And people say A-kit isn't worth the money LMAO!

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Try to get your re-valved stock shit to handle that case LOLOL
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I feel like a normal human would get a hernia from a violent seatbounce like that.
eric513anderson 4/6/2017 5:11pm
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Watch the GoPro footage of it, first time I've ever heard Factory suspension bottom out lol. Still amazing he rode it out and saved it. JS7!!
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eric513anderson wrote:
Watch the GoPro footage of it, first time I've ever heard Factory suspension bottom out lol. Still amazing he rode it out and saved it. JS7!!
I've bottomed works suspension...sounds the same as bottoming production suspension... Laughing

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ML512 wrote:
I've bottomed works suspension...sounds the same as bottoming production suspension... Laughing
Me too. But I'm basically a giant compared to most motocrossers. lol
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eric513anderson wrote:
Watch the GoPro footage of it, first time I've ever heard Factory suspension bottom out lol. Still amazing he rode it out and saved it. JS7!!
ML512 wrote:
I've bottomed works suspension...sounds the same as bottoming production suspension... Laughing
Damn lol
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The go pro is a lot crazier!!!
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I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit from a severe bottom out standpoint. I just don't see the technological difference that makes an identical valved/sprung A-Kit be able to magically handle a case situation way differently than the identically sprung/valved non-A-kit suspension.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit...
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit from a severe bottom out standpoint. I just don't see the technological difference that makes an identical valved/sprung A-Kit be able to magically handle a case situation way differently than the identically sprung/valved non-A-kit suspension.
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does know...) to answer your question as to WHAT makes it have better bottoming resistance specifically, but I can assure you it does. I'm sure the larger internals, tighter tolerances of CNC'd parts, special coatings, etc all come into play.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit...
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit from a severe bottom out standpoint. I just don't see the technological difference that makes an identical valved/sprung A-Kit be able to magically handle a case situation way differently than the identically sprung/valved non-A-kit suspension.
Justin345 wrote:
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does...
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does know...) to answer your question as to WHAT makes it have better bottoming resistance specifically, but I can assure you it does. I'm sure the larger internals, tighter tolerances of CNC'd parts, special coatings, etc all come into play.
The majority of current production forks have the same sized internals of their A-kit and even works level counterparts. Especially when speaking of the forks, but some Showa kit shocks have larger compression adjusters and shafts...KYB kit units have the same compression adjuster size as stock, larger shafts are optional.

In the case of WP, the damping units in there kit stuff is different in design than many of the production forks they've sold.
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Xeno 4/6/2017 6:00pm
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Ummmm... James Stewart hasn't used "A-kit" suspension since he was in 125sx back in 2004.
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Ummmm... James Stewart hasn't used "A-kit" suspension since he was in 125sx back in 2004.
A-kit is a Showa term, so actually he hasn't used "kit" suspension since he was 04...and even then I think Kawi may have been stretching the rules a bit.
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Time to buy some A-kit boys!

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ML512 wrote:
A-kit is a Showa term, so actually he hasn't used "kit" suspension since he was 04...and even then I think Kawi may have been stretching the...
A-kit is a Showa term, so actually he hasn't used "kit" suspension since he was 04...and even then I think Kawi may have been stretching the rules a bit.
Well, sometimes the parts get mixed-up in the solvent tank
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tempura 4/6/2017 6:18pm
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Doesn't James run his forks really stiff?
Janoy Cresva 4/6/2017 6:29pm
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Bottoming doesn't have shit to do with the quality of suspension or what it costs or is called.



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ML512 wrote:
A-kit is a Showa term, so actually he hasn't used "kit" suspension since he was 04...and even then I think Kawi may have been stretching the...
A-kit is a Showa term, so actually he hasn't used "kit" suspension since he was 04...and even then I think Kawi may have been stretching the rules a bit.
Xeno wrote:
Well, sometimes the parts get mixed-up in the solvent tank
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eric513anderson wrote:
Watch the GoPro footage of it, first time I've ever heard Factory suspension bottom out lol. Still amazing he rode it out and saved it. JS7!!
ML512 wrote:
I've bottomed works suspension...sounds the same as bottoming production suspension... Laughing
Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to bottom Works suspension, the same goes for Kirk Chandler! You guys are fast no doubt about it but not that fast!

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Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to...
Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to bottom Works suspension, the same goes for Kirk Chandler! You guys are fast no doubt about it but not that fast!

