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Motofinne 9/3/2016 1:03pm
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ayearinmx wrote:
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big...
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards

I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big difference in HP
Seriously? Are they doing that? That is a big, big difference.

Why would they allow that?
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ayearinmx wrote:
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big...
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards

I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big difference in HP
I thought they solved that BS?
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Watching UFC Hamburg now...
Same, nice KO by Bader.
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What's the issue? I would assume in Charlotte, a center of motor racing, any type of racing fuel would be easily available. They're not running pump...
What's the issue?
I would assume in Charlotte, a center of motor racing, any type of racing fuel would be easily available.
They're not running pump gas are they?
It`s been done before. US teams refuse to race unless they can use their specs. This issue has come up at few MXDN. USA riders would have to do a massive amount of testing to get their bikes where they want them. Ain`t no one got time for that for a one-off race.

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ayearinmx wrote:
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big...
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards

I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big difference in HP
That'll come in handy up the hills of Glen Helen for the American based riders Whistling
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they mentioned the American fuel vs the MXGP fuel situation at all on the broadcast? Know some Euro riders not overly happy at it
Same thing happened last year at Glen Helen apparently.
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ayearinmx wrote:
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big...
US guys using US fuel standards.... MXGP riders having to use MXGP standards

I'm no expert but people that are say that it's a pretty big difference in HP
Got the jist of it but who I it was wouldn't elaborate over instagram.

Edit, Yeah that figures,fucking Giuseppe,no wonder some big US names all got interested this year...
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Motofinne wrote:
I think it's a mistake of Anderson to not be at this race. Will he do the race at Glen Helen?
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where is he?
Motofinne wrote:
Probably at home in Florida riding the perfect prepped track that doesn't relate to an actual GP or national track.
Then what do you call this track? That looks like a Dirt track at the county fair!
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ayearinmx wrote:
they mentioned the American fuel vs the MXGP fuel situation at all on the broadcast? Know some Euro riders not overly happy at it
mccread wrote:
Same thing happened last year at Glen Helen apparently.
What? I didn't know that. That has to be a HUGE difference at GH?

Why the fuck would they allow that?! Just use what the Gp factory teams use or adjust to the modern environmental standards that EU has.
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You guys have works bikes so it evens out Laughing Silly Whistling
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45min
Spent all evening with her tonight. She came here and cooked us dinner. Going to a mx race tomorrow. She`s never seen a motocross race before.
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race thread is HERE
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Spent all evening with her tonight. She came here and cooked us dinner. Going to a mx race tomorrow. She`s never seen a motocross race before.
Lucky bastage!!! Whistling
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What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are running if they knew it was allowed? Is the fuel difference more of an advantage than full works bikes and isn't the gp minimum bike weight limit alot lower aswell?
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Spent all evening with her tonight. She came here and cooked us dinner. Going to a mx race tomorrow. She`s never seen a motocross race before.
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Lucky bastage!!! Whistling
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Funyun wrote:
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are...
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are running if they knew it was allowed? Is the fuel difference more of an advantage than full works bikes and isn't the gp minimum bike weight limit alot lower aswell?
It`s not allowed for MXGP teams. They make exceptions for USA riders since their bikes is tuned and set up for US fuel.
Full Throttle MX 9/3/2016 1:23pm
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WTF is with this "we are USA, we use our better fuel" shite?
roundtheoutside 9/3/2016 1:25pm
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Funyun wrote:
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are...
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are running if they knew it was allowed? Is the fuel difference more of an advantage than full works bikes and isn't the gp minimum bike weight limit alot lower aswell?
In the US they can have higher octane ratings which allows higher compression. Could be a factor especially in the 250 class. But so what, finally some competition for ole Jeffrey...
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Funyun wrote:
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are...
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are running if they knew it was allowed? Is the fuel difference more of an advantage than full works bikes and isn't the gp minimum bike weight limit alot lower aswell?
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit better against detonation... As I remember some 250 teams talking about detonation at the past USGPs when utilizing the MXGP spec fuel. Yes, they're a couple pounds under us (only 3 or 4 pounds I believe) and they can use carbon fiber subframes. In Supercross and US motocross, you can't use carbon fiber subframes. The GPs also have no production rule, meaning one-off frames and engine cases can be used. Along with there being no price limit and homologation rule for suspension in the MX2 class, while we have a price cap and for-sale rule on suspension in the 250 class here.
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Funyun 9/3/2016 1:32pm
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Funyun wrote:
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are...
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are running if they knew it was allowed? Is the fuel difference more of an advantage than full works bikes and isn't the gp minimum bike weight limit alot lower aswell?
ML512 wrote:
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit...
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit better against detonation... As I remember some 250 teams talking about detonation at the past USGPs when utilizing the MXGP spec fuel. Yes, they're a couple pounds under us (only 3 or 4 pounds I believe) and they can use carbon fiber subframes. In Supercross and US motocross, you can't use carbon fiber subframes. The GPs also have no production rule, meaning one-off frames and engine cases can be used. Along with there being no price limit and homologation rule for suspension in the MX2 class, while we have a price cap and for-sale rule on suspension in the 250 class here.
It's crazy to think a bone stock '17 KTM 450 is barley 1/2lb over the legal AMA limit. I wonder if they will ever update the weight limits as bikes keep losing more and more weight.
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ML512 wrote:
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit...
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit better against detonation... As I remember some 250 teams talking about detonation at the past USGPs when utilizing the MXGP spec fuel. Yes, they're a couple pounds under us (only 3 or 4 pounds I believe) and they can use carbon fiber subframes. In Supercross and US motocross, you can't use carbon fiber subframes. The GPs also have no production rule, meaning one-off frames and engine cases can be used. Along with there being no price limit and homologation rule for suspension in the MX2 class, while we have a price cap and for-sale rule on suspension in the 250 class here.
yea.... that's all great..... but i'm pretty sure the US teams can build whatever bike they like for the MXGPs, with all the fancy parts they can get their hands on

