IF nascar pulls the ama deal.....

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....wouldnt they have some new uses for all their track owners? I would be nervous too if i was the NPG

roadracing, outdoors and sx would be a nice fit at those tracks! real bathrooms for the women, real concessions, real global news/media facilities......
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3/2/2008 7:37am
Who, bro, think of the TV coverage quality!!!! Maybe even a bunch more live events. Heck, maybe some changed formats that make for exciting racing, like getting rid of the formats that are so conducive to runaway races. Who knows? Maybe 2 12 minute SX mains.
3/2/2008 7:43am
I am thinking one long season combining both the SX and MX races for one overall champion.
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3/2/2008 7:44am
They can have SX, but I would rather they stay away from outdoors. How are they going to have elevation changes, etc. They would turn it into Arena... errr. Supercross.
3/2/2008 7:45am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="Cygnus":2to2lpec]I am thinking one long season combining both the SX and MX races for one overall champion.[/quote:2to2lpec]


X 20000000000000!!!!

No more of this SX only crap. If they want to race indoors only, there's Arenacross, which is actually an excellent format for exciting indoor racing.

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3/2/2008 7:48am
Word is, they want flat track (roundy round...makes sense) and possibly road racing.
Not MX, GNCC or hillclimb
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3/2/2008 7:52am
Why, are they looking for a halftime show? The Metal Mulisha should be all over this.
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3/2/2008 7:53am
Imagine the new facilities Nascar could bring to SX! Every weekend could be as cool as daytona!
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3/2/2008 7:55am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="jtomasik":28acz1hl][quote="Cygnus":28acz1hl]I am thinking one long season combining both the SX and MX races for one overall champion.[/quote:28acz1hl]


X 20000000000000!!!!

No more of this SX only crap. If they want to race indoors only, there's Arenacross, which is actually an excellent format for exciting indoor racing.[/quote:28acz1hl]

And one Pro Class. Get guys like dungey, lawrence, grant, villopoto in the Pro class were they belong.
3/2/2008 8:09am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
Has anyone noticed the timing of the announcement has been moved to Daytona, the home office for a bidder that has a good chance....?

I've heard ISC is considered a stong possibility, and opinion is split on if this includes MX. What if MX goes to ISC too..? Will they want or sub it out to NPG or YS?

AMA could climb in bed with ISC, OEMs get jealous and pissed off and walk, or cut way, way back, and racing changes completely.

I ran into one of the ex AMA people his weekend and asked what chances did the NPG have on a scale of 1 to 10..1 or 2, and he shook his head and went, "nope."
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3/2/2008 8:19am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
the oem's would be happy to be in bed with a company that brings as much to the table as nascar does!


[quote="Racetime":iyq6j6u4]Has anyone noticed the timing of the announcement has been moved to Daytona, the home office for a bidder that has a good chance....?

I've heard ISC is considered a stong possibility, and opinion is split on if this includes MX. What if MX goes to ISC too..? Will they want or sub it out to NPG or YS?

AMA could climb in bed with ISC, OEMs get jealous and pissed off and walk, or cut way, way back, and racing changes completely.

I ran into one of the ex AMA people his weekend and asked what chances did the NPG have on a scale of 1 to 10..1 or 2, and he shook his head and went, "nope."[/quote:iyq6j6u4]
3/2/2008 8:38am
Everyone on the same bike? The bike of tomorrow? No thanks.
3/2/2008 9:42am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="KAWboy14":3fyy6rj1]the oem's would be happy to be in bed with a company that brings as much to the table as nascar does!


[quote="Racetime":3fyy6rj1]Has anyone noticed the timing of the announcement has been moved to Daytona, the home office for a bidder that has a good chance....?

I've heard ISC is considered a stong possibility, and opinion is split on if this includes MX. What if MX goes to ISC too..? Will they want or sub it out to NPG or YS?

