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This reminds me of the skateboard scene. Before my city opened up a park, the city was always complaining and fining people for skating on the streets. So they opened up a skate park and now the place is packed on the weekends. Of course there are still some who do it illegally but now people at least have choice to go do it legally.
If the mx community doesn't get together and support each other, and help each other keep areas open and help new riding areas open up. Then that track that is now 2 hours away, will soon be 5 hours away.
My fucking city took a skidsteer and busted our ramps, fsu. they in return built an unrideable skatepark/pool in the shittiest part of the city. Wanna ride? Bring a fucking broom and a guy topside to tell you when the beer bottle is incoming..
So, your legal skatepark bull is just that ...bull.
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What this guy says.....its a monopoly evidently
'government does not pay for this we do ... I have no idea if this will diminish illegal street riding. Not my problem. But the City has land. They are asking a private company for some solution. To me the problem is not enough legal riding places locally. I hope to make money. I hope to offer a safe place for dads and moms and kids to ride or race if they want.'
He's a junior at UW, and one of his profs is a big time skater. In fact, he's the biggest donor and founder of a private vert ramp.
http://seattle.vertramp.org
Wish i could sample some of that goodness.
http://wstein.org
As a PE, I'd expect a measure of exactness about terminology and such. Most engineers that I know personally are pretty exact in everything, especially their verbiage.
Aplman, I could tell you stories over beers.....it would be good times
Pit Row
Glory days
He definitely uses it as a stress relief, the way I used to use riding when I was younger. I don't think most people understand the wide variety of people at a skatepark, like the professor I linked to above, or the doctors, lawyers, police officers, etc. My son had a high school vice principal with a half pipe in his back yard!!! They helped him prep that thing every spring.
I'm pretty proud of my "skater punk" who's taking 500 level math classes in his junior year of college and was named the outstanding Junior for his (800 student) math department last year as a 19yo Sophomore, but there are still jackholes who can't believe he's a bright kid if he skateboards.
You are so blessed man, I'm glad for you!!
Funny how it is/was if you have a board you are troublemaker/nonconformist loser.y circle encompasses lawyers, teachers, engineers as you mentioned....
We never amounted to shit....hahahah
Your young man is pretty damn awesome in my book.
Skating is an individual thing, as you know. no team sports, you are as good as you try to be.
You are a good Dad man. Keep on what ur doing.
Here's what a 20yo skater punk does. This was fall quarter, junior year. The class that doesn't count towards GPA was a research class in which he published a paper. The Math 504 class is a graduate level class, but he's almost out of undergrad math classes to take.
But, Christian was whacked the fuck out on three hits of extacy during the contest....he banged my buds girl all night after (sucked to be him) lol. I was bunked on the floor in the living room....pretty awesonme. lol
You have a seamstress to sew the buttons back on your shirt?
Makes me wanna book a flight
He's snowboarded with a few "big name" guys, but he's a lot better rider than skater I think. He's not going to be making money at either, but he's made some great friends at each.
His first year at school he went by himself to Delridge Park (West Seattle) and he ran into a few guys from his campus Bible study group. None of the group had ever talked about skating, but they just happened to show up at the same place at the same time.
Again, you just never know who you'll find at a skate park, and folks who dismiss them all are probably missing out on some good people who are also really good athletes.
Bible study skaters, don't get no better than that man.
I've seen lots worse, been lots worse.
Today, I'm a better man. The peeps you meet at the skatepark (papa's, mama's)
all have crazy backgrounds.....but...a love of skating.....Ihave no children, but wish I did.
Enjoy your blessing, your son is AMAZING
In this deal, a permit will be needed for each government agency who claims jurisdiction.
Here, probably Baltimore City, Maryland State and at the very least EPA.
Mxcouncil will need to supply plans, and sometimes a business model on procedures he will use.
They will not tell you what you need, or whose book they follow.
You figure that out for yourself.
