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A Surfercross title means more than an outdoor National title...just sayin. Plus Hansen will be out at JGR when Stewie is on board in October.[/quote:17zh27nm]
I think Hansen is signed through the 2009 season.
Maybe I'm stupid but I would imagine a lot of people that show up for the Mini o's, Loretta's, Ponca, Whitney ...... probably aren't THAT focused on being the next SX champion. The reality of that happening is really slim.
Maybe I'm stupid but I would imagine a lot of people that show up for the Mini o's, Loretta's, Ponca, Whitney ...... probably aren't THAT focused on being the next SX champion. The reality of that happening is really slim.[/quote:q03f8r1y]
Ha, then you haven't been to many big amateur races lately and talked to mini parents.
Maybe I'm stupid...[/quote:2bfdmkvo] No maybe about it
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You dont know shit about Donnie and what he went through or what his dad and family went through. You can have an opinion about Josh all you want but dont talk bad about someone who had a career ending head injury.
Would you say the same about Bailey if it was his son out there? Bet not. Have some respect.
Thats pretty cold blooded even for this board.
As for the factories not giving a shit about outdoor motocross, why wouldn't they? There is a pretty big offroad industry out there that owes its survival to outdoor motocross. I personally know a whole lot of people who ride and race MX but actually KNOW very few if any that ride or race SX. SX doesn't amount to shit for the average schmoe that wants to take his kids riding. If it was all about SX, I wouldn't be interested. And I spend a buttload of money every year on moto related stuff even when I / we aren't riding much.[/quote:3icl0sp9]
Hey if Dave says you are wrong and his sidekick wonderboy and him agree, then you just don't understand and don't you dare ask him for facts, you wouldn't understand facts either. LOL, actually your post was pretty much all reallity and you actualy ride a particpate in the sport, no wait, they have a point, uh, no they don't don't, they haven't said shit except you are wrong, but it makes them look smart so that's cool?
Yeah, and I have zero involvement in the sport..none at all
Lets start with simple numbers. There are 16 sx races and 12 mx. When was the last time you saw a national have 40K or 50K people at it? Oh, thats right, never. Most nationals are around 20-25K. Thats it. Sponsors are not interested in selling to that market. You guys can say what you want they the "core" people or whatever the hell you want to call yourselves are only concerned with mx and don't care about sx. But, 30K difference in people say otherwise. Its about what sells. The sx is a better package to sell to potential sponsors. Do you think big money people want to go to some back woods town and be dirty and dusty, and have to drive an hour from a decent motel? Or would rather fly in LAX, drive 10 minutes, stay at the hilton and be able to walk to angel stadium, and sit in a box suite to watch the race with 50K cheering fans?
And for the cost. It costs a ton more money to race nationals then sx. Don't believe it? Lets see..... At an sx, the bike is basically maintence free. Wipe it down, change the oil, take the wheels off and have dunlop change them. Pull the motor every other weekend. Thats about it. At a national. Well, you will most likely go through at least two full sets of plastic and graphics a weekend. Typically a motor is good for one weekend, if that. Many teams will change motors over the course of a weekend. Wheels look like shit after one race. Forks are a mess after one race. The frames look trashed as well. This is after one weekend, a brand new bike will look terrible. The rigs.... It is a lot harder on the rigs being at the outdoor races. Things get a lot dirtier there. Inside and out rigs take a beating being there. The truck drivers have to spend a lot more time cleaning the rig every week after a national. Most tracks are far from a major city. Teams will have to fly into smaller airports. If you have 8 guys you have to fly into an airport, you could have just added an extra $2,000 for the weekend. Thats an extra 24k for the series, just in airfare. Most likely your going to need more rental cars, or at least a bigger one.
Yes, the factories are there, but most of the team members and riders don't really want to be there. You can think what you want, but its the truth. If things don't change in the outdoors, you will see a big change in turn out. It will be more and more privateers racing. And the big reason why more privateers race nationals? Its easier for them to get in. Not because its cheaper. Its easier to get on the gate when there are 40 spots then 20. There are going to be a few less teams at the nationals this year then last that I know of already. Next year will be even less.
But, hey what do I know? In the end. Look at it this way. Racing is a job. Its nothing more then that. If you cold get paid the same amount of money, and work half the time. What would you do?
Maybe I'm stupid...[/quote:oq42ieb5] No maybe about it[/quote:oq42ieb5]
And you're trying to come off as intelligent?
Your number one in my book son...
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Lets start with simple numbers. There are 16 sx races and 12 mx. When was the last time you saw a national have 40K or 50K people at it? Oh, thats right, never. Most nationals are around 20-25K. Thats it. Sponsors are not interested in selling to that market. You guys can say what you want they the "core" people or whatever the hell you want to call yourselves are only concerned with mx and don't care about sx. But, 30K difference in people say otherwise. Its about what sells. The sx is a better package to sell to potential sponsors. Do you think big money people want to go to some back woods town and be dirty and dusty, and have to drive an hour from a decent motel? Or would rather fly in LAX, drive 10 minutes, stay at the hilton and be able to walk to angel stadium, and sit in a box suite to watch the race with 50K cheering fans?
