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Went to a gun show with my buddy 10 years ago and he was buying a rifle. He got a DWI about a year earlier. They ran a check on him and he was denied. Never said why, but that is only thing on his record so he guessed that was why.
And yeah, the automatic weapon part was hilarious. It's amazing how many people don't know what they don't know and still present it as factual.
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After you pass the Check you can say "nah, I don't wanna gun. Just wanted to see if you'd check me."
Even then, a form 4473 is incredibly limited (meaning, ineffective) when it comes to people who are mentally unfit to own weapons. This has been proven time and time again with the wave of mass shooting events in this country; most of which bought their guns 100% legally.
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We'll talk about the pressure cookers when we get there, but since the latest round of mass shootings have pretty much been exclusively done with firearms that mentally insane people purchase legally; we can hold off on the metal diarrhea and purely hypothetical arguments and focus on the actual trends occurring.
Inform yourself; don't let the NRA (or anyone else) do your thinking for you.
Basically...NO private sales allowed on the property that is hosting the gun show - that means inside or outside in the parking lot - you can be arrested.
When I lived in Florida in Pinellas County it was illegal to do private sales or trades at gun shows and the cops would set up stings.However,in adjoining Counties it wasn't.So obviously more people would attend those shows with their private collections and try to trade off or even sell with no BG checks.
That's what they are trying to prevent.
In the State of Washington now - ALL private sales require a NIC's check.
Even for a guy selling a .22 rifle off ArmsList.
My advice in regards to shows...if they want to stop people from attending shows that shouldn't have guns or ammo.
Just make everyone pass NICS before entering(excluding minors accompanied by adults).
Or put a new system in place similar to NICS - that checks people at the door.
Seems like it would be easier and it would even keep people who aren't allowed to have firearms from purchasing parts and ammo at shows. The price of the check could be added into door admission.
1 NICS check is already good for all day - if you save your number.
You can use it at other dealers without them calling you in again.
It's an idea...
Whether it would really reduce gun crime or not is beyond me,I don't have a working crystal ball.
I believe private transactions are made largely outside of gun shows. And the fact that they're calling it the "gunshow loophole" proves that they're arbitrarily trying to vilify gun shows. There are no loopholes that the gunshow provides rather it really should be called the "straw man loop hole" or even call it a third party loophole. Because that is exactly what it is.
I've attended shows from coast to coast and have been going to them on a somewhat regular basis since around 1990.
I used to even set-up booths at them often when I worked in the industry.
I also did it as a private seller for a short period of time also,basically bartering.
Mainly always did a lot of trading with other trusted private parties.
I would love to see the shows go back to the days of how it used to be.
With mainly private party collectors trading buying & selling and very few FFL dealers with jacked up prices.
It seems these days ,it's a lot of over priced dealers,rather than collectors looking to trade.
IMO - it's sorta ruined the shows - they used to be like swap meets in a sense - now they are dealer shows.
A new system with a pre approved NICS transaction could possibly set a trusted foundation for open trading
like it used to be. Possibly maybe even temp FFL's that are good for 3 days to collectors/traders.
I'm just trying to think outside the box on what could be done to keep the bad people OUT and even make the shows better for those who attend.
I think there's always room for improvement with the systems we have in place.
And like Watson said in this tread - we need to make it harder for mentally unfit people to own weapons and ammo in general...And personally I don't believe these sorts of people have any business attending the shows and the same goes with criminals. It's what originally gave the shows a bad name.
They started becoming a problem in some counties and all around the country in general for various reasons.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me ,but like I said I'm just throwing ideas out there.
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BUT....
There's gotta be some laws in regards to legitimate sales because dangerous people do exists.
Having total non-infringement for every person that is in this country would be crazy.
Especially inmates in prisons and on death row.
Or even guys out on bail for murder or on parole.
Guys that have been convicted of armed violent crimes etc...
They've got to drawl a line somewhere....
Where to draw the line has always been the realistic question.
Deterrents are obviously a mental thing and don't physically stop people - but we still need them to a certain degree.
They can define whats acceptable in society in a sense.
But - how well would our prison system work if they didn't infringe on the inmates 2A.
Or how worse would society be or even schools if it didn't infringe on minors 2A.
I could list many infringements that releasing them could be very detrimental to our society.
I just see it as we have to draw the line somewhere.
Having 2000 guys on death row armed with 50.cal Barrets, that's insane to me if we can prevent it.
Do you think they would sit there peacefully?
Making it legal for a 7 or 10 year old to be able to walk into hardware store and cash & carry a Cobray Mac-11 semi auto and take it to school would be pretty crazy. Kids these days would do that sorta shit.
I'm giving you extreme examples OBVIOUSLY.
But there needs to be a place we draw the line.
Got to love the gun nuts and the NRA
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Oh wait. They ship the gun to the dealer...to set you up with a NICS background check
Read all the RED on the gunbroker.com ads.
non-transferable samples are aka as post dealer samples and pre-may dealer samples.
I'll add this stuff in for those who are wondering.
you don't need to be a class 3 dealer to buy a full auto. you can do a full transfer, in state, private party sale without a FFL dealer
all NFA items are transferred on a Form 4
all NFA items are transferred on a Form 4, require passport photo and fingerprint cards, unless transfer is to a trust or corporation that is already on file.
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