AMA could climb in bed with ISC, OEMs get jealous and pissed off and walk, or cut way, way back, and racing changes completely.

I ran into one of the ex AMA people his weekend and asked what chances did the NPG have on a scale of 1 to 10..1 or 2, and he shook his head and went, "nope."[/quote:3fyy6rj1][/quote:3fyy6rj1]

The teams would be happy to hear from a promoter that would be more of a partner and not one that just takes them for granted and shoves them around, especially the ones outside the OEM circle. One manager told me last night "It's real easy, let me race, bring my truck and team, and let me vend in my pits and I'm happy, is that too much to ask?" Apparrently it is. If NASCAR can beat that, the teams will all go there.
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3/2/2008 9:48am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="jtomasik":1ml7suha][quote="Cygnus":1ml7suha]I am thinking one long season combining both the SX and MX races for one overall champion.[/quote:1ml7suha]


X 20000000000000!!!!

No more of this SX only crap. If they want to race indoors only, there's Arenacross, which is actually an excellent format for exciting indoor racing.[/quote:1ml7suha]

I seem to remember that there was one year like '83 where Bailey won a combined SX/MX title.
Any history buffs out there remember?
3/2/2008 9:55am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="flarider":2zm57buc]Word is, they want flat track (roundy round...makes sense) and possibly road racing.
Not MX, GNCC or hillclimb[/quote:2zm57buc]

They can't have GNCC anyway. The AMA doesn't own the rights to it, Racer Productions does. All the AMA does for GNCC is sanctioning.
3/2/2008 10:08am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="Racetime":1h09hdto]
The teams would be happy to hear from a promoter that would be more of a partner and not one that just takes them for granted and shoves them around, especially the ones outside the OEM circle. One manager told me last night "It's real easy, let me race, bring my truck and team, and let me vend in my pits and I'm happy, is that too much to ask?" Apparrently it is. If NASCAR can beat that, the teams will all go there.[/quote:1h09hdto]

Almost right, what they want is:

1) A real TV package with real coverage
2) Pit vending
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3/2/2008 2:45pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="mxdad":31sdor7a]Get guys like dungey, lawrence, grant, villopoto in the Pro class were they belong.[/quote:31sdor7a]

Ummm, they [b:31sdor7a]ARE[/b:31sdor7a] racing the Pro class, Einstein.
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3/2/2008 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="Racetime":3ggijznb]Has anyone noticed the timing of the announcement has been moved to Daytona, the home office for a bidder that has a good chance....?

I've heard ISC is considered a stong possibility, and opinion is split on if this includes MX. What if MX goes to ISC too..? Will they want or sub it out to NPG or YS?

AMA could climb in bed with ISC, [b:3ggijznb]OEMs get jealous and pissed off and walk, or cut way, way back, and racing changes completely.[/b:3ggijznb]
I ran into one of the ex AMA people his weekend and asked what chances did the NPG have on a scale of 1 to 10..1 or 2, and he shook his head and went, "nope."[/quote:3ggijznb]

The change would be for the good. They are the ones that are holding the sport back so they can continue to have their own little "Cheap" name branding opportunities. I can only hope that I will live to see the day that I don't have to watch Honda and and Suzuki commercials on every Sunday morning when I turn on the race. When those commercials disappear and other companies start to buy (for much more money) time, that’s when you will see this sport start to grow.

The fox has been guarding the chicken house to way to long.
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3/2/2008 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="Racetime":ly8nibmd][quote="KAWboy14":ly8nibmd]the oem's would be happy to be in bed with a company that brings as much to the table as nascar does!


[quote="Racetime":ly8nibmd]Has anyone noticed the timing of the announcement has been moved to Daytona, the home office for a bidder that has a good chance....?

I've heard ISC is considered a stong possibility, and opinion is split on if this includes MX. What if MX goes to ISC too..? Will they want or sub it out to NPG or YS?

