Motocross Rutted Cornering Tips (video)

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Motocross Rutted Corner Riding Tip, shot at Club MX. Control the brakes all the way up to the Transition. The transition is where you go from braking to accelerating. NO COASTING!
Learn all the motocross techniques, practice methods and strategies here! https://gsmxs.com/shop/motocross-rutted-cornering-techniques/

https://youtu.be/tGI6hV9LHbk
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mark_swart 3/15/2017 7:06pm
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Good stuff thanks Gary!!
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tcallahan707 3/15/2017 8:56pm
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This is the complete opposite to what Ryno teaches. So which is it? Lol. The above seems more of a 2 stroke technique.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This is the complete opposite to what Ryno teaches. So which is it? Lol. The above seems more of a 2 stroke technique.
Ryno teaches to not use the back brake?
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This is the complete opposite to what Ryno teaches. So which is it? Lol. The above seems more of a 2 stroke technique.
Matt Fisher wrote:
Ryno teaches to not use the back brake?
Ryno teaches?

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rob mx 3/16/2017 11:42am
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did ryno ever give that kids dad back that money?
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brimx153 3/16/2017 11:50am
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i ve heard 3 different techniques for rutted corners ,ive noticed different pro s use them all . i would love to know which way everyone does theres

theres the Gary Semics, Gary bayley technique from brakes to gas never coasting .Which i have seen RV and loads of other pros use its prob the most used technique , But imo the hardest to master

then the Ryno, Doug D ,Seb Torttelli technique , which is release the brakes and coast around the apex of the rut . RD 5 uses it

then there is the technique of braking earlier and powering around the whole corner from begin to finish , ive seen Kroc use this but he kind of mixes all the techniues together

i found great results with the ryno technique with my last bike .but since i ve got a new one i cant seem to do it at all , and the only way i can corner is back to the Gary S technique .Problem i have is i always tend to come to a stop mid corner when i do it . which is prob why i had great results the other way .

love to hear all your guys thoughts on this , as well as Gary would be great
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tcallahan707 3/16/2017 12:31pm
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This is the complete opposite to what Ryno teaches. So which is it? Lol. The above seems more of a 2 stroke technique.
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Ryno teaches to not use the back brake?
He teaches to brake early and set your corner speed, then roll through the corner then accelerate out. Brake, roll, gas. It's all about momentum on the 4 strokes and the roll speed is key. Not so much stop and start.
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MVmoto 3/16/2017 3:05pm
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This is the complete opposite to what Ryno teaches. So which is it? Lol. The above seems more of a 2 stroke technique.
Matt Fisher wrote:
Ryno teaches to not use the back brake?
tcallahan707 wrote:
He teaches to brake early and set your corner speed, then roll through the corner then accelerate out. Brake, roll, gas. It's all about momentum on...
He teaches to brake early and set your corner speed, then roll through the corner then accelerate out. Brake, roll, gas. It's all about momentum on the 4 strokes and the roll speed is key. Not so much stop and start.
I agree with the no coasting thing, because the whole concept is to corner (turn) as quickly and efficiently as possible, but every rut is different!
Brake, roll, gas is one way, but it's specific to that rut. What if the rut has a double apex, or Transition as I believe Mr. Semics is calling it?
The best thing to do is to practice different techniques in different situations. Then when your in a race or at the track you can figure out which technique works best for the specific rut. It's like having the right tool in your toolbox when you need it.
BTW; Gary, I'm a huge fan of your book with MC! It was a huge inspiration for me growing up to practice certain techniques and eventually helped with developing one of the country's best off-road motorcycle training curriculum's!
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rmoto003 3/16/2017 3:33pm
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Pff Ive got the best technique and Ill share it for the low price of free:

Step 1) go fast

Step 2) dont go slow
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I believe Gary's thing with coasting is that you give up a certain amount of control of the bike when you neither braking or accelerating.

The bike suspension definitely doesn't work as well when you're coasting in gear (especially a 4 stroke) but given it is such a short period in a corner, I don't know that this becomes an issue.
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tcallahan707 3/16/2017 7:03pm
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wsc96 wrote:
I believe Gary's thing with coasting is that you give up a certain amount of control of the bike when you neither braking or accelerating. The...
I believe Gary's thing with coasting is that you give up a certain amount of control of the bike when you neither braking or accelerating.

The bike suspension definitely doesn't work as well when you're coasting in gear (especially a 4 stroke) but given it is such a short period in a corner, I don't know that this becomes an issue.
I'd argue the opposite. The suspension works better when not under a load.
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wsc96 3/16/2017 7:17pm
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tcallahan707 wrote:
I'd argue the opposite. The suspension works better when not under a load.
If it is freewheeling not in gear (or clutch in) then i'd agree but not when you're coasting with the bike in gear.

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tcallahan707 3/16/2017 7:32pm
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tcallahan707 wrote:
I'd argue the opposite. The suspension works better when not under a load.
wsc96 wrote:
If it is freewheeling not in gear (or clutch in) then i'd agree but not when you're coasting with the bike in gear.