but the MXGP guys CAN'T run the US-spec fuel
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Is it just me or...

Are the 3 Fastest:

Austin
Adam
Eli

In that order?
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ML512 wrote:
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit...
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit better against detonation... As I remember some 250 teams talking about detonation at the past USGPs when utilizing the MXGP spec fuel. Yes, they're a couple pounds under us (only 3 or 4 pounds I believe) and they can use carbon fiber subframes. In Supercross and US motocross, you can't use carbon fiber subframes. The GPs also have no production rule, meaning one-off frames and engine cases can be used. Along with there being no price limit and homologation rule for suspension in the MX2 class, while we have a price cap and for-sale rule on suspension in the 250 class here.
ayearinmx wrote:
yea.... that's all great..... but i'm pretty sure the US teams can build whatever bike they like for the MXGPs, with all the fancy parts they...
yea.... that's all great..... but i'm pretty sure the US teams can build whatever bike they like for the MXGPs, with all the fancy parts they can get their hands on

but the MXGP guys CAN'T run the US-spec fuel
Calm down! I was just going over the basic differences of the rules for bikes between each series.Laughing Not arguing who has what advantages.
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Funyun wrote:
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are...
What's the difference in fuel rules, no oxygenated fuels or something in the mxgp? Why won't the GP guys run whatever fuel the US guys are running if they knew it was allowed? Is the fuel difference more of an advantage than full works bikes and isn't the gp minimum bike weight limit alot lower aswell?
ML512 wrote:
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit...
If I remember right, our oxygen content % is a bit higher and we have some different legal additives. I think our fuel is a bit better against detonation... As I remember some 250 teams talking about detonation at the past USGPs when utilizing the MXGP spec fuel. Yes, they're a couple pounds under us (only 3 or 4 pounds I believe) and they can use carbon fiber subframes. In Supercross and US motocross, you can't use carbon fiber subframes. The GPs also have no production rule, meaning one-off frames and engine cases can be used. Along with there being no price limit and homologation rule for suspension in the MX2 class, while we have a price cap and for-sale rule on suspension in the 250 class here.
And we don't have any 2, 3 or 4 speed special factory gear boxes.
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ML512 9/3/2016 1:46pm
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ayearinmx wrote:
yea.... that's all great..... but i'm pretty sure the US teams can build whatever bike they like for the MXGPs, with all the fancy parts they...
yea.... that's all great..... but i'm pretty sure the US teams can build whatever bike they like for the MXGPs, with all the fancy parts they can get their hands on

but the MXGP guys CAN'T run the US-spec fuel
But on the topic of building whatever they want, you know as well as I do that teams on both sides on the pond spend so much time pre-season and during the season dialing in the bikes for specific fuels. Asking the 250 teams specifically to switch to a fuel that can't handle detonation as well puts them in somewhat of a safety issue to be competitive. Unless they spend extra R&D time and budget not only dyno one but arguably some part changes to adapt to the fuel. The easiest thing to do would to settle on the US spec fuel for both series for all rounds. Why our fuel? Elf, ETS, VP, and Renegade already make fuel for our rules... I'm not sure if VP or Renegade have GP regulation fuel. Second, our fuel is developed to handle the higher temps found in outdoor season, meaning the GP riders would be better off when they hit a hot round like Thailand. And they won't have the issues they've had there in the past (as I picture Tommy Searle flying through the air without his bike).

If the the GP series wants good US participation at the US GPs they need to make it as simple as possible for the teams to hit the event when it comes to bike rules. Our teams adding a lil more ti is easy. But, I honestly think we should take on the GP sound rules and the GPs should take on our fuel spec.

Actually, weren't we supposed to all go on the same fuel spec two years ago? I could have sworn there was an announcement of some sort.
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VP makes a Euro-FIM-Spec fuel.
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Oh well guess I got time for an episode of Narcos before the races starts Cool
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