Any 150r owners?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 6:39pm
I think Camp is, but here's question. What's the trick to curing the hanging high idle?


Have the 45 pilot in, new not clogged, fuel screw 2-2.5 out, and the hot start lever is free and not sticking. I know it has to run a high idle, but this is issue that seems to be pretty common with these running fast idle before idling down to the set idle.


The bike is very low hours, so I doubt there's valve issue.


I've run through Thumpertalk and CRFs only, and that seemed to raise more questions than provide answers.


Anyway, hoping someone may have a straight answer.


Thanks.
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Could be that the throttle isn't closing as it should, I know you're not new at this Mike but I would look on the right side, under the black plastic cover of that FCR carb to see if the throttle is hitting the stop. Cables could be mis-adjusted.
Also it's possible the carb isn't seated properly in the intake manifold, or the clamp isn't tight enough?
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1/15/2009 8:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2009 8:49pm
It's a common issue. These bikes seem sensitive to weather. One day it will idle fine then the next it will idle too fast. I've also found that if I set the idle just the tiniest amount too high, the idle will hang. I'd suggest setting the fuel screw at two turns out and backing the idle screw down slightly. I think the root cause may be the relatively large carburetor for the engine displacement. I may try a 48 pilot the next time we ride in cold weather.
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FTE, I've also heard that a plugged accelerator pump chamber can cause this so I am going to try blowing ours out with compressed air the next time I have it apart.
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Could be the O-Ring on the Fuel mixture screw...They wear, and allow improper mix.

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1/16/2009 7:25am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:00pm
Thanks guys. Just put one of the R&D flex screws in (nice) yesterday before posting, and that makes it a lot easier to adjust, but it still lingers. Carb is seated and tight. I will double check on the cables.
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What year is your 150r btw ?
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07, sold new in June 08.
1/16/2009 5:51pm
I had the same issue, if I jetted that out bike wasn't jetted properly while riding.

It's a just deal with it issue. I don't think it's carb size... I bore them in my mod motors and it really likes a bigger carb.

One thing I Haven't tried is a smaller pilot air jet. That may actually be the ticket.
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FTE,it is a lean pilot.

I got one here a kid races.I think it was a 52 or 54 I put in and woulda put in a bigger one if I had it.Cured the hang right away.

The fuel screw doesn't affect this condition,dont even bother burnin' your fingers tryin' to mess with it.

I think it had a #60 leak jet,the thing bogged like a yamie with a 7 on it.Not wanting to wear out the clamp screws taking off the gas mixer I took another big leak jet,crimped it off closed with pliers being carful not to mess the threads and put it back in.It worked so well I left it.The weather was chilly so when it gets warm it may be to much fuel or really to long of a squirt.It stays on the pump cam a long time to sqirt all that fuel with the leak jet full closed.

You used to be able to make a stop but honda changed the shape of that piece and you cant do that no more.



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The first ones that came out if you didn't watch the rear sprocket bolts, the hub would break in that contact area. Happened to like 2 or 3 of them. Just the first models that came out. No later ones.

Just an FYI.
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Good the hear from you Dave, thanks to you and others. Popped a 48 (2 out on the fuel screw, sea level and temp about 65) in this morning before we headed out, and it helped alot. Much smoother and the idle is more stable.


I wonder if the volume of air that passing at idle that isn't enough to create a vacuum efficient enough to pull it through the smaller pilots. Shoot, my 525 runs a 40 or 42 pilot.


Even with an LV can with the "quiet insert" it was the loudest bike there, including some 450's. Have a Q4 to try, but this thing is ridiculously loud.
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That bike is too small for you, anywayWhistling
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Good the hear from you Dave, thanks to you and others. Popped a 48 (2 out on the fuel screw, sea level and temp about 65)...
Good the hear from you Dave, thanks to you and others. Popped a 48 (2 out on the fuel screw, sea level and temp about 65) in this morning before we headed out, and it helped alot. Much smoother and the idle is more stable.


I wonder if the volume of air that passing at idle that isn't enough to create a vacuum efficient enough to pull it through the smaller pilots. Shoot, my 525 runs a 40 or 42 pilot.


