cool things about Houston SX

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 6:07am
Re-watched the TV coverage...They did catch some cool things at that race.

Houston has good dirt. Don't like the stadium. The tracks are smaller than the Dome...it's almost too small for an SX.

Everyone knows the track was "jumpy". My memory of the '90s races was inside and outside lines in most turns. That's gone...there was an inside line in the S turn, but that's it. Even if they start inside, the drift to the outside on exit. The obstacles are built all the way to the entrance/exit of the turn. No way to take an inside line w/ speed.

Two things I thought were cool and watched in slo-mo:

1) Izzi's pass over the triple in the heat race. It was risky, but it worked and it was really amazing.
2) James passing RV...he didn't actually turn sharper than RV in that corner, but he carried a lot more speed...and watch the exit. He can scrub the Yamaha. Very cool to watch.

I also think that James' pass showed the fast line through that corner. Setting up slightly outside, he was able to work with the bowl shape a bit better than RV and blasted into and out of that corner.

Reed was cruising and riding smooth...but, he wasn't aggressive. Which was probably smart. I think he had more in the bag, but no reason to throw it away with James leading at +9 seconds on a 50 second track.

The Stroupe incident was just racing. The 250 guys seem to get tunnel vision...Stroupe zoned in on a line and really wasn't expecting Durham to drift over...which he did move over into Austin's line. Or you could say their lines came together.

Sorby is a nut. He will get someone hurt riding like that.

RV will get faster as the season progresses. He is still adjusting to the 450s.

Hope Mikey keeps riding smart and comes in 100% to the Nationals.

10 years ago, half the guys that made the night show in both classes would struggle just to circulate the track. Now, every kid on a 250f makes all the big jumps and most of the main lines in the rhythm sections. Don't know if it's just the better bikes or if they are more prepared to ride SX, but as a whole, the racers are much better at SX than they were when I started going to races.

The tracks aren't perfect, but I for one appreciate the efforts of the track designers to try new things and give us better racing.
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1/27/2009 7:55am
Good comments. Smile

I didn't catch any of the Sorby stuff during the LCQ. I was over on the East side of the stadium for that race.

I agree with you that the level of competency in both classes is much higher than it has been.
1/27/2009 8:21am
Did the show the LCQ in TV?
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1/27/2009 8:30am
Look at a track from say, 92' and compare. Nothing alike. No rhythm to them and suspension didn't help either. BTW, the triples were longer back then and they seemed to jump them on the "inferior" 2 strokes. Go figure. Throw todays guys on a 92' bike and a 92' track and you'll see a big difference. Everything progresses, SX is no different.
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1/27/2009 8:33am
just highlights in the 450s.

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1/27/2009 11:10am
One additional comment - I bitch about the AMA regularly, but they're doing this sound issue right. It was much better this year - I didn't go home with a headache from the noise. Even lower would be better, but it was a big improvement.
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1/27/2009 11:23am Edited Date/Time 1/27/2009 11:25am
I was on the 8th floor in a press room. Nothing but the announcer for me with an occasional 4 stroke in the background plus I could see the live timing on a TV screen. Perfect! I saw alot of parents and kids with earplugs.
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1/27/2009 11:45am
I thought that the first time I watched it...and yes, he did cut over and shut down RV's line. But, he had RV going all the way back to the turn before. RV had nothing for James and it would have been a mistake on his part to challenge him just to see them both on the ground.

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1/27/2009 12:31pm
did you see where windham passed alessi in the whoops in the heat race..awesome pass
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1/27/2009 1:13pm
the bike commercials have been pretty darn good as well. The Yamaha commercial with riders from all different era's is absolutely awesome.
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txmxer wrote:
the bike commercials have been pretty darn good as well. The Yamaha commercial with riders from all different era's is absolutely awesome.
Except for the txt languange in it.
I despise that they use "u" and "y" instead of "you" and "why"
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Nice take on it. I agree about the track, it was a trash layout better suited for minibikes than for the SX world championship elite. Its time for Reed to get agressive at the starts and not be so timid, he rides best when he has to put his head down and go. Bubba just motored around with ease unchallenged. Both looked great out there. Does RV look fatter than usual?