You really don't understand how suspension works, do you? Can you explain to me what makes for a difference in the bottom resistance between a current production Showa spring fork (the new CRF one), A-Kit Showa fork, and the works forks? Or any other production vs works fork.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit...
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit from a severe bottom out standpoint. I just don't see the technological difference that makes an identical valved/sprung A-Kit be able to magically handle a case situation way differently than the identically sprung/valved non-A-kit suspension.
Justin345 wrote:
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does...
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does know...) to answer your question as to WHAT makes it have better bottoming resistance specifically, but I can assure you it does. I'm sure the larger internals, tighter tolerances of CNC'd parts, special coatings, etc all come into play.
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck Valve or some similar technology) that sets it apart in regards to bottoming resistance.
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eric513anderson wrote:
Watch the GoPro footage of it, first time I've ever heard Factory suspension bottom out lol. Still amazing he rode it out and saved it. JS7!!
ML512 wrote:
I've bottomed works suspension...sounds the same as bottoming production suspension... Laughing
ktmman wrote:
Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to...
Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to bottom Works suspension, the same goes for Kirk Chandler! You guys are fast no doubt about it but not that fast!



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ML512 4/6/2017 6:44pm
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck...
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck Valve or some similar technology) that sets it apart in regards to bottoming resistance.
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and the other two riders disliked the same fork, it ended up being the one with the Huck Valve inside. Now what I'm going to say, is I don't think it's a bad part necessarily, but it was interesting how a hydraulic lock system that activates that early actually affected the initial part of the stroke and feel.

By blind, I mean none of the riders involved knew which fork had which parts in it, I was the only one in the test that was even aware what we were testing (I wasn't made aware of which fork was which though).
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Didn't that guy used to race?
Spy photo of the goat getting pumped but not really pumped or anything.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit...
I think MX-Tech's Huck Valve is a very innovative idea. Aside from that, i do not see much functional difference between tuned OEM and tuned A-Kit from a severe bottom out standpoint. I just don't see the technological difference that makes an identical valved/sprung A-Kit be able to magically handle a case situation way differently than the identically sprung/valved non-A-kit suspension.
Justin345 wrote:
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does...
Have you ridden with A kit suspension? It's ridiculous and worth every penny. I don't have the technical background (I pay a suspension tech who does know...) to answer your question as to WHAT makes it have better bottoming resistance specifically, but I can assure you it does. I'm sure the larger internals, tighter tolerances of CNC'd parts, special coatings, etc all come into play.
ML512 wrote:
The majority of current production forks have the same sized internals of their A-kit and even works level counterparts. Especially when speaking of the forks, but...
The majority of current production forks have the same sized internals of their A-kit and even works level counterparts. Especially when speaking of the forks, but some Showa kit shocks have larger compression adjusters and shafts...KYB kit units have the same compression adjuster size as stock, larger shafts are optional.

In the case of WP, the damping units in there kit stuff is different in design than many of the production forks they've sold.
Happy to be corrected but the "kit" shocks that factory yamaha use are not production sized they have a bigger reservoir and piston, different triple adjuster etc.....this shock you can't buy...??
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Billet to i think.?
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ML512 4/6/2017 6:53pm
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Helder wrote:
Happy to be corrected but the "kit" shocks that factory yamaha use are not production sized they have a bigger reservoir and piston, different triple adjuster...
Happy to be corrected but the "kit" shocks that factory yamaha use are not production sized they have a bigger reservoir and piston, different triple adjuster etc.....this shock you can't buy...??
Those aren't "Kit" units, those are "Works" units. We can't buy those.
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ML512 4/6/2017 6:54pm
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Billet to i think.?
Billet if they want a different offset (when talking about KYB, they don't always use billet units), for Yamaha this year the guys have jumped around but are both on a cast production lug as of the last race I checked (Daytona).
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck...
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck Valve or some similar technology) that sets it apart in regards to bottoming resistance.
ML512 wrote:
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and...
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and the other two riders disliked the same fork, it ended up being the one with the Huck Valve inside. Now what I'm going to say, is I don't think it's a bad part necessarily, but it was interesting how a hydraulic lock system that activates that early actually affected the initial part of the stroke and feel.

By blind, I mean none of the riders involved knew which fork had which parts in it, I was the only one in the test that was even aware what we were testing (I wasn't made aware of which fork was which though).
ML512 - Very interesting. It is amazing how all the variables are intertwined to result in how the fork feels/performs.
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eric513anderson wrote:
Watch the GoPro footage of it, first time I've ever heard Factory suspension bottom out lol. Still amazing he rode it out and saved it. JS7!!
ML512 wrote:
I've bottomed works suspension...sounds the same as bottoming production suspension... Laughing
ktmman wrote:
Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to...
Michael I know you ride with the cool kids like Zach Peddie and shit, but there is no way in hell you are fast enough to bottom Works suspension, the same goes for Kirk Chandler! You guys are fast no doubt about it but not that fast!

At this point I'm just fat. Hahaha

But back in the day, I got to ride a factory bike a couple different times at Pala. The bikes were set up for a racer weighing 150-165. I was probably 225+ (6'-6"). At the time you had to case the step up to make the inside rut, forks bottomed out. No problem.

Also at least back when I was competitive late 90s early 2000s it was recommended to use as much of the suspension that you could, so in theory you should bottom out once per lap at the harshest point on the track.

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