yz 125 sudden loss of compression

mxracer239
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I just put a new bottom an top end in my son's 03 yz 125, it has a sleeve installed so i had i bored .020 over stock an ordered a .020 over piston installed everything started the bike an it ran for about 10 secs an died an lost all compression i tore it back down an everything looks great

an ideas on what cld be the prob?
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4/20/2016 5:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2016 5:38pm
Look for the rings to be stuck in the piston ring groves. If not that, check the ring end gap in the cylinder.
If those check out ok then you may have blown a crank seal.
What did the spark plug look like, color?
Any marks on the piston skirt?
Did the engine run ok when you first fired it up or was the rpm way high?
Were the carb jets clean?
Was the fuel mix fresh?
Was the new piston furnished to the shop doing the bore job at the time the bore was done or was it ordered after the bore job was done?

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mxracer239
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4/20/2016 6:00pm
the ring did seem to be stuck in the groove
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4/20/2016 7:39pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2016 7:42pm
If that is the case, you need to find out why it stuck as it will do it again if not corrected when you put in another new piston and ring.
It can happen due to over heating, poor fit, incorrect ring end gap, a lean condition or by not allowing the new top end to properly warm up before running the hell out of it. You see, engines that have a sleeve in them take more time to warm up and really don't transfer the heat as well as the OEM plated cylinder does and thus you have different expansion rate between the piston, rings and the sleeved cylinder. This difference will cause this type of issue.
I would suggest going back to an OEM plated cylinder.

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mxracer239
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4/20/2016 7:50pm
thanks for the info

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4/22/2016 4:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2016 8:34pm
Did you have the cylinder bored and then bought a piston. Or did you buy the piston and have the cylinder bored to match?
mxracer239
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4/22/2016 6:53pm
I bought a wiesco .020 over piston an sent with the cylinder
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Post up a few pictures of the piston.
4/23/2016 12:24am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2016 12:27am
Did the shop that bored the cylinder chamfer the ports after boring ? Sharp edges of the ports will take out a ring in about .0005 seconds of run time. Surprising how many shops do not complete a bore job with a good port chamfering.

Exhaust port bridge should also be relieved a bit on steel lined cylinders.
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The piston should also have lube holes at the exhaust bridge.
A few photos of the bad piston would be nice.

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update, i order a new ring from wiesco, chamfered all the ports checked ring gap clearance. Cleaned everything up installed new ring it had a ton of compression.Kicked it once fired right up an died after maybe 10 secs an lost all compression again.

cld i have to much compression?
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Show us a picture of both bad pistons.
Oil in the gas?
Oil holes in the piston?

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4/26/2016 10:29pm
What are the piston to bore clearances ? Wiseco's are OK pistons, but have seen them vary a bit in size on pistons marked as the same. Are there any scuff marks on the piston ? Did it pin the ring down in the groove again ?

If so, clearance sounds tight. Wiseco (forged) pistons need a little extra clearance as they expand a bit differently under heat.

Is the bore good and straight, minimal taper from top to bottom ?
mxracer239
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got it fixed, both times it was collapsing the ring so i took my hone an did a little work to add some clearance. started right up an sounds good now

thanks to everry one for all the info

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