Even with an LV can with the "quiet insert" it was the loudest bike there, including some 450's. Have a Q4 to try, but this thing is ridiculously loud.
Yeah, with a given sized carb, the smaller the displacement engine, the lower the vacuum single on the jets so you have to run bigger jets to compensate. If you run that same size carb on a larger displacement engine, the vacuum signal is increased on the jets so smaller jets are used.

Glad to hear the 48 pilot worked well. I'm going to get some bigger pilots and see if that helps our idle issues in colder weather.
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Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then maybe pulling it behind the truck would just be easier! Once its started it hates to warm up, but when it does it runs fine and it starts easy. Ive looked all around but couldnt find any good help. It has little ride time on it at all so I dont think the valves would be the issue...or would they? Its pretty much done it since we broke it in. The bike is an 07. What can you guys tell me? My 250f before, nor the 450 I have now ever gave me any problems like this so Im a bit stuck.
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TX920 wrote:
Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then...

Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then maybe pulling it behind the truck would just be easier! Once its started it hates to warm up, but when it does it runs fine and it starts easy. Ive looked all around but couldnt find any good help. It has little ride time on it at all so I dont think the valves would be the issue...or would they? Its pretty much done it since we broke it in. The bike is an 07. What can you guys tell me? My 250f before, nor the 450 I have now ever gave me any problems like this so Im a bit stuck.
That sounds like valves out of spec.
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Thanks man Ill get hot on it.
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1/18/2009 10:48am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:03pm
TX920 wrote:
Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then...

Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then maybe pulling it behind the truck would just be easier! Once its started it hates to warm up, but when it does it runs fine and it starts easy. Ive looked all around but couldnt find any good help. It has little ride time on it at all so I dont think the valves would be the issue...or would they? Its pretty much done it since we broke it in. The bike is an 07. What can you guys tell me? My 250f before, nor the 450 I have now ever gave me any problems like this so Im a bit stuck.
Are you priiming it before you kick?Twist the throttle say 5 times before you ever lay a boot on the kickstarter.This lets the accel pump squirt fuel into the intake and it should hit on the 2nd kick.

If it dont try 5 more twists,all this is with the choke on.If it still dont hit try 5 more.If it still doesn't fire you need to remove the plug and see if it is wet or dry.

If it is dry the bike is just not getting primed for start.With the big leak jets they put in it may take 10 twists to get the thing primed.

If the plug is wet then next time dont prime it,kick a few times and take out plug.If the thing is wet without priming or choke then it is flooding from another source like float height or dirt holding the float needle open.

I'm pretty sure though that if you are not priming it before you are kicking it this will cure the problem.

It is easy to remove the tank and valve cover to check the intake valve clearance.If the bike has low time I doubt the valves are out,lots of time and they may be.
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1/18/2009 6:21pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2009 6:24pm
TX920 wrote:
Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then...

Man yall are like experts on the 150R. Can you help with my issue? My wifes just wont start without some serious kicking, and even then maybe pulling it behind the truck would just be easier! Once its started it hates to warm up, but when it does it runs fine and it starts easy. Ive looked all around but couldnt find any good help. It has little ride time on it at all so I dont think the valves would be the issue...or would they? Its pretty much done it since we broke it in. The bike is an 07. What can you guys tell me? My 250f before, nor the 450 I have now ever gave me any problems like this so Im a bit stuck.
They take a lot of kicks period, pretty common complaint, but richening the pilot circuit helps a lot on starting. They are just so damn lean when the engine is not spinning hard. Try the fatter pilot jets suggested here before running a valve check. Dave's advice on hitting the throttle a few times to pump some fuel in there is good, too. Let it warm up pretty well before going off the choke.
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1/18/2009 6:46pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2009 6:49pm
Ours usually starts first kick with a 45 pilot in the carb and 3-4 twists of the throttle to prime the engine.

BTW, it was warmer today, about 65f, and the idle was perfect with the 45 pilot. Last week when it was 45f, the idle was erratic.
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more oxy last week
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hillbilly wrote:
more oxy last week
Yeah, I know cold air means leaned out jetting.

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