Anyone got any photo question?

9/30/2010 12:35pm
Thanks Paul-.
I've been reading the F out of the manual and books on composition (rule of thirds, golden triangle, golden spiral, golden rectangle). Right now I'm focusing on studio light. I've talked to a few other pro photographers as well. I'm even compiling this thread into a single word document.

Steve-
It's an honor to be called a nerd by you. I enjoy your work (words and pixels) and think your photography is underrated because it's spectacular. You have a unique composition that stands out, and I always like your color and tones. I was aware that you're one of the minority Nikon via your bio on your site.

The reason I'm worried is that I'm about to go "all in" on some glass and flashes. I like the Canons for their slightly cheaper pro glass, pixel density, video, and crop factor. I like the Nikons for their ISO and form factor (like the physical switches/buttons vs Canon's love for the menu). I know cameras are just brushes for the artist, I just don't want buyers remorse to the tune of the cost of a brand new 450!

PS: If either of you guys need a guy to pack your gear around, or do whatever else at Seattle or Washougal, please, please, please give me a message. I'll carry your telephotos around for you all day!
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9/30/2010 12:40pm
Ha! What a waste! I wouldn't ever want someone just to carry a lens around! Sheesh. If I was hanging with you, I'd want you shooting!

You won't go wrong with Canon or Nikon as long as you buy the right body. Whichever you pick, you'll learn it and love it, and that'll be that.
9/30/2010 12:52pm
I must be getting old because I was about to take him up on the assistant offer. I always see those videos of photographers shooting with help, you know "pass me that 28-70" or "turn that flash down a half a stop" stuff like that while they just stand there, must be nice.

Picards whatever brand you decide on I highly recommend B&H Photo I've bought from them for decades, they have good prices and you always get everything that the manufacturer put in the box.
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9/30/2010 12:59pm
I must be getting old because I was about to take him up on the assistant offer. I always see those videos of photographers shooting with...
I must be getting old because I was about to take him up on the assistant offer. I always see those videos of photographers shooting with help, you know "pass me that 28-70" or "turn that flash down a half a stop" stuff like that while they just stand there, must be nice.

Picards whatever brand you decide on I highly recommend B&H Photo I've bought from them for decades, they have good prices and you always get everything that the manufacturer put in the box.
Oh, Paul, you're not getting old...

Wink Woohoo

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9/30/2010 1:02pm
Yeah yeah yeah I get it.

Just because I've been shooting MX as long as you've been... alive!
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9/30/2010 1:08pm
Yeah yeah yeah I get it.

Just because I've been shooting MX as long as you've been... alive!
I know, right? Time is crazy. I'm sure it went by in the blink of an eye, too...
9/30/2010 1:16pm
Sure did, seems like just yesterday that I was shooting Pierre Karsmakers on a works Honda at Southwick.
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10/6/2010 10:07am
Okay so I've been shooting for a while now, and have been trying to work on some angles just like you told me. So now I'm posting some more photos so i can get some more feedback on them, these photos haven't been edited yet.





















So what do you think?

10/6/2010 2:06pm
Boggy, those'll work. They're pretty nice.

I like to keep riders in the upper portion of the frame when they're in the air or at least keep more space under them than over them, it just gives them an illusion of more height.

Watch the light, I know you can't control what time of day the motos are run so you have to find an angle that works best for whatever crappy sunlight you have to deal with. Here's a tip, when the sun is harshest (10AM-2PM) try backlit shots with a long telephoto or your zoom at it's longest setting.
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10/7/2010 12:59am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2010 1:06am
Hey Paul,

what are you thoughts on school/getting a degree in Visual Journalism vs. just shooting photos and knocking on doors until something happens for you.. what route did you take?

Been looking at Brooks Institute lately, ultimately I want to be freelance doing a variety of photography not working for 1 company, but many outlets.



so the question is: you think school is always necessary or just in certain fields of photography?





Another question, I've noticed when set up at a track I get to caught up in one spot, if its good. How do you guys navigate the tracks so well? when i was at Hangtown & Washougal this last summer i found it difficult to get all the shots i wanted, Im guessing this comes with experience.. it seems like the magazine photos are usually pretty diverse in track sections.

here are a few of my favorites lately

_KEP4427

Watts Wheel

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10/7/2010 3:55am
Trees, I went to the Art Institute of Boston, majored in Design and Advertising, took a photography elective to learn the basics. Would I go to photography school if I was just starting out? Maybe. Business school? Probably.

Keep in mind that there are so many people who like doing photography for fun and are so happy to see their photos published that they'll do it for free. How do you make a living competing with them?
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10/7/2010 5:26pm
You just reassured what I've been thinking. Relates to the "story" of 2 photographers, one is really good at photography but is shy and isn't business savvy. The other sucks at photos but can market himself like crazy, who gets the jobs?

I get what you're saying.
Thanks for the insight Paul, good thread btw!
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12/6/2010 3:28am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2010 3:31am
So here's a question out of the blue, do you have any advice for shooting moto with a 35mm Minolta ST101 from the late 60's?? I've been shooting with it for umm maybe around 6 years. Don't get me wrong, I like shooting with digital also, it's just so much more of a challenge to get that perfect shot with film (especially without all of the auto this and auto that).



