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Honda of Houston is a great shop, by the way. They show up at the races in a big semi down here and they'll help anybody any way they can. Good people.
As for WWR, when Scott and you first started the project years ago, it was truly a great program helping guys struggling in the sport. I recall writing a fairly lengthy story and doing numerous interviews with privateers for 'Holeshot Magazine' to help give you guys some publicity. You certainly didn't mind paying attention to me then, even when I was critical of you giving guys the "Privateer of the Week" award when someone else obviously deserved it.
But let's be honest, WWR really isn't what it was when it started now, is it?
I'd tell you to go fuck yourself, but you'll just come back with a lengthy story about yourself from the 70's.
i think spinner doesn't like DC and DC helped plant the seed of WWR. maybe that is it. what is weird is that spinner loves hultner and hultner is a good friends with DC. I love hultner and DC and you and scott and even dave...spinner not so much. This sport and the people in it (me included) are kinda wacko.[/quote:bh2zb0rs]
When in doubt, you just make shit up? Seriously Bob, where do you come up with this bullshit?
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nothing is the same chuckie. i am still hoping team maico makes a run but i doubt it.
what is wrong with what wwr is doing these days?
as for the other stuff i just put 2 and 2 together and came up with that. when i got a story and some pics in racerx a few years ago you asked me how i did it and said something like "DC never evens answers my emails let alone publish my stuff. How did you, a flunkey unknown loudmouth (my words not yours) get his stuff in there?" I know you like chris and sherri (who doesn't?) so i was kinda stuck by the DC attitude since chris and DC are buds i think. that's where it came from chuck. sorry i used my own info and formed an opinion of your attitude. we all do it though man. I always thought you despised the alessis but the other day you said you liked him and i was wrong. sorry.
bauer...i don't think dave has ever been on wwr's case. but yea he does spew some negative stuff about other things, reminds me of a young bobbym. lmao!
what is wrong with what wwr is doing these days?
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Where have I said that what they are doing is wrong? Show me.
oh for fucksakes not the dreaded "prove it" routine. i know and remember attitudes pretty accurately chuck and yours sux (imho) towards wwr.
i guess i could search all the net posts and come up with something but it is much more entertaining watching you act like you never talked shit about scott and wwr and such. lmao!
[b:2tg1s5dt]But let's be honest, WWR really isn't what it was when it started now, is it?[/b:2tg1s5dt]
this doesn't sound like you love them does it? cut the bullshit chuck and quit dancing around. just say you hate them and what they are doing now. you sure hold grudges a long time for a man.
But EI Dave, I find it hard to believe that you're the same guy who was right there behind us from the beginning. What the hell is your deal? I mean, every time I come and look around on MD it seems like you're spewing negative garbage about something or someone, or someone is wondering why a guy with product to sell is pissing away good will by being a message board hater. Is that how you are, or do you feel like you have to uphold this curmudgeon persona you've created, or what? If you hate the sport as much as you seem to sometimes, why the hell are you involved in it?
And what's your beef with us? You and I never really hit it off as the best of pals, but I always figured that was a given and neither of us gave a shit, anyway. You were a great asset to our program for years. But just because things have changed for whatever reason and you're no longer a sponsor, it doesn't mean you have to turn all shitty towards something you helped build. I don't get it. I recall hearing some stuff about some money issues a couple years ago, but thought it got resolved. Maybe I missed something and you and Scott have some bad blood between you, I don't know.
But for the record, Heath Voss bought his own bikes from a dealer. He was adamant about racing Hondas, despite them offering him no support, or even a deal on bikes. I admit I was shocked that Honda wasn't interested in a top ten guy, but when I asked Miller about it at A1, he did a little Sammy Davis Jr tap dance and mumbled some shit about suits and bean counters and Big Red not wanting to just put bikes out there to do "the same old thing, filling out the field". So they cut off almost all of the teams they'd been supporting with bikes.
At which time I thought about their hiring of Tedesco, wondered what huge impact he was gonna make, and said nothing.
In any event, Voss obviously trusts the brand and feels most comfortable riding red. I can't say I blame him, because I felt the exact same way when I was racing...I gave a garage full of YZ 250Fs and an unlimited parts allowance back to Kenny Clark in the middle of the 1979 season because I couldn't go fast on them. I finished out the year on a couple of used Hondas that Gunnar snuck out the back door to me. The only parts I got were some works 41mm forks off one of JoJo's bikes and whatever stuff Lunniss could spare, but I was happy! Heath runs his bikes so painfully stock that I can't imagine anyone being more of a privateer than him. I wish he'd let MDK build him a motor, but he likes stock!
That's all, everyone can resume hating again...
[quote="flarider":2egh7tiy]I'm sorry, and I am not calling anyone a liar or anything, but I find it hard to believe that a guy who's been a consistent top 10 guy for 10 yrs, top 10 last season, a former factory rider, a former WSX champion, a guy with a permanent number and team leader who can get up front pit parking is incapable of scoring a few CRF450's out of American Honda, the OEM known for loading up the field with their brand.
Who'd he piss off?[/quote:2egh7tiy]
That is what I wrote, Steve.
See where it says "and I am not calling anyone a liar or anything"
Because I didn't.
I was merely stating the fact that it is surprising that someone of Voss' level has to buy his own bikes.