AMA could climb in bed with ISC, OEMs get jealous and pissed off and walk, or cut way, way back, and racing changes completely.

I ran into one of the ex AMA people his weekend and asked what chances did the NPG have on a scale of 1 to 10..1 or 2, and he shook his head and went, "nope."[/quote:ly8nibmd][/quote:ly8nibmd]

The teams would be happy to hear from a promoter that would be more of a partner and not one that just takes them for granted and shoves them around, especially the ones outside the OEM circle. One manager told me last night "It's real easy, let me race, bring my truck and team, and let me vend in my pits and I'm happy, is that too much to ask?" Apparrently it is. If NASCAR can beat that, the teams will all go there.[/quote:ly8nibmd]

[quote:ly8nibmd]One manager told me last night "It's real easy, let me race, bring my truck and team, and let me vend in my pits and I'm happy,[/quote:ly8nibmd]

Bingo!


Who stands to lose if the smaller private teams are allowed to actually use their pit space to promote sponsors? That’s right, the OEMs

As you are already aware of, in 2004 I was very close to a 3 million dollar a year deal with the Air Force until Clear Channel shut us down at St. Louis. The very next year the Air Force was sponsoring the Clear Channel Free Style events then on to the Supercross.Series.

BTW: My guess is that this quote came from BBR.
3/2/2008 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:17pm
[quote="jmar":3j1ugfkn][quote="Racetime":3j1ugfkn]Has anyone noticed the timing of the announcement has been moved to Daytona, the home office for a bidder that has a good chance....?

I've heard ISC is considered a stong possibility, and opinion is split on if this includes MX. What if MX goes to ISC too..? Will they want or sub it out to NPG or YS?

AMA could climb in bed with ISC, [b:3j1ugfkn]OEMs get jealous and pissed off and walk, or cut way, way back, and racing changes completely.[/b:3j1ugfkn]
I ran into one of the ex AMA people his weekend and asked what chances did the NPG have on a scale of 1 to 10..1 or 2, and he shook his head and went, "nope."[/quote:3j1ugfkn]

The change would be for the good. They are the ones that are holding the sport back so they can continue to have their own little "Cheap" name branding opportunities. I can only hope that I will live to see the day that I don't have to watch Honda and and Suzuki commercials on every Sunday morning when I turn on the race. When those commercials disappear and other companies start to buy (for much more money) time, that’s when you will see this sport start to grow.

The fox has been guarding the chicken house to way to long.[/quote:3j1ugfkn]

jmar, none of this is a done deal yet, but you have to be getting your "I told ya so"on right now.
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3/3/2008 7:48am
Imagine what the purse's would look like if Nascar took over.
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3/3/2008 11:40am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="Larry":159qpxxs]Imagine what the purse's would look like if Nascar took over.[/quote:159qpxxs]

$49,000.00 to make the main?
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3/3/2008 11:40am
nascar really does recognise the value of the driver/athlete/team
3/3/2008 11:48am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="Larry":3hr9l77e]Imagine what the purse's would look like if Nascar took over.[/quote:3hr9l77e]


What would it be??
Since the Riders believe they are the "show" lets look at it this way % of attendence
Supercross - 50-60 Thousand people promoters purse ? $87'000 thats About $1.50 a ticket
Motocross- 14-18 Thousand people Promoters purse ? $ 67,000 = About $3.50 a ticket
Nascar- ______________ Promoters purse________ + About $_____ A ticket ???

Can Nascar pull in the numbers ? Can The Riders ? It seems that riders want more but what are they will to give? Do they want a percentage of ticket sales? And take a risk like the promoters do?
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3/3/2008 11:51am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="Jeff Polep":1zq9txra][quote="Larry":1zq9txra]Imagine what the purse's would look like if Nascar took over.[/quote:1zq9txra]


What would it be??
Since the Riders believe they are the "show" lets look at it this way % of attendence
Supercross - 50-60 Thousand people promoters purse ? $87'000 thats About $1.50 a ticket
Motocross- 14-18 Thousand people Promoters purse ? $ 67,000 = About $3.50 a ticket
Nascar- ______________ Promoters purse________ + About $_____ A ticket ???

