How do think JS will adapt to the Yamaha 450?

Yamaha336
Posts
1219
Joined
5/2/2008
Location
Woodstock, IL, USA
8/10/2008 9:56pm
andymoto wrote:
I notice it when I first start it up, but not after it runs for a while at higher RPMs?

Could be a third guess.
Yeah, thats what I said. Only when I first start it up.
andymoto
Posts
4771
Joined
11/28/2007
Location
Carmichael, CA, USA
8/10/2008 10:38pm
Make tons of sense for a cold bike to have a header pipe turn orange soon after starting, but not when it's at operating temp.

Trip gave a couple options; others exist as well is all I'm sayin'.
Slow ~ Pro
Posts
3834
Joined
3/27/2008
Location
Capistrano Beach, CA, USA
8/10/2008 10:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:59pm
Trip wrote:
So which one of you two are going to tell me why my head pipe was glowing a cool color of orange? I'm guessing water pump...
So which one of you two are going to tell me why my head pipe was glowing a cool color of orange? I'm guessing water pump or jetting?
I don't do Yamaha...But I would guess this probably only happens on Yamahas, since I have only heard this happening to the 450 Zed...


I am going to make an educated guess, and say, that if you were to contact Yamaha R & D, you will find that they use a different type titanium for their head pipes, than the other manufactures. Causing the unique glow.


If the bike runs, then run it.
8/11/2008 5:24am
andymoto wrote:
Make tons of sense for a cold bike to have a header pipe turn orange soon after starting, but not when it's at operating temp. Trip...
Make tons of sense for a cold bike to have a header pipe turn orange soon after starting, but not when it's at operating temp.

Trip gave a couple options; others exist as well is all I'm sayin'.
Saw a few of first crf's get orange pipe at some night races. Most were warming up at idle. Give us some more info.

The Shop

Denn700
Posts
1283
Joined
11/7/2006
Location
Shreveport, LA, USA
8/11/2008 8:15am
Denn700 wrote:
Reed can run with JS when he chooses. Check this race out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2MMPh_TX0k

halfe316 wrote:
dude...you are crazy...look how far back you had to go to find a clip...you are outdated...just like 22...if it is all about Reed "chooses"...then why did...
dude...you are crazy...look how far back you had to go to find a clip...you are outdated...just like 22...if it is all about Reed "chooses"...then why did he "choose" to get smoked in 98% of the races he has against stewart...

duh...ur an idiot
My point I was trying to make is James is in Reed's Head but when Chad's mind is right he has run with James and RC. The majority of the time he loses but he has his days. There is no need to get upset and resort to name calling. Relax take your thumb out of your mouth and your finger out your pus.
bogdan912
Posts
2722
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Estell Manor, NJ, USA
8/11/2008 8:18am
The glowing pipe is common. No worries.
GuyB
Posts
35722
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA, USA
8/11/2008 8:35am
mxgeoff wrote:
Stewart is going to make Reed look silly, hahahaha. Who got the number one plate in 2008, and if I count correctley Reed has two SX...
Stewart is going to make Reed look silly, hahahaha. Who got the number one plate in 2008, and if I count correctley Reed has two SX titles and Stewart one. How can you say Reed looks stupid compared to Stewart.

Geoff
Hey Geoff, in your count, did you forget to include FIM World Supercross Titles? Wink
bvm111
Posts
10117
Joined
7/1/2008
Location
Las Vegas, NV, USA
8/11/2008 11:43am
Something tells me that Stewie knows exactly how the Yamaha handles, and would not have switched without throwing a leg over the yamadog. I know, I know, I know, contracts state he cant.... but come on you think he really hasn't?
BobbyM
Posts
21439
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
USA
8/11/2008 11:46am
yamadog or no yamadog, i suspect james will still be the fastest in the world.
bvm111
Posts
10117
Joined
7/1/2008
Location
Las Vegas, NV, USA
8/11/2008 11:51am
BobbyM wrote:
yamadog or no yamadog, i suspect james will still be the fastest in the world.
Oh heck yeah.... No doubt about that he is amazing, and really probably could smoke everyone on his 110 pit bike. I thought I would dig up the o'le Yamadog moniker, as I have not heard that for a while, for old times sake!!
socalmx716
Posts
342
Joined
12/6/2006
Location
Fontana, CA, USA
8/11/2008 2:51pm
mcphilly wrote:
go to amamotocross.com and check the lap times from the sx and the outdoors. case closed
Lap times don't mean squat, Windham used to run lap times every weekend on his 125 that were faster than most the 250's. That obviously didn't equal total domination when he moved up. You have to ride a bigger bike differently.
Lightning78
Posts
6353
Joined
12/12/2007
Location
Huntington Beach, CA, USA
8/11/2008 3:19pm
bvm111 wrote:
Something tells me that Stewie knows exactly how the Yamaha handles, and would not have switched without throwing a leg over the yamadog. I know, I...
Something tells me that Stewie knows exactly how the Yamaha handles, and would not have switched without throwing a leg over the yamadog. I know, I know, I know, contracts state he cant.... but come on you think he really hasn't?
+1