The commentators are very annoying too, PLEASE change them
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Motodude wrote:
Nice take on it. I agree about the track, it was a trash layout better suited for minibikes than for the SX world championship elite. Its...
Nice take on it. I agree about the track, it was a trash layout better suited for minibikes than for the SX world championship elite. Its time for Reed to get agressive at the starts and not be so timid, he rides best when he has to put his head down and go. Bubba just motored around with ease unchallenged. Both looked great out there. Does RV look fatter than usual?

The commentators are very annoying too, PLEASE change them
Damn, you have good eyesight, you saw what kind of shape Villopoto was in all the way from Australia. You watch a race on TV and decide that Metcalf was better off not riding a Pro Circuit bike, you know the track was better for James than Reed, you know everything. It's like that old Beverly Hillbillies episode where Jethro takes the family to the beach and says, "About 2,000 miles out there is Hawaii." and Jed says, "Wooo, you got good eyes, boy." You know about as much about US racing as Jethro knows about Hawaii.
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1/27/2009 4:46pm
Motodude wrote:
Nice take on it. I agree about the track, it was a trash layout better suited for minibikes than for the SX world championship elite. Its...
Nice take on it. I agree about the track, it was a trash layout better suited for minibikes than for the SX world championship elite. Its time for Reed to get agressive at the starts and not be so timid, he rides best when he has to put his head down and go. Bubba just motored around with ease unchallenged. Both looked great out there. Does RV look fatter than usual?

The commentators are very annoying too, PLEASE change them
WhKnuckle wrote:
Damn, you have good eyesight, you saw what kind of shape Villopoto was in all the way from Australia. You watch a race on TV and...
Damn, you have good eyesight, you saw what kind of shape Villopoto was in all the way from Australia. You watch a race on TV and decide that Metcalf was better off not riding a Pro Circuit bike, you know the track was better for James than Reed, you know everything. It's like that old Beverly Hillbillies episode where Jethro takes the family to the beach and says, "About 2,000 miles out there is Hawaii." and Jed says, "Wooo, you got good eyes, boy." You know about as much about US racing as Jethro knows about Hawaii.
Shouldnt you be out catching Mexicans or something?
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1/27/2009 5:16pm
I didn't say it was a trash track...I do prefer the extra room that the dome had. This one was "jumpy". Stewart excels virtually everywhere, but even more so on a track like that IMO.

I mentioned the inside versus outside line thing...those days are gone. Not sure if using track layouts from the 90's would bring them back either. The bikes are much faster and capable of jumping things that weren't possible in those days. I think that today's bikes would allow a rider to just jump over a lot of the obstacles that they guys had to navigate back then and also led to them being able to take an inside line in a bowl turn. Also, the turn area was deeper. If you wanted to sweep the turn, you risked getting blocked by someone hugging the tuff blocks/hay bails.

I need to transfer my old races from tape to DVD...then I can upload some videos and we can compare track layouts for real.
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1/27/2009 5:22pm
Another thing I noticed, the Tuff blocks are too lite or at best are too easily moved when a rider bumps them. Maybe better placement or replace them on the corners with those course markers used in the outdoors.
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1/27/2009 5:25pm
I do believe my sons and I had the best seats in the house. We were 6 rows up from the floor in the corner after the whoops and before the step on table section. Whoa!! JS defied physics in that section. Nobody came close to him there! I also saw Cody Cooper whiskey throttle into the wall there also. Another Whoa!!! Hope he's OK!
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Motodude wrote:
Another thing I noticed, the Tuff blocks are too lite or at best are too easily moved when a rider bumps them. Maybe better placement or...
Another thing I noticed, the Tuff blocks are too lite or at best are too easily moved when a rider bumps them. Maybe better placement or replace them on the corners with those course markers used in the outdoors.
Damn, he knows so much he's even an expert in TuffBlock design. Is there anything this guy doesn't know?
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1/27/2009 6:40pm
i think it was stewarts heat race.....but man he leaned over at the end of the start and cleaned out 8 riders. that kid is so strong on a bike!

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