Anywho, here are some photos I've shot with film. (Shot at Red Bud 2010 with 100 speed film on accident).









My scanner made the colors all screwy with this one, but I still kind of like it.









(After reading through this whole thread, I can already see how I can apply a lot of your tips (such as finding that background that isn't busy, positioning the rider during those air shots, etc)



And a couple digital shots from Red Bud just for fun. (Also, the digital ones were shot with a Canon point and shoot... I have since gotten a Nikon D300 which sadly I haven't shot any moto with yet).





12/6/2010 4:58am
Amy, pretty much all the same principles amy to either film or digital. Slide film is more sensitive to the correct exposure though so learning what to meter on with the Minolta will be helpful. Shooting full manual will be great training and I miss the creative freedom that not relying on a focus point used to give me.
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12/6/2010 5:15am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2010 5:18am
Is it possible to shoot full manual on the Nikon D300? I can never figure out how when in mode mode to change the aperture, so I usually just end up switching between aperture and shutter mode.



Like these I shot while switching back and forth between the two modes. The bike ones were in my garage with a CFL bulb as the only source of light. The school desk one, I signed out some studio lights from my photo class.





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12/6/2010 5:19am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2010 5:19am
Double post, my apologies.
12/6/2010 5:24am
I'm sure it's possible to shoot in full manual with your Nikon, how? If it was a Canon I could tell you in my sleep but you'll have to check you manual for that one. Move those studio lights around a bunch to see what angles you like the best.
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12/6/2010 5:43am
It was definitely fun shooting with the studio lights. Heck even with the CFL bulb on an extension cord. Here was a snapshot I got just to document how hilarious it looked at the time. Yes, that's the mulch bag off a lawn mower... My brother was awesome enough to help out.



12/7/2010 7:41pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2010 7:43pm
Great thread paul, i appreciate it! i do have a couple questions though. for only about 3 months now have i been shooting real seriously and have fallen in love with it. Especially the moto side of things. question number one is do u use flash?? and if so do u ever use off camera flash for moto type stuff or is it always fixed?

second is more technical, but i shoot with a nikon D200 with at most 8,000 shots on it. I always shoot in raw and lately i have noticed a really high amount of noise on everything from like 600 iso and up! i know that cant be right, and when up to a thousand the noise is very significant. any suggestions? the thought of my camera already going through a image sensor does not make me a happy camper.



Here is a some shots from on a Flickr set HERE if you dont mind taking a look at some of my photos and tellin me what you think. I know i have a ton to learn. That goes for anyone else too.

Thanks again

Dominick
12/7/2010 7:55pm
iRide, sometimes I do use off camera flash at the races. When I'm feeling ambitious enough to grab a lightstand and some Pocket Wizards. You can get some cool photos with OCF and now that I shoot my kids skateboarding I use OCF almost all the time for that maybe I'll use it more for moto.

Do you have older files from your D200 taken in similar conditions as your recent noisy ones? I've never shot with that camera so I'm not much help on the noise issue but if older but similar shots don't have the noise issue something might be up with that body. Keep in mind that when you lighten up a raw file you're going to increase the noise.
12/7/2010 9:29pm
thanks for the reply! i was thinking it would be cool to have some OCF's at the track, seems if your creative you can do a lot of things with them.

But yes i do and they dont even compare in the noise department! that a untouched RAW file also. no brightening of any sort. think im gonna do some serious research. im tired of having to pull it out in PS Cs5. Recomend any good photography sites and forums? maybe even action sports based ones?
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12/13/2010 6:34pm
should i set my setting to something different
i shoot with a olympus evolt E-300


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1/13/2011 7:34pm
Different than what 719? I like the top one, but then I like dark photos, others might have a different opinion.
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1/31/2011 4:49pm
hey are some pictures of mine all the way from Australia!! [
3/5/2011 5:33am
Not too bad Wicksy, looks like they could use some punching up in Photoshop but you're off to a good start.
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3/5/2011 11:20am
Not too bad Wicksy, looks like they could use some punching up in Photoshop but you're off to a good start.
Hey Paul, I was wondering what would you do to the above photo's in PS?
Some of my photos come out like this or flat and I'm not sure where to start.
3/6/2011 6:30am Edited Date/Time 3/6/2011 6:33am

Before

After
Here's what I did to this shot of wicksy85's
1. Shadow/Highlight to bring out some detail in the shadow areas. Some of the highlights were blown out completely so there was no recovering those.
2. Curves where I option dragged the black point so there would be at least one small area that went black, I like to have a full range of tones from pure white to solid black.
3. Vibrance punched up the colors without over saturating things. I think it was plus 40 on the Vibrance slider and plus 5 on the saturation slider.
4. Selective color brought some red back into the plastic.
5. a couple passes with Unsharp Mask 10-5.0-0 then 150-0.3-4
I think that was it.
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3/6/2011 11:07am
As always Paul thank you for your advice, this is a great starting point.
Maybe something like this? I'm new to PS

Before

After
3/6/2011 12:47pm
That's a pretty nice start, I think I would have tried for a little more shadow detail and maybe shot it a bit darker so the back of his shirt didn't blow out. The color is nice, sometimes it's hard to get a good KTM orange but that looks like it.

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