** edit typo
There is a reason top guys try to ride in a higher gear. Roczen vs Barcia is a prime example.
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FCTRY 3/16/2017 10:42pm
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I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly seems faster, when it works, but for it to work you really have to have the bike on the right lean and your body in the right position. If anything upsets either of those factors, you're hosed. The problem I was having was that it only worked about 1/4 of the time for me. If the bike wiggled weird under braking, I just got the lean angle a little wrong, rode the brakes too deep, etc... the corner was shot. One day at thunder valley Derek Anderson was out there, and I noticed his bike was silent through most of the corner. There were some other guys going pretty well who were hard on the gas early, sending waves of roost, but Anderson was clearly faster. The hard part of the coast technique is realizing just how much speed you can carry into a corner when you're off the brakes and throttle. It runs contrary to the slow-in-fast-out wisdom of most motorsports, but for me coming from downhill mountain biking it makes a lot of sense and seems to be working better.
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MVmoto 3/17/2017 12:36pm
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FCTRY wrote:
I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly...
I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly seems faster, when it works, but for it to work you really have to have the bike on the right lean and your body in the right position. If anything upsets either of those factors, you're hosed. The problem I was having was that it only worked about 1/4 of the time for me. If the bike wiggled weird under braking, I just got the lean angle a little wrong, rode the brakes too deep, etc... the corner was shot. One day at thunder valley Derek Anderson was out there, and I noticed his bike was silent through most of the corner. There were some other guys going pretty well who were hard on the gas early, sending waves of roost, but Anderson was clearly faster. The hard part of the coast technique is realizing just how much speed you can carry into a corner when you're off the brakes and throttle. It runs contrary to the slow-in-fast-out wisdom of most motorsports, but for me coming from downhill mountain biking it makes a lot of sense and seems to be working better.
Every rut is different! That's why a pro is so fast; because they know the "fast" techniques and when to use them.
How about the 360° rut that some guys practice on?!? Iv'e always wanted to ride one of those....
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MVmoto 3/17/2017 12:38pm
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Or how about Jimmy Lamastus in the video "Children of a Metal God"?
That guy entered the berm at mach 10 and never let off the gas! I know it's a berm instead of a rut, but pretty cool regardless.
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FCTRY wrote:
I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly...
I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly seems faster, when it works, but for it to work you really have to have the bike on the right lean and your body in the right position. If anything upsets either of those factors, you're hosed. The problem I was having was that it only worked about 1/4 of the time for me. If the bike wiggled weird under braking, I just got the lean angle a little wrong, rode the brakes too deep, etc... the corner was shot. One day at thunder valley Derek Anderson was out there, and I noticed his bike was silent through most of the corner. There were some other guys going pretty well who were hard on the gas early, sending waves of roost, but Anderson was clearly faster. The hard part of the coast technique is realizing just how much speed you can carry into a corner when you're off the brakes and throttle. It runs contrary to the slow-in-fast-out wisdom of most motorsports, but for me coming from downhill mountain biking it makes a lot of sense and seems to be working better.
You hear Keefer talk about rolling the corners a lot, Dungey is a perfect example. DV has mentioned it before too.

I found trying to be smooth has helped me rather than trying to slam every berm or hammer through every rut and I made less mistakes.

I run a gear higher (3rd gear) through most corners and the bike seems to work a lot better and I agree finding the balance of enough speed to coast but not getting off the gas too early has been the hardest part.

I also find myself using a lot less clutch that way.
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brimx153 3/17/2017 12:49pm
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FCTRY wrote:
I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly...
I switched from trying to get on the gas as early as possible to coasting through the apex this past year. Hammering the gas early certainly seems faster, when it works, but for it to work you really have to have the bike on the right lean and your body in the right position. If anything upsets either of those factors, you're hosed. The problem I was having was that it only worked about 1/4 of the time for me. If the bike wiggled weird under braking, I just got the lean angle a little wrong, rode the brakes too deep, etc... the corner was shot. One day at thunder valley Derek Anderson was out there, and I noticed his bike was silent through most of the corner. There were some other guys going pretty well who were hard on the gas early, sending waves of roost, but Anderson was clearly faster. The hard part of the coast technique is realizing just how much speed you can carry into a corner when you're off the brakes and throttle. It runs contrary to the slow-in-fast-out wisdom of most motorsports, but for me coming from downhill mountain biking it makes a lot of sense and seems to be working better.
do u feel that you have to run a bit slower rebound on the front for the coast technique (i cant seem to do it unless i do ). i also find you need to find the right gearing ,so that the bike coastes at the right speed because you are using the engine braking to keep pressure on the forks and keep grip on the front . ie , on slow corners you really need to be in second to get enough engine braking if you take it in 3 rd you roll to fast . so finding the right gearing is important ,i feel . Dunge does this technique the best imo , u can barely hear his bike in corners

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FCTRY 3/17/2017 1:31pm
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do u feel that you have to run a bit slower rebound on the front for the coast technique (i cant seem to do it unless...
do u feel that you have to run a bit slower rebound on the front for the coast technique (i cant seem to do it unless i do ). i also find you need to find the right gearing ,so that the bike coastes at the right speed because you are using the engine braking to keep pressure on the forks and keep grip on the front . ie , on slow corners you really need to be in second to get enough engine braking if you take it in 3 rd you roll to fast . so finding the right gearing is important ,i feel . Dunge does this technique the best imo , u can barely hear his bike in corners
I hadn't tried changing the fork settings, I'll give it a shot though!
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brimx153 3/17/2017 1:42pm
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FCTRY wrote:
I hadn't tried changing the fork settings, I'll give it a shot though!
i find it stops the fork from popping up to fast when you release the brakes going into the rut . deff help s faster corner . only problem is fork will feel a bit stiffer on bumps .so you will gain in some places and lose in others

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