question for the mountain bike guys

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I want to start hitting the trails . I don't want a bike that I have to keep replacing the next weak link everytime I ride it . What kind of bikes should I be looking for ? I think front and rear squishy squishy would be nice as well as hydro discs. Just those 2 options alone I'm guessing puts me in at no less then 1700ish, I realize they get expensive really quick . Thanks in advance.
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Ask yourself if you really need the newest bike. I got a 2004 Marin Mount Vision a few years ago for $450 shipped. Dual suspension, and hydro disk brakes. All Shimano XT components. Yeah its a little heavier than the new stuff, but it goes just as fast down hill. And the extra weight is a good thing when you consider it's meant to be a workout.

Got my at the time GF a 1990's Cannondale with all new components, even brand new tires and grips. $200
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If you do want a "new" bike, look for closeouts online. You can find 4-5k bikes for 15-1800. If you want a heck of a bike, find a KHS. They arent "bro" cool like specialized, etc. but they are killer bikes and worth it. You can find leftover models all over thr internet with KHS. Seems americans dont care for them, even though its a world championship brand. Evil bikes, airbourne, several brands out there that fly under the radar and blow the trek, specialized, fanboy brands.
Look on pinkbike.com for all the info you would ever want on mtn bikes.
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I'm not limited to brand new but I am worried about buying a bike that I can't physically look at .
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Look at pinkbike. Seriously, that is where all the mtn bikers are at and they are nazis about scammers. If it says its pristine, its pristine. Those guys have it goin on.

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Cool ,I'll check it out tonight.
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Dtat720 wrote:
Look at pinkbike. Seriously, that is where all the mtn bikers are at and they are nazis about scammers. If it says its pristine, its pristine...
Look at pinkbike. Seriously, that is where all the mtn bikers are at and they are nazis about scammers. If it says its pristine, its pristine. Those guys have it goin on.
Ya, this and last years closeouts are great options. A lot of times it's basically the same bike with last years colors or minor shit.
I ride an Intense but those can be pricey, a few good options that don't break the bank (compared to others).

https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/all-mountain/sight-alloy/sight-a72/
(also have a carbon model)

https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/trail/fluid-7/fluid-71/

pretty sweet closeouts:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Complete-Bikes/GT-Sensor-Carbon-Jenson-GX1-Bik…

http://www.jensonusa.com/Complete-Bikes/Intense-Spider-275-Foundation-B…

It's all in the components, I have that same Spider frame as above but a $6800 dollar build instead of $3k. That one is on sale for a great price but has parts that would not last for me.
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Dtat720 wrote:
If you do want a "new" bike, look for closeouts online. You can find 4-5k bikes for 15-1800. If you want a heck of a bike...
If you do want a "new" bike, look for closeouts online. You can find 4-5k bikes for 15-1800. If you want a heck of a bike, find a KHS. They arent "bro" cool like specialized, etc. but they are killer bikes and worth it. You can find leftover models all over thr internet with KHS. Seems americans dont care for them, even though its a world championship brand. Evil bikes, airbourne, several brands out there that fly under the radar and blow the trek, specialized, fanboy brands.
Look on pinkbike.com for all the info you would ever want on mtn bikes.
I'll second the KHS. I've had a few and have been pleased with all of them. Like you said, they aren't going to have the most flashy paint jobs or the most extravagant catalog, but they are a great bang for the buck.
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3/14/2016 1:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2016 1:38pm
you can get into a really nice Specialized for right in the $2k range.

really it comes down to the kind of riding. if you're jumping and dropping off stuff, get something like an Enduro or Stumpy. if you're riding mellow trails and the suspension is just a comfort/convenience factor then the Camber is a rad choice.

other than that, there are so many models from so many mfrs... i bought the mid-high grade Stumpy and it's amazing. i'll be upgrading wheels and cranks this year though.

i chose Specialized because there is a local shop by my house and i like the guys there, i wasn't really wanting to research every little difference in every bike out there, i wanted something i could get on and ride the shit out of with great quality. that's what i found in my Stumpy. good luck
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I just picked up a 2009 Giant Reign for $450 in perfect shape to see if I enjoy riding again. It's not the newest greatest thing but if I actually use it I can always upgrade.
I will say it is the most fun bike to ride I have ever had. It almost pedals itself. If the newer ones are that much better then that is crazy....................
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peelout wrote:
ps... check these guys out, YT Industries

my buddy told me about them and i think i will be ordering my next bike through YT.