And each jurisdiction will probably use a different book.
And the kicker is, every one of them, every code book out there, first set of pages it will tell you, "local rules and ordinances override the contents of this code".
In my business, there are a dozen code books out there, international mechanical code, boca, acca, smanaca,
all making a living off making rules.
If I remember correctly, there is really only one code book out there designed specially for motocross track construction.
We got one here when we built the vintage track for the event we run.
Not that we really needed it, hey, it's West Virginia. By following that book, and having it approved by WV officials
It will be very, very hard for anyone to fuck with it in the future.
That is the stuff I sent to Mxcouncil years ago. Effin book cost over 600 bucks. Anyone needs one I can probably
get the name of it, it's around here somewhere.
And yes, it is very, very, detailed, to the point of being anal.
How wide the entrance road needs to be, how big a crown the road needs to have, how big the runoff for the road needs to be, how big the stones of gravel for the runoff need to be, how many trees or bushes are required in what order along this runoff need to be, at a maximum
slope of some fucking degree, taken from some point of the actual road, if the soil is of one type.
Different types of soil, different requirements.
And that's just the road to get in there.
He might even have to conduct a survey to show the existing public road is designed and able to carry the additional traffic the track will bring.
Irrigation, soil management, track width, pit area requirements, public rest rooms, it goes on, and on, and on, and on,
and on, and on, it's just crazy.
And until you satisfy every requirement, for every jurisdiction, and every engineer that works there, you ain't getting
Nothing. And every time you submit, it's another fee, another wait time for review. Some permits, they allow themselves years each time you submit.
That's how they play you. They don't want it in, it ain't gettin in.
Now, you can appeal your plans permit application when it gets denied, there is a whole process for that.
It's usually a board, with the engineers, some ordinary citizens and the permit people. Sometimes someone
or certain departments will have a legal guy there also.
You make your case, the permit people make theirs, and they vote.
The big thing Mxcouncil has going for him on this one, is Du Burns.
He's been a City official for at least 30 years.
He has the power to pick up the phone, and call the head of permits and say "this is a go".
And it will go, at the City level anyway.
That the State, the EPA and whoever else thinks they have something to do with it will stand aside is another issue altogether .
And as far as not making money, anyone that thinks a guy shouldn't, after figuring this out and actually doing it is crazy.
He deserves it. Take it as a salary if it's classified as a non profit, a fucking big salary, just like the guys from The United Way, The Red Cross, Goodwill and all the others do.
Easy to discount those that are only upset because someone may get something the rest of us never could but what about the residents that don't want the nuisance, let alone tax burden, & simply want law enforced. The same reasons none of us have a place to ride.
im curious about a few issues often see mentioned by Baltimore residents opposed to this... Once its in operation & someone gets hurt, what would the city's liabilitiy be in all this?
If it proves to have no effect on the illegal riding, do you expect the complaints from residents opposed to noise, nuisance, etc to threaten it's existence & would the city even try to justify continued involvement?
Lastly, are city officials ever told this has nothing to do with illegal riding & that's not a concern?
The City may be thinking hell, we will hand out vouchers to any kid that lives in the city limits.
Just to get them off the streets.
Not that that will work, but that's how they think.
As far as flak from the neighbors, if the city is behind it tough crap.
If the land is zoned commercial, or industrial, they most likely can't say a thing.
If it's residential, a variance will need to be granted, everyone in a lets say 300 yard raidis from the track is notified,
A public hearing is set, and the City will still do what they want.
Liability, if it's a private entity, the private entity is liable.
Wait till mxcouncil gets the quotes on that.
Tax burden, should be none, the City should actually get taxes from it, unless mxcouncil can get around them
by running it as a nonprofit .
As far as telling the government what's up, why he's doing it. why bother, they came to him.
It's their idea, let them figure it out.
As long as they don't put some kind of requirement on fees and discounts to city residents, who cares.
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