I said this earlier as well..... Im sure he has ridden all of them by now before making a decicion. He knows what the Yamaha will do for him and weather it will work. Besides aren't they supposed to be coming out with an entirely new model for 2010?
Trip
Posts
2255
Joined
8/1/2006
Location
USA
8/11/2008 4:24pm
Ok cool that I actually have some interest on this. Thought I was going to have to take it to TT. So here go the details....

05 YZ450f... months ago the chain broke, and broke the engine case..... found a new used bottom end online complete, meaning cases, crank, water pump and clutch.... so i bolted my top end to it....basically my head, cylinder and piston with new rings..... started right up three kicks..feeling really good about my mechanic skills at that point...i didn't torque down the head to spec and had a water mixing with the oil...fixed that problem by reading the manual and seeing what to torque it to.....went riding just taking it easy at the track..once I felt like everything was tight, I got on it and rode for about 10 minutes of high rpm riding....got back to the trailer and noticed the head pipe glowing....never had any coolant come out of the overflow like it was getting to hot.....ran fine..never lost power....but I am kind of spooked to take it out again without knowing why the pipe was orange..... I asked a friend about it, and he said his Honda did the same thing, but he left the choke on to long.....Yeah, I don't have the brightest friends....I've never had the pipe get orange before....it has gotten hot at a race once when they held the gate for a while, coolant just ran out of the overflow.

Thanks guys for all your help!!!
Yamaha336
Posts
1219
Joined
5/2/2008
Location
Woodstock, IL, USA
8/11/2008 4:35pm
Your welcome Trip!
KAWboy14
Posts
6502
Joined
12/31/2007
Location
Austin, TX, USA
8/11/2008 6:05pm
i will never own a yamaha!
andymoto
Posts
4771
Joined
11/28/2007
Location
Carmichael, CA, USA
8/11/2008 11:44pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:59pm
andymoto wrote:
Make tons of sense for a cold bike to have a header pipe turn orange soon after starting, but not when it's at operating temp. Trip...
Make tons of sense for a cold bike to have a header pipe turn orange soon after starting, but not when it's at operating temp.

Trip gave a couple options; others exist as well is all I'm sayin'.
motoman0 wrote:
Saw a few of first crf's get orange pipe at some night races. Most were warming up at idle. Give us some more info.
Besides jetting and water pump probs..
Most friction of moving engine parts happen when oil is cold/at it's lowest level. If any of the below are happening could lead to overheating.
Warped or not proper torqued head.
Air leaks. Worn crank seals. Excessive spark plug gaps from long time use adds heat because requires more volts from electrode to grnd arm...Just rebuilt one due to electrode falling off; dude was lucky the piston took brunt and head was in surprisingly fair shape. Shot outta exhaust.
Use of High Compression pistons create more heat than stock. Need new cams and all valve goodies to handle the power and heat comb chamber makes.
Lack exhaust valve clearance. Need more than the intake due to heat expansion, too much lash is nearly as bad too little keeping the valve seat closer to the heated head seal area.
Oil pump line(s) and orfices have flow probs causing more heating.
Incorrect timing. Exhaust valves open just prior to piston rising on final stroke help release pressure tad early and intake opens for a moment while exhaust valve nearly shuts to allow scavenging, which allows fresh unburned gas/air to clear hot burned exhaust gas fully.
Preignition or detonation due to low grade fuel, incorrect jetting(rich-carbon build up more preignition; lean creatin' pingin' too much heat in comb chamber.)
Worn piston and or rings can rock in cylinder, create more heat, chance of shirt breakin' and crank pressure blows back oil thru breather in airbox area.
Never seen an orange glow header myself. Puzzlin' when dude said he would get the glow after startin' the bike, but not at full op temp.....Older Hondas used valves that would mess up the seat in head...have to lap head seat. Hondas easier w/unicam to get motor rebuild; little more tedious on the others with dohc. Torquin' cam(s) cappin' area properly crucial on all. Good valve springs so no valve float..blah, blah, blah......

BDOG
Posts
1327
Joined
1/10/2008
Location
Danville, VA, USA
8/12/2008 6:20am
BobbyM wrote:
yamadog or no yamadog, i suspect james will still be the fastest in the world.
Exactly. Yamahas and Kawis handle very similar anyway.

Post a reply to: How do think JS will adapt to the Yamaha 450?

The Latest