan of both riders so, here's my unbiased take on it. Those were not block passes. There was a good bit of contact in the last two attempts. Tomac's intent wasn't to just pass Dungey. He had to put him down and tried to but Dungey knew it was coming and stood his bike straight up each time. Now, if Eli had been successful, more power to him. Like RC said about Savatgy, Dungey put himself in that position. You don't take outside lines when you know someone wants to park you. Eli rode exactly like he should have. Dungey, in my opinion, subjected himself to Eli's attempts. He countered those attempts beautifully though. To the OP's initial question, DeCoster absolutely will pick Tomac for the team. As far as that goes, if Webb is ahead of Dungey in points when he makes the picks, he'll pick Webb.
Funyun wrote:
that last attempt was extremely weak. He could of easy destroyed dungey in that turn if he wanted. Dungey even made it easy for him but...
that last attempt was extremely weak. He could of easy destroyed dungey in that turn if he wanted. Dungey even made it easy for him but got lucky tomac was nice. You should rewatch it he barely even touched him.
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That's because Dungey dodged the worst of it.
i keep seeing this said in all of the threads, and I've seen people rebuff exactly that. Anyone that thinks Tomac couldn't have cleaned him out whether Dungey checked up or not is crazy. He chose to keep it below that level probably because he knew what would come out of it. I know the AMA/FIM are looked at as idiots but i have to think with him slowing down if he would have taken him out crazy style some penalty would have come with it.
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malachi177 5/8/2017 4:56pm
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To all the comments about Eli not trying to take out Ryan. Savatgy had zero friggin clue that Zac was there....Osbourne came outta nowhere! Ryan was aware and on the defensive that Eli would do it. It's that simple. If Ryan wasn't expecting any of Tomacs attempts, Ryan would've been on the ground.
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TDeath21 wrote:
I mean, by the letter of the law, it did work and Dungey should be docked two positions. Dungey definitely gained an advantage while off the...
I mean, by the letter of the law, it did work and Dungey should be docked two positions. Dungey definitely gained an advantage while off the track. But that is never enforced, so I don't blame Dungey for doing it.
No he didn't gain two positions, was in first and came back on in second.
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TDeath21 5/8/2017 5:09pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
I mean, by the letter of the law, it did work and Dungey should be docked two positions. Dungey definitely gained an advantage while off the...
I mean, by the letter of the law, it did work and Dungey should be docked two positions. Dungey definitely gained an advantage while off the track. But that is never enforced, so I don't blame Dungey for doing it.
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No he didn't gain two positions, was in first and came back on in second.
I never said he gained two positions.

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Katoomey 5/8/2017 5:21pm
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Then why did he have to repass someone three times when he clearly had a better pace? [URL=http://s817.photobucket.com/user/btf454/media/4A8A44FE-885D-4778-8442-3D31B06B4ECB_zpsjewjboqg.png.html][IMG]http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz99/btf454/4A8A44FE-885D-4778-8442-3D31B06B4ECB_zpsjewjboqg.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s817.photobucket.com/user/btf454/media/4FD84220-D3A8-4B40-B6BA-5CA9F67F36D9_zpsxrsurz2e.png.html][IMG]http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz99/btf454/4FD84220-D3A8-4B40-B6BA-5CA9F67F36D9_zpsxrsurz2e.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s817.photobucket.com/user/btf454/media/5E14E396-255E-466F-9981-82A955E971E8_zpsyhl2qn4i.png.html][IMG]http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz99/btf454/5E14E396-255E-466F-9981-82A955E971E8_zpsyhl2qn4i.png[/IMG][/URL] Clearly that is a photo of...
Then why did he have to repass someone three times when he clearly had a better pace?








Clearly that is a photo of a guy not trying to put someone on the ground ...
so every time someone muscles for track position, that automatically means they are purposely trying to "put someone down"?

what a fuckin drama queen you are.

If someone doesn't want to race in a corner they can back the fuck off the throttle and get out of the way. just because you get to a corner first doesn't make it yours. this isn't Formula 1. you want track position you take it, if you want to keep it, you protect it....it has nothing to do with trying to deliberately crash someone.

Dungey knows the score. If Dungey wants to eliminate the possibility of tasting dirt in a corner, all he has to do is back off. it takes two to tango. we aren't talking about getting t-boned or rear wheel take-outs here.

You can bet your sweet ass Tomac was trying to force Dungey into a mistake. Eli had to beat Dungey by 4 spots. trying to force a mistake and "putting someone on the ground" aren't the same thing. not only that, you'l never know the difference unless a rider confesses to it. so shut the fuck up about it.
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MX_Andrew83 5/8/2017 5:36pm
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C_Hart3 wrote:
But Eli didn't have to race from behind. I assure you had he been back in the pack like Zack he would have.
BobPA wrote:
Blocking is for NASCAR....
So what do you call what Marv did the week prior? That's pretty Nascar isn't it? I mentioned this in another thread and I'll repeat it here.