[url]https://dirtmountainbike.com/longform/yt-capra-al1-review[/url]
This is a good idea. YT sells direct to consumers and eliminates some middlemen.

Also, check out www.commencalusa.com for the same reason.
3/14/2016 3:25pm
on mountain bikes, went to Crankworks in rotorua on the weekend, man what those guys can jump is impressive, and the speed the downhill guys do over rough terrian is impressive as well,

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What size frame would someone who is 5-9 be looking for ? I think the bike i have now has a 17 inch frame but how does the translate when they get into S,M and L?
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Every manufacturer is different, but most have a chart you can reference. There is some overlap.
At 5'9" you'd probably land in the S to M size range. It can also depend on your proportions - for instance, I'm 6'1" but I like the L sizes over XL in most brands because my legs are shorter than those of most guys my height.
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Sizing is a little personal, and also depends on the brand.
Do a Google search on how the frame for the bike you're looking at is measured (if buying online) the old Marins were measured with the shock collapsed. Now they're measured with the shock extended. So I ride a 15.5" (16") frame at 5'10"
It's a tad small. But I like it.
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MR. X wrote:
What size frame would someone who is 5-9 be looking for ? I think the bike i have now has a 17 inch frame but how...
What size frame would someone who is 5-9 be looking for ? I think the bike i have now has a 17 inch frame but how does the translate when they get into S,M and L?
You're always better off going to a tad longer frame and swapping for a short stem, rather than the opposite (short tup tube, long stem...). Most bikes these days are moving towards the longer top tube, shorter stem, slack headtube angle, short travel fork geometry.

I'm a fan of smaller bike companies, simply because they are easier to work with should you have an issue. They really aren't more expensive than anything else, but are harder to find in bike shops since most shops are Specialized, Giant, Trek, Cannondale, Etc...

Kona, Transition, Banshee, Santa Cruz, Ibis, Pivot, etc... All great companies that make incredible bikes.

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The other route you could go would be to build your own bike from the frame up. You get a different sense of connection with your bike and you can pick and choose what parts you want to sink your money into. It will be a little pricier (unless you're patient...), but you'll end up with a bike that you chose, not one that someone chose for you that you figured you could make work... You can also sink money into parts that you think are more important (drivetrain, brakes, suspension) and save money in other areas (cockpit, crank, seatpost, etc...)

The plus side is, when you start buying parts that you really like, you can take them with you from bike to bike. For example, I have a bar, stem, grips, brakes, seat, seatpost, crank, pedals, and drivetrain that I've used on three different bikes now simply because it's cheaper for me. That way I just have to buy a new frame, fork, and wheels when I want a new bike, and can usually do it without losing any money... Free new bike every year!

For the most part, bike manufacturers only make frames, and then use aftermarket parts to build them into a bike to market to people. This means pretty much everything that comes on a bike is universal (or at least compatible with a ton of other frames). It also means that they will charge you more for a fancy frame, and then downgrade the specs that come on it to advertise a lower price... So just do your research on what comes on it before you buy...

Then go ride the piss out of it, regardless of what you get!



