SX tracks need help..

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After watching the first 2 rds, and the battle between KRoc & Dunge, I sure wish Feld would get a bit more creative w/ track design. These two went at it for 24 min..both taking virtually the same lines every lap, until some one made the slightest little bobble. I'm not sure what the solution would be... these guys are just shredding thru everything partly because the dang 450's are just too freakin' fast indoors. I'm just prefer the taller, steeper, slower obstacles like the late 90's early 2000 provided.. they seemed to be much more technical-
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1/14/2017 11:05pm
Id like to see different obstacles than the standard rythm section/triples/whoops etc

But in reality, no matter the track design, there is only 1 fast way to go around it, and the top guys are all gonna use that 1 way.
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1/14/2017 11:13pm
I don't see a problem. The track obviously allowed the top guys to separate themselves. One top guy made a pass on another top guy for the lead.
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1/14/2017 11:14pm
Agree, but this week was a huge improvement. Least it was technical and a bit slower, definitely helped the racing from a passing point of view.

Double the dirt would be great... more obstacles, steeper shorter ramps, shitty transitions, that mean the guys can't jump stuff crazily.

But 450s are too much regardless.
1/14/2017 11:15pm
Chill bro! It's only the 2nd race this season and we're already losing guys. What do you want Timothy Leary out there on the dozer?

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1/14/2017 11:16pm
TDeath21 wrote:
I don't see a problem. The track obviously allowed the top guys to separate themselves. One top guy made a pass on another top guy for...
I don't see a problem. The track obviously allowed the top guys to separate themselves. One top guy made a pass on another top guy for the lead.
Agree and the 250 class had a ton of passes all race long, I bet if you ask Davlos he would not say the track was hard to pass on!

It moto racing between the best riders in the world, really there should not be a great deal of passing, just a faster rider passing a slightly slower riding and moving ahead or if they are the same speed maybe pass back and forth once or twice.

Anderson came from a ways back, Peick made passes, Tomac made passes then got passed.

Thought tonights track was great for riders making passes.
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1/14/2017 11:20pm
Chill bro! It's only the 2nd race this season and we're already losing guys. What do you want Timothy Leary out there on the dozer?
There are injuries at every single race.

I bet if you tracked the injuries with some sort of "gnarly factor", year to year it would be like back pain and cold weather. People think it's worse, but it's not, it's just riding a bike is dangerous.

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1/14/2017 11:21pm
Holy cow, you really can't please some folks. The track seemed pretty freaking awesome.
1/14/2017 11:24pm
Chill bro! It's only the 2nd race this season and we're already losing guys. What do you want Timothy Leary out there on the dozer?
Crush wrote:
There are injuries at every single race. I bet if you tracked the injuries with some sort of "gnarly factor", year to year it would be...
There are injuries at every single race.

I bet if you tracked the injuries with some sort of "gnarly factor", year to year it would be like back pain and cold weather. People think it's worse, but it's not, it's just riding a bike is dangerous.

Nothing wrong with the tracks so far was my point. We all know from history they will get tougher as the season goes.
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1/14/2017 11:40pm
Chill bro! It's only the 2nd race this season and we're already losing guys. What do you want Timothy Leary out there on the dozer?
I always wondered when tracks would enter the fourth dimension!
1/14/2017 11:47pm
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Agree and the 250 class had a ton of passes all race long, I bet if you ask Davlos he would not say the track was...
Agree and the 250 class had a ton of passes all race long, I bet if you ask Davlos he would not say the track was hard to pass on!

It moto racing between the best riders in the world, really there should not be a great deal of passing, just a faster rider passing a slightly slower riding and moving ahead or if they are the same speed maybe pass back and forth once or twice.

Anderson came from a ways back, Peick made passes, Tomac made passes then got passed.

Thought tonights track was great for riders making passes.
Davalos would tell you the track was easy to get passed on......at least during the last few laps. But hey, he's gonna be thirty next week and still in the "lites" class.
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1/15/2017 12:39am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2017 12:40am
How about a loooooooooong, deep whoops section on the start-straight with four feet of vert wall jumps at 1/3 & 2/3'rds of the way thru?

What are they gonna do then, huh?
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1/15/2017 12:55am
When they flashed back to 2009 with the reed and stew battle, i thought that track looked so much better.
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1/15/2017 1:08am
JB479 wrote:
When they flashed back to 2009 with the reed and stew battle, i thought that track looked so much better.
There were a lot of great tracks in 08/09... Rider designed ones helped... lots of different obstacles also.
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1/15/2017 1:34am
I wonder if we will see any "walls" this year, or if they were just used to increase the lap times in the smaller stadiums with shorter tracks.
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1/15/2017 1:44am
Aaryn234 wrote:
Agree and the 250 class had a ton of passes all race long, I bet if you ask Davlos he would not say the track was...
Agree and the 250 class had a ton of passes all race long, I bet if you ask Davlos he would not say the track was hard to pass on!