RC "If you can't win, wreck someone who can" We worship this guy because he did whatever it took to win a championship. You have to respect both of these riders for the show they gave us last Saturday night. It was a rare occasion to not have another boring Vegas finale.
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wreckitrandy 5/8/2017 5:42pm
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To say that Eli wasn't trying to put Dungey down belittles both riders. It was the only chance Eli had to win the title. Do you really believe Eli didn't want to win the title?
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Funyun 5/8/2017 6:10pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
I mean, by the letter of the law, it did work and Dungey should be docked two positions. Dungey definitely gained an advantage while off the...
I mean, by the letter of the law, it did work and Dungey should be docked two positions. Dungey definitely gained an advantage while off the track. But that is never enforced, so I don't blame Dungey for doing it.
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What advantage did he gain again? He went off the track behind Tomac and entered behind Tomac. We get it you do not like RD or...
What advantage did he gain again? He went off the track behind Tomac and entered behind Tomac. We get it you do not like RD or KTM...starting to get pathetic and desperate broski.
He definitely entered the track ahead of tomac. I'd rewatch it
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Tomacs best course of action would have been to follow Dungey all race in 2nd and clean him out with a few corners to go on the last lap. Instead of all these love taps where hes dickin around all race, shadow him and block pass him last lap. I was watching it with my dad and we both thought thats exactly what was gonna happen but then were surprised to see the strategy he took. After watching that 250 race is almost felt inevitable.
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BobPA 5/8/2017 6:23pm
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Funyun wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/08/193746/s1200_Screenshot_20170508_201532.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/08/193747/s1200_Screenshot_20170508_201600.jpg[/img]




Tomac immediately doubled by him as RD was not able to doublenout if the turn.
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BobPA 5/8/2017 6:25pm
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Katoomey wrote:
so every time someone muscles for track position, that automatically means they are purposely trying to "put someone down"? what a fuckin drama queen you are...
so every time someone muscles for track position, that automatically means they are purposely trying to "put someone down"?

what a fuckin drama queen you are.

If someone doesn't want to race in a corner they can back the fuck off the throttle and get out of the way. just because you get to a corner first doesn't make it yours. this isn't Formula 1. you want track position you take it, if you want to keep it, you protect it....it has nothing to do with trying to deliberately crash someone.

Dungey knows the score. If Dungey wants to eliminate the possibility of tasting dirt in a corner, all he has to do is back off. it takes two to tango. we aren't talking about getting t-boned or rear wheel take-outs here.

You can bet your sweet ass Tomac was trying to force Dungey into a mistake. Eli had to beat Dungey by 4 spots. trying to force a mistake and "putting someone on the ground" aren't the same thing. not only that, you'l never know the difference unless a rider confesses to it. so shut the fuck up about it.
Thanks for telling me I have a sweet ass. It's nice to see a friendly conversation has triggered your pathetic little brain. Looks to me like you're a drama queen....

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Funyun 5/8/2017 6:28pm
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Funyun wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/08/193746/s1200_Screenshot_20170508_201532.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/08/193747/s1200_Screenshot_20170508_201600.jpg[/img]




BobPA wrote:
Tomac immediately doubled by him as RD was not able to doublenout if the turn.
Just because he got passed shortly after doesn't change the fact. You claimed he entered behind him which he clearly did not.
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BobPA 5/8/2017 6:30pm
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Funyun wrote:
Just because he got passed shortly after doesn't change the fact. You claimed he entered behind him which he clearly did not.
You got me, congrats
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Here is the way I see it. Tomac tried to get Dungey to engage and stuff him back. Had Dungey taken the bait Tomac could have taken Dungey out and it would have been seen as good hard racing. I believe that if Tomac would have slowed down let Dungey pass him and took him out he would have been black flagged. It would have been seen as it was planned to take him out, not an racing incident.
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wreckitrandy 5/8/2017 6:47pm
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drt410 wrote:
Tomacs best course of action would have been to follow Dungey all race in 2nd and clean him out with a few corners to go on...
Tomacs best course of action would have been to follow Dungey all race in 2nd and clean him out with a few corners to go on the last lap. Instead of all these love taps where hes dickin around all race, shadow him and block pass him last lap. I was watching it with my dad and we both thought thats exactly what was gonna happen but then were surprised to see the strategy he took. After watching that 250 race is almost felt inevitable.
If Eli had sat behind Dungey until the last lap, they may have been too far ahead of 4th for Dungey to get 5th. Eli did everything he could trying to win. There was nothing dirty or cheap about it in my mind. If he had gotten it done it would have been on Dungey for uncharacteristicly going brain dead and leaving the inside wide open. It was a great contest.
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MX-LIFE. 5/8/2017 7:15pm
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Tomac should have pulled a Osborne! It was a legal move obviously! Reed tried to do it to JS7 back in 09! Tomac should have pulled the perfect pick and roll move!

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