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I did some research last night ,what kind of components seem to fit the bill for toughness ? I see alot of bike with X7 and X9 so I'm guessing those must be decent . Is there anything as far as components I should steer clear of ? Are most cassettes created equal or close?
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Perfect starting out bike. Change what you dont like as you get comfortable on it and on the trails. First thing i would change on it would be the wheelset. I would have a set of Industry9 hubs laced up to some better rims. The ZEE components are fine until you decide to start racing it, then you would want to go to an X series. Other than that, this has all you need for a killer price
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3/15/2016 8:59am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2016 9:03am
MR. X wrote:
I did some research last night ,what kind of components seem to fit the bill for toughness ? I see alot of bike with X7 and...
I did some research last night ,what kind of components seem to fit the bill for toughness ? I see alot of bike with X7 and X9 so I'm guessing those must be decent . Is there anything as far as components I should steer clear of ? Are most cassettes created equal or close?
honestly man, if i were you, i would find a decent bike in the $750-$1500 range and ride it for a year. if you really grow to like it and love it, then you'll upgrade from there and have a better idea of what kind of components and bike you're going to want to be riding.

i see too many of my friends drop $5k on a new bike then ride it 5 times because they just can never get into it. that's a lot of coin to drop on something that you may or may not really enjoy.

the other thing is my buddy bought a Specialized Camber for $1300, he liked it but he wanted to start hitting parks instead of cross-country and that bike just isn't built for that riding, so he sold it and bought a DH bike and he can't get enough. i have other friends that did the exact opposite.

i'm an all-mountain/xc type rider but i want to hit the parks from time to time, so i'm in the market for a 2nd bike that is more park friendly.

my .02
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MR. X wrote:
I did some research last night ,what kind of components seem to fit the bill for toughness ? I see alot of bike with X7 and...
I did some research last night ,what kind of components seem to fit the bill for toughness ? I see alot of bike with X7 and X9 so I'm guessing those must be decent . Is there anything as far as components I should steer clear of ? Are most cassettes created equal or close?
I wouldn't go any lower than X9 (Sram) or XT (Shimano). It will make your experience quite a bit more pleasant if you're not constantly fighting your shifting...

That being said, if you see yourself liking mountain biking, you'll probably have the desire to upgrade some things down the road. Wheels and suspension are the best upgrades you can make, but they are the most expensive to do... So you have two options: 1) buy a bike with nicer wheels and suspension now and upgrade drivetrain components as they wear out, or 2) buy a bike with a nicer drivetrain and upgrade wheels and suspension down the road. Option 2 will be cheaper to start, but you'll have more money into it in the long run (because you'll have to swap drivetrain components in either case).

For the most part, cassettes are all the same as far as performance, but the more expensive ones are lighter. Most aspects in the biking world revolve around shedding weight, so that's the number one reason one part is more expensive than another... You MAY get better shifting out of a nicer cassette, but with your limited experience I don't think you'll notice. A good mechanic is better than a good cassette, and if you get any drivetrain set up properly, they all work great.
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What's your terrain like? Are you going to be doing a lot of climbing? Any chairlift/shuttle runs?
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The elevation change is moderate where I plan to ride the most ,just really nice high speed trails with the obvious roots and rocks showing.
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3/15/2016 9:32am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2016 9:43am
http://www.mtbproject.com/trail/814983

Here is where I would ride during the week afterwork as it's in the middle of where everyone is located ,we have steeper trails more south in ski country that would ride on weekends as well.

http://www.mtbproject.com/trail/565265

And this is another spot.
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MR. X wrote:
http://www.mtbproject.com/trail/814983 Here is where I would ride during the week afterwork as it's in the middle of where everyone is located ,we have steeper trails more...
http://www.mtbproject.com/trail/814983

Here is where I would ride during the week afterwork as it's in the middle of where everyone is located ,we have steeper trails more south in ski country that would ride on weekends as well.

http://www.mtbproject.com/trail/565265

And this is another spot.
I would probably stay away from a downhill bike then, simply because they suck if you ever have to go uphill...

Get something with 120mm-160mm of suspension. A bike with too much travel gets really heavy and tends to bob with every pedal stroke, making your job much tougher.

I would even think about going to a 29" wheel bike, simply because they feel a little more stable (like a motocross bike) and it's quite a bit easier to keep your momentum. You can also get away with less suspension travel on a 29er, since the wheels smooth out some of the bumps anyway.

A used Salsa Spearfish or Horsethief would be a good option...

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