is it ever ok to sue a Track ?

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KAWboy14 7/27/2008 7:33am
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wpcjs wrote:
I would say maybe in the RR17 situation, if I am out ridding in an open practice I would like to be able to assume that...
I would say maybe in the RR17 situation, if I am out ridding in an open practice I would like to be able to assume that no one is going to drive a traktor out on the track behind a blind jump.
i cant believe reynard didnt sue the ama and the track! but it doesnt surprise me that the ama didnt offer something!
rockcrawlerdude 7/27/2008 9:20am
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Phlapjax wrote:
People nowadays want to sue if their nacho cheese isn't the right tempature.
well too hot you could get burned... too cold and you could get food poisoning... both can be very serious....
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Bill163 7/27/2008 10:13am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
[quote="Racer92":3ceabr7v]Why did Mills Road close?[/quote:3ceabr7v] I don't know for sure, but I think that was leased property - I wasn't thiking of that one, I was...
[quote="Racer92":3ceabr7v]Why did Mills Road close?[/quote:3ceabr7v]
I don't know for sure, but I think that was leased property - I wasn't thiking of that one, I was thinking of Gator MX in Willis and one other that I'm sure you know about. And of course the one that closed after such a long legal battle was our beloved Rio Bravo. Nobody really knows whether it'll ever open again, and that's a crime against motocross history. And, frankly, all for nothing.
Answer to the Question? NO!

WhKnuckle I Feel your Pain having lost Saddleback park for the same Insane reasons.But Rio Bravo looks to make a comeback.Riders in Houston should go down there and help the owner out.

I keep hearing stories about Saddleback Re-opening but for us it's just a Pipe dream.
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CamP wrote:
Static hazards, like trees, rocks, roots, gullys, cliffs, track markers, etc. should never be grounds for a lawsuit on a track. About the only thing that...
Static hazards, like trees, rocks, roots, gullys, cliffs, track markers, etc. should never be grounds for a lawsuit on a track. About the only thing that I see as grounds for a lawsuit is a piece of track equipment being driven into a blind spot on a hot track.
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jndmx 7/31/2008 7:55am
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CamP wrote:
Static hazards, like trees, rocks, roots, gullys, cliffs, track markers, etc. should never be grounds for a lawsuit on a track. About the only thing that...
Static hazards, like trees, rocks, roots, gullys, cliffs, track markers, etc. should never be grounds for a lawsuit on a track. About the only thing that I see as grounds for a lawsuit is a piece of track equipment being driven into a blind spot on a hot track.
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CamP 7/31/2008 7:58am
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CamP wrote:
Static hazards, like trees, rocks, roots, gullys, cliffs, track markers, etc. should never be grounds for a lawsuit on a track. About the only thing that...
Static hazards, like trees, rocks, roots, gullys, cliffs, track markers, etc. should never be grounds for a lawsuit on a track. About the only thing that I see as grounds for a lawsuit is a piece of track equipment being driven into a blind spot on a hot track.
jndmx wrote:
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I can't see any pic but if the dozer is parked off the track, it's a static hazard and hitting it would not be grounds for a lawsuit.
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dlhamblin 7/31/2008 8:23am
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Well, I am sure there probably would be a valid reason but I can't think of it.

It would have to be some drastic event for me to ever consider sueing anyone.
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Gonzo0100 7/31/2008 8:36am
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Well would you sue a baseball field if you got a line drive to the face?

Would you sue a baseball field if a ball bounced off the scoreboard and it fell on you?
zookrider62 7/31/2008 8:57am
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I was at a race with a friend of mine, as he was going around a long sweeper corner the EMT on a Kawasaki Mule decided that would be a good time to cross the track to get a better view. I think this is a circumstance where it is ok to sue.
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SteveS 7/31/2008 9:09am
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Well would you sue a baseball field if you got a line drive to the face? Would you sue a baseball field if a ball bounced...
Well would you sue a baseball field if you got a line drive to the face?

Would you sue a baseball field if a ball bounced off the scoreboard and it fell on you?
A player in a figth last week got charged with assault for throwing a ball in the stands and hitting a lady during a fight on the field. If he is convicted, he can easily be sued.
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BobbyM 7/31/2008 9:46am
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what about suing boot and clothing makers, helmets, scooter brand, shock brand, grip maker?
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This thread is disturbing
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wpcjs wrote:
I would say maybe in the RR17 situation, if I am out ridding in an open practice I would like to be able to assume that...
I would say maybe in the RR17 situation, if I am out ridding in an open practice I would like to be able to assume that no one is going to drive a traktor out on the track behind a blind jump.
KAWboy14 wrote:
i cant believe reynard didnt sue the ama and the track! but it doesnt surprise me that the ama didnt offer something!
I just heard about this serious like 2 months ago, not the accident, but I heard there was a settlement made non-court style, what track was this at ?