And for the cost. It costs a ton more money to race nationals then sx. Don't believe it? Lets see..... At an sx, the bike is basically maintence free. Wipe it down, change the oil, take the wheels off and have dunlop change them. Pull the motor every other weekend. Thats about it. At a national. Well, you will most likely go through at least two full sets of plastic and graphics a weekend. Typically a motor is good for one weekend, if that. Many teams will change motors over the course of a weekend. Wheels look like shit after one race. Forks are a mess after one race. The frames look trashed as well. This is after one weekend, a brand new bike will look terrible. The rigs.... It is a lot harder on the rigs being at the outdoor races. Things get a lot dirtier there. Inside and out rigs take a beating being there. The truck drivers have to spend a lot more time cleaning the rig every week after a national. Most tracks are far from a major city. Teams will have to fly into smaller airports. If you have 8 guys you have to fly into an airport, you could have just added an extra $2,000 for the weekend. Thats an extra 24k for the series, just in airfare. Most likely your going to need more rental cars, or at least a bigger one.
Yes, the factories are there, but most of the team members and riders don't really want to be there. You can think what you want, but its the truth. If things don't change in the outdoors, you will see a big change in turn out. It will be more and more privateers racing. And the big reason why more privateers race nationals? Its easier for them to get in. Not because its cheaper. Its easier to get on the gate when there are 40 spots then 20. There are going to be a few less teams at the nationals this year then last that I know of already. Next year will be even less.
But, hey what do I know? In the end. Look at it this way. Racing is a job. Its nothing more then that. If you cold get paid the same amount of money, and work half the time. What would you do?[/quote:2ks3t7hm]
Matt, I understand what you are saying, but what you basically summed up is the pussificaton of America and people not wanting to work.
No, that's called bad business
That's why many sponsors are saying "no thanks, SX only"
like father like son.[/quote:358788wo]
Listen, that is going way too far. I have heard some shitty things on this board, that is one of the worst. How can you say that after Donnie had a career ending injury. Woud you say that about Fonseca,Button or Bailey.
Erik
No, that's called bad business
That's why many sponsors are saying "no thanks, SX only"[/quote:mh4lkj13]
And I've probably been through more bottles of ProClean and Engine Ice than Chad Reed. That's not bad business though is it?
But when you get into hundreds of thousands of dollars deals, it's all about numbers and impressions (how many see your logo and the cost per "impression")
I know people hate it, but MX is a business
Pit Row
Of course, that is only how Dave Feels about how you feel about MX vs SX
Lets start with simple numbers. There are 16 sx races and 12 mx. When was the last time you saw a national have 40K or 50K people at it? Oh, thats right, never. Most nationals are around 20-25K. Thats it. Sponsors are not interested in selling to that market. You guys can say what you want they the "core" people or whatever the hell you want to call yourselves are only concerned with mx and don't care about sx. But, 30K difference in people say otherwise. Its about what sells. The sx is a better package to sell to potential sponsors. Do you think big money people want to go to some back woods town and be dirty and dusty, and have to drive an hour from a decent motel? Or would rather fly in LAX, drive 10 minutes, stay at the hilton and be able to walk to angel stadium, and sit in a box suite to watch the race with 50K cheering fans? [/quote:jsxlq2o3]
I agree with your numbers for now but I think that will change, I USED to bring the wife and kids to a SX and go alone to the MX's but guess what, I along with my whole clan do not go to SX's anymore because I don't care about SX anymore, but I still go to MX. I will go to Red Bud to watch A riders RACE before I give another nickel to watch a SHOW.
There will probably be some redneck with a mullet that doesn't own a bike that will be taking your seat wearing his Fox shirt he bought at the mall and not the bike shop. But hey, it's what sells!!! It's the future of the sport! It's almost like "Supercross The Movie" was a little more accurate than we were willing to give credit for. LMAO
I agree with your numbers for now but I think that will change, I USED to bring the wife and kids to a SX and go alone to the MX's but guess what, I along with my whole clan do not go to SX's anymore because I don't care about SX anymore, but I still go to MX. I will go to Red Bud to watch A riders RACE before I give another nickel to watch a SHOW.[/quote:3gljou1l]
My wife has been to both, and she'll go to a SX long before an outdoor because she doesn't want to walk through mud in the pits from the pressure washing, the dust, the heat, the lack of seating, lack of comfort, etc...
There will probably be some redneck with a mullet [b:1wu6l47z]that doesn't own a bike [/b:1wu6l47z]that will be taking your seat wearing his Fox shirt he bought at the mall and not the bike shop. But hey, it's what sells!!! It's the future of the sport! It's almost like "Supercross The Movie" was a little more accurate than we were willing to give credit for. LMAO[/quote:1wu6l47z]
Doesnt own a bike [i:1wu6l47z]yet[/i:1wu6l47z]. And thats the difference. SX brings in new people, while MX brings in the "core" riders.
My wife has been to both, and she'll go to a SX long before an outdoor because she doesn't want to walk through mud in the pits from the pressure washing, the dust, the heat, the lack of seating, lack of comfort, etc...[/quote:34dorvja]
My point is does she go without you to a SX? Since I do not go no one in my family goes. This year will be the first year I take the family to a MX, and if they do not care for it I will still keep going alone.
And when he gets his new bike the first thing he'll try to do is the big triple. Why? Because that's what sold him on a new bike. Hopefully he'll survive so he can buy some Engine Ice.
And when he gets his new bike the first thing he'll try to do is the big triple. Why? Because that's what sold him on a new bike. Hopefully he'll survive so he can buy some Engine Ice.[/quote:1qtm6otv]
Yes because that happens all the time. People go to a SX, watch riders go fast and jump high, then they buy a bike, and go for a triple.
Look just keep telling yourself that you are a core rider and that you keep MX in business.
The most core even
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