Can Nascar pull in the numbers ? Can The Riders ? It seems that riders want more but what are they will to give? Do they want a percentage of ticket sales? And take a risk like the promoters do?[/quote:1zq9txra]

the risk the promoters take......they havent lost money in 25 years

the risk the riders take.....1 guy just lost his van and bike, another guy just broke his back, another guy broke his leg<-----guess what they didnt even get a free ticket to the next event

your smokin crack if you dont realise the riders risk WAY outwieghs the promoters risk!
3/3/2008 11:56am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="KAWboy14":2mmvhe93][quote="Jeff Polep":2mmvhe93][quote="Larry":2mmvhe93]Imagine what the purse's would look like if Nascar took over.[/quote:2mmvhe93]


What would it be??
Since the Riders believe they are the "show" lets look at it this way % of attendence
Supercross - 50-60 Thousand people promoters purse ? $87'000 thats About $1.50 a ticket
Motocross- 14-18 Thousand people Promoters purse ? $ 67,000 = About $3.50 a ticket
Nascar- ______________ Promoters purse________ + About $_____ A ticket ???

Can Nascar pull in the numbers ? Can The Riders ? It seems that riders want more but what are they will to give? Do they want a percentage of ticket sales? And take a risk like the promoters do?[/quote:2mmvhe93]

the risk the promoters take......they havent lost money in 25 years

the risk the riders take.....1 guy just lost his van and bike, another guy just broke his back, another guy broke his leg<-----guess what they didnt even get a free ticket to the next event

your smokin crack if you dont realise the riders risk WAY outwieghs the promoters risk![/quote:2mmvhe93]


Riders INSURANCE????
AMA hands out free tix to riders!
Be the show take a percentage of tix sales!!!
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3/3/2008 12:00pm
riders have insurance to cover their lost wages from missing races?

no free tickets.....my point exactly!
3/3/2008 12:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
" the risk the promoters take......they havent lost money in 25 years"

How much is Kenworthys making now? How about the New York track Binghamton?

They have exspenses you never heard of!! State and Federal EPA issuses are battled and fines are paid so you can ride ..

How many national track owners have you talked to that still have full time jobs? Not all are the millionares you think!!
3/3/2008 12:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="KAWboy14":2adcta7l]riders have insurance to cover their lost wages from missing races?

no free tickets.....my point exactly![/quote:2adcta7l]



Sure its called WORKERS COMP if they race for the right team!!!


How much does Chad Reed pay for tix?
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3/3/2008 12:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="Jeff Polep":3gv3tl47]" the risk the promoters take......they havent lost money in 25 years"

How much is Kenworthys making now? How about the New York track Binghamton?

They have exspenses you never heard of!! State and Federal EPA issuses are battled and fines are paid so you can ride ..

How many national track owners have you talked to that still have full time jobs? Not all are the millionares you think!![/quote:3gv3tl47]


sounds like you make a great case for these track owners to get out of business if they are so unprofessional!

my guess is if they are having problems with the EPA it is because they dont have proper wash and oil change areas for the teams.<------probably because they are scared of running a real business.

my point still stands...the riders risk outwieghs the tracks risks!
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3/3/2008 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:18pm
[quote="Jeff Polep":3koy0bjf][quote="KAWboy14":3koy0bjf]riders have insurance to cover their lost wages from missing races?

no free tickets.....my point exactly![/quote:3koy0bjf]



Sure its called WORKERS COMP if they race for the right team!!!


How much does Chad Reed pay for tix?[/quote:3koy0bjf]

how many riders do you think have wcomp?

yes reed like every other rider pays to race, pays to have a mechanic there and for tickets to enter the event!

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