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nc_mx_kid 7/31/2008 10:14am
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NO, If you think it is okay to sue a track. THEN you are helping get more areas CLOSED.
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wpcjs wrote:
I would say maybe in the RR17 situation, if I am out ridding in an open practice I would like to be able to assume that...
I would say maybe in the RR17 situation, if I am out ridding in an open practice I would like to be able to assume that no one is going to drive a traktor out on the track behind a blind jump.
KAWboy14 wrote:
i cant believe reynard didnt sue the ama and the track! but it doesnt surprise me that the ama didnt offer something!
Sondy132001 wrote:
I just heard about this serious like 2 months ago, not the accident, but I heard there was a settlement made non-court style, what track was...
I just heard about this serious like 2 months ago, not the accident, but I heard there was a settlement made non-court style, what track was this at ?

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I think things like this happens when tracks allow riders to jump on the track at any location.

There should be one entrance, and one exit.

I know at Glen Helen, riders get flagged off, yet ride down the side of the track and jump back on.

I can't see where a track worker, in a dozer, or loader, would start working while practice is in session.

Again, there must be more to the story.
zookrider62 7/31/2008 10:48am
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nc_mx_kid wrote:
NO, If you think it is okay to sue a track. THEN you are helping get more areas CLOSED.
And if you sit by and do nothing when a track is clearly unsafe THEN youre helping children DIE.
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Cygnus 7/31/2008 10:52am
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Fuck it !!!

I just decided I am closing my track .

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huck 7/31/2008 10:59am
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Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think that you are liable?

If a spode comes up short on a double...that's his fault.

I agree that people should be responsible for their actions...including track owners.

If there is a sign up, or if it's made clear that there will be equipment on the track...then it's rider beware.

zookrider62 7/31/2008 11:02am
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Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think...
Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think that you are liable?

If a spode comes up short on a double...that's his fault.

I agree that people should be responsible for their actions...including track owners.

If there is a sign up, or if it's made clear that there will be equipment on the track...then it's rider beware.

Exactly my thought
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Cygnus 7/31/2008 11:14am
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huck wrote:
Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think...
Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think that you are liable?

If a spode comes up short on a double...that's his fault.

I agree that people should be responsible for their actions...including track owners.

If there is a sign up, or if it's made clear that there will be equipment on the track...then it's rider beware.

The problem is, all it takes anymore is the insurance company of the injured rider to investigate and the track owner could have to spend thousands to defend themselves and it just isn't worth it .
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newmann 7/31/2008 1:17pm
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huck wrote:
Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think...
Cygnus, if you are working on the landing of a blind double while practice is going on (I know you're not that stupid), don't you think that you are liable?

If a spode comes up short on a double...that's his fault.

I agree that people should be responsible for their actions...including track owners.

If there is a sign up, or if it's made clear that there will be equipment on the track...then it's rider beware.

I hate hearing about tracks getting sued and or shut down, but some of these places are just asking for it. I see stupid shit at most of the tracks I go to and make mental notes to myself and try to point them out to my kids or anyone that may be around us and on occasion to the track owner or operator if he cares to listen.

I've seen the equipment on the track while practice is going on. I've seen riders cutting back across the track to practice a section. I've seen the equipment parked on the side of the track. I see the big tree marking the corner with the 2 foot deep braking bumps leading into it.

I have to ask why a spode could even come up short on a double? If the track owner is catering to spodes and experienced riders on the same track, the track needs to be set up to handle a broad range of experience levels. Instead of doubles or triples, they either need to be tabletops, double step downs or triple step up/step down. It still offers the double or triple option for the fast guys and also a margin of safety for the lesser experienced riders. Always blows me away to see "do or die" stuff on a local track. Everybody says don't double it if you don't feel safe doing it, but what about the guys jumping over your head??

And I think all tracks should have a minimum 20-30 feet of runoff space on the sides of a track and more at the corners. Only makes sense as far as I'm concerned. The equipment was there to clear for the track, why not clear a small safety barrier off to the sides with no trees, culverts, huge tractor tires or steel 4 inch fence posts. The track pic with the utility pole in the middle of the fast sweeping downhill a few weeks ago was classic.

None of this should be difficult to do and at a minimum would make it safer for everyone.

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