It moto racing between the best riders in the world, really there should not be a great deal of passing, just a faster rider passing a slightly slower riding and moving ahead or if they are the same speed maybe pass back and forth once or twice.

Anderson came from a ways back, Peick made passes, Tomac made passes then got passed.

Thought tonights track was great for riders making passes.
Davalos would tell you the track was [u]easy to get passed on[/u]......at least during the last few laps. But hey, he's gonna be thirty next week...
Davalos would tell you the track was easy to get passed on......at least during the last few laps. But hey, he's gonna be thirty next week and still in the "lites" class.
Yep typing to fast was meant to type he would say the track was easy to pass on. My bad.
1/15/2017 6:37am
I don't think its so much the tracks as it is the racing format. Heats are exciting. Then semis are bland. Some passes are made but the results are the same... same 9th to 18th place riders making it to the main. LCQs are meh whatever.

Then we get to the main and its the same two cats running so far out front that even if one makes a major mistake, they still remain top 2. All while weaving in and out of lapped riders for more than 1/2 the race.
Time to change it up. Go to the monster cup type style. Do three 10 min +1. Start the night show off with something else, maybe like AX with the elimination race worth some extra points.
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1/15/2017 7:09am
just a question . whats wrong with being 30 in the lights class.
if your better on the 250s then stay in that class.
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1/15/2017 7:15am
WTF are you talking about? Racing has been great. What do you want endurocross? Sharks with laser beams?
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1/15/2017 8:36pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Holy cow, you really can't please some folks. The track seemed pretty freaking awesome.
This gentleman can cover this issue for me: btw, you going to Seattle?
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1/15/2017 8:40pm
Premix wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Racing has been great. What do you want endurocross? Sharks with laser beams?
"And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that cannot be done. Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly?"
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1/15/2017 8:52pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Holy cow, you really can't please some folks. The track seemed pretty freaking awesome.
TeamGreen wrote:
This gentleman can cover this issue for me: btw, you going to Seattle?
I'll probably buy some tickets for SX, but whether I actually go or not is pretty much going to come down to what the weather is like over on this side of the mountains. It's right during our historical "frost season", and it's difficult not to be out doing frost control yourself, even if you have great employees. Being 20 minutes late with your wind machines or water can completely wipe out your crop.

The last couple of years the frost season has ended extremely early, but you never know until you get there.



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1/15/2017 9:21pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Holy cow, you really can't please some folks. The track seemed pretty freaking awesome.
TeamGreen wrote:
This gentleman can cover this issue for me: btw, you going to Seattle?
APLMAN99 wrote:
I'll probably buy some tickets for SX, but whether I actually go or not is pretty much going to come down to what the weather is...
I'll probably buy some tickets for SX, but whether I actually go or not is pretty much going to come down to what the weather is like over on this side of the mountains. It's right during our historical "frost season", and it's difficult not to be out doing frost control yourself, even if you have great employees. Being 20 minutes late with your wind machines or water can completely wipe out your crop.

The last couple of years the frost season has ended extremely early, but you never know until you get there.



Send me a pm/e-mail and let's have a beer!
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1/15/2017 10:03pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Send me a pm/e-mail and let's have a beer!
If it looks like I can make it, I will.

Honestly I think I'm going to try to make it to Hangtown this year. I've never been, and it might be right at the time that my son needs to make a decision about a couple of Bay Area grad schools, so I could sort of justify it as "campus visits" with a bit of a detour.

The only flaw with the plan is I have a couple of kids graduating high school and college a few weeks later, so I may have a lot going on........
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1/16/2017 1:45am
Crush wrote:
Agree, but this week was a huge improvement. Least it was technical and a bit slower, definitely helped the racing from a passing point of view...
Agree, but this week was a huge improvement. Least it was technical and a bit slower, definitely helped the racing from a passing point of view.

Double the dirt would be great... more obstacles, steeper shorter ramps, shitty transitions, that mean the guys can't jump stuff crazily.

But 450s are too much regardless.
I think you are on to something in this post. I have not liked the first 2 tracks, but I do not have a solution either so my opinion doesn't matter.

However I'm liking the idea of more dirt. Now that you say that, the track has been rutting up through to the floor and the base dirt much more so far, (not sure why the powder or white dirt base). I think some bigger (not necessarily jumps) type obstacles might help.

Only a thought
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1/16/2017 4:29am
APLMAN99 wrote:
Holy cow, you really can't please some folks. The track seemed pretty freaking awesome.
Seemed pretty good to me.
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1/16/2017 7:48am
There should be a separate section called "The Whine Cellar" where whiners go to mature.
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1/16/2017 7:54am
I thought the San Diego track was one of the best we have had in several years. Had good flow, challenged the riders still. Multiple places to setup and make passes. Different ways to do a rhythm section. Pretty much had everything checked off in my book. A+.

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