Am I not allowed to express my amazement in such things?
I just got off the phone with your boss, Scott
Maybe you'd like to talk to him
I have not posted anything negative about WWR on here and make a point not to.
I'll be expecting your apology on here soon[/quote:2egh7tiy]
Bauer DOES NOT speak on behalf of our program. We do not endorse his negative comments directed towards Dave. For the record, WWR thinks the world of Engine Ice and Dave and in no way want to paint him in a bad light. Dave and I talked long before Bauer posted and we are totally cool with everything. In fact Engine Ice and Proclean are a team sponsor this year in good standing. We apologize for any negative vibe that was generated by Bauer's post -- again, he does not speak for WWR.
oh for fucksakes not the dreaded "prove it" routine. i know and remember attitudes pretty accurately chuck and yours sux (imho) towards wwr.
i guess i could search all the net posts and come up with something but it is much more entertaining watching you act like you never talked shit about scott and wwr and such. lmao!
[b:xaokmkqj]But let's be honest, WWR really isn't what it was when it started now, is it?[/b:xaokmkqj]
this doesn't sound like you love them does it? cut the bullshit chuck and quit dancing around. just say you hate them and what they are doing now. you sure hold grudges a long time for a man.[/quote:xaokmkqj]
So what you have there in bold is what you consider hate? Are you fucking serious?
I would like to say EI Dave helped it all get going and that's cool as shit, Thanks Dave
Simply put there is just not enough money, People or time to help every rider not to mention some of these Amateur kids expect alot more than is available to them at the Pro Level.
Thank God Scott just doesn't say Fuck it and go do something else because that's what most people do after working so hard and putting their own money out there.
Just to let you know, nobody except our truck driver works for WWR. Everyone else is a volunteer. Yes, that means every single person donates their time. Bauer is no exception. As far as speaking officially for the program, that would be me. Obviously, if Bauer doesn't even know that Engine Ice and Proclean are sponsors this year, that speaks volumes . . .
Thanks again for being involved and keep the updates coming every week.
Andy Medin
former 85/851 mechanic
Nope, I just get tired of people in here bagging unfairly on a program that so many people work so hard to make happen every week. It's an enormous feat that Scott, Jon and Darrell pull off every week, and it's done on a shoestring budget...there are probably forty volunteers directly involved each weekend, plus the sponsors!
Break out the '78 CR, that sounds pretty fun. We'll throw on some Works Performance shocks and I'll go have a blast on it in the mud down here!
Who'd he piss off?[/quote:3srmr1ne]
That is what I wrote, Steve.
See where it says "and I am not calling anyone a liar or anything"
Because I didn't.
I was merely stating the fact that it is surprising that someone of Voss' level has to buy his own bikes.
Am I not allowed to express my amazement in such things?
I just got off the phone with your boss, Scott
Maybe you'd like to talk to him
I have not posted anything negative about WWR on here and make a point not to.
I'll be expecting your apology on here soon[/quote]
Scott's not my boss, and maybe I'd like to talk to him, and maybe I wouldn't. I haven't talked to him since last night.
Perhaps I misjudged the tone of your post; like I said, usually when I read anything you write it strikes me as glass half empty stuff. I wrote my reply before seeing your second post, where you stated that you weren't "calling anyone a liar". I must not have been the only one to perceive your first post in a negative light or you wouldn't have felt the need to clarify. Whatever the case, sorry for taking it wrong. No one likes to be called dishonest, and it would be pretty unfair to Heath for anyone to say that he's not a privateer. His bikes are so stock it's sickening!
Pit Row
i'll take an old maico and be gone forever.
i'll take an old maico and be gone forever.[/quote:13chtk57]
We can finally have that match race we always talk about! Methinks you might wanna fugedabout the Maico and give Rokon Don a call, Mr Short-Shifter!
That is the weakest apology you could possibly muster up, Steve
Aint that the truth. Setting up the WWH semi is a huge project, not to mention pulling it down and everything else behind the scenes.
Nope, I just get tired of people in here bagging unfairly on a program that so many people work so hard to make happen every week. It's an enormous feat that Scott, Jon and Darrell pull off every week, and it's done on a shoestring budget...there are probably forty volunteers directly involved each weekend, plus the sponsors!
Break out the '78 CR, that sounds pretty fun. We'll throw on some Works Performance shocks and I'll go have a blast on it in the mud down here![/quote:3vlo9x22]
I'm in here a good bit, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone bag on WWR. I might have missed a little gossip, but it couldn't have been much.
what about the other dude that was ripping off DK?
there's been plenty of ripping on scott and bauer no doubt.
weird but nobody rips on me cuz i am loved everywhere.
bob out.
ps...i kicked bauers ass then and will do it again...rokon or not. hahaha
i'll take an old maico and be gone forever.[/quote:1r2wfzia]
hehehehe...all the ones you call ji..jammers and such are lookin' real hard for that old Maico...LOL!
I mean he did pretty well on the Yamaha team and I couldnt imagine them being stockers. I'm going to assume it's not a money thing right? Just personal preference?
Either way WWH does great things for the sport and the whole program should be applauded.[/quote:2e2vc9sb]
Yeah, dumbass, he'd much rather ride a stock bike than a factory/modified bike.
its the Amsoil...
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