Road to Supercross???

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Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 11:02am
Rules are rules I guess but man it makes you wonder who thinks up the rules sometimes. And who is overseeing those rules?

I noticed that Zac Commons is signed up for tonight in San Diego for the SX yet he only rode one AX and scored one point. Bloss scored two points last night and could possibly get his third point tonight but was told that he would have to go to another city and score another point. He's been to two cities but since he didn't score a point there it didn't mean anything. Commons scored one point in one city and is on down that Road.

I wonder how much the Arenacross regulars are enjoying these guys that have to race this only to bail out as soon as they can?

I'm just hoping that the other guys getting ready to jump in there can get their points quick and get out. Forkner is waiting a few rounds to let the heard hopefully thin down some and it makes me wonder if Sexton is doing the same.

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oldmotoyamaha14 1/16/2016 10:12am
1/16/2016 10:12am
Road block to Supercross.

A rider could be .250 of second from getting a point (equal to .500 of a second on SX track) thus is considered not worthy to sign up for an Sx race. Who is to say that the rider may be faster than the point earner when Sx rolls around for the next year?
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SJK 1/16/2016 10:13am
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There has been few another options to get SX license too. If rider have earned before 2014 good enough A class result at Loretta's or gained enough Pro Am points, they get license that way. There has been several riders using those. In Zac's case Pro Am points could be the option (and mean that he would have been eligible for A1 too) Also having a license in another country may work out too. And of course there is last option according rules "The AMA may issue a license to any rider who does not meet the above criteria at its sole discretion. This option will only be used in
very rare occasions when special circumstances apply."
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DownSouth 1/16/2016 12:07pm
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It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed 1 more last week to earn his SX license?
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Phillip_Lamb 1/16/2016 2:43pm
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if you read the rule book AX isnt the only option. you can qual for lorettas in the a class or pro sport class or i think at the least you just need to provide proof that your fast enough?

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DownSouth wrote:
It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed...
It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed 1 more last week to earn his SX license?
Zac has 1 Road to SX point and according to the AX site he is not eligible for his SX license.
He is on the entry list for tonite's AX race.
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DownSouth wrote:
It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed...
It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed 1 more last week to earn his SX license?
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Zac has 1 Road to SX point and according to the AX site he is not eligible for his SX license. He is on the entry...
Zac has 1 Road to SX point and according to the AX site he is not eligible for his SX license.
He is on the entry list for tonite's AX race.
He is racing San Diego and set the fastest time of the 250 C group in session 1.
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DownSouth wrote:
It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed...
It looks like Commons is on the track in practice for San Diego. Did he have 'Road to SX' points from last year and just needed 1 more last week to earn his SX license?
Starcrossed wrote:
Zac has 1 Road to SX point and according to the AX site he is not eligible for his SX license. He is on the entry...
Zac has 1 Road to SX point and according to the AX site he is not eligible for his SX license.
He is on the entry list for tonite's AX race.
DownSouth wrote:
He is racing San Diego and set the fastest time of the 250 C group in session 1.
I'm aware of that, even before your post above. I was considering that got his SX license after he signed up to race the Baltimore AX, but he didn't get it thru the Road to SX.
skippy mcdermott 1/17/2016 6:26am
1/17/2016 6:26am
The Road to SX is as laughable as the AMA Is at enforcing their own rules.. The favorites get special treatment whether it be gate pics or parking spots in the pits.

The rules are clear on qualifying for SX license and the AMA officials allowed Commons to race without going through the same hoops as other riders.

The loophole was closed allowing Loretta's reusults to get your license, and a number of top amateurs last year drove all over the country to get qualified ( spending $$$$$$ to do it)
Bloss won Open A pro sport and the Horizon award ( as well as scoring national points in 450 outdoors last year) but is still having to jump through the hoops.

Commons was Not eligible for San Diego- period. ( clearly he was capable- again making the argument that this is an expensive and un-necessary step for these top kids)
Wake up AMA - the little credibility you have left is hanging by a string
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skippy mcdermott wrote:
The Road to SX is as laughable as the AMA Is at enforcing their own rules.. The favorites get special treatment whether it be gate pics...
The Road to SX is as laughable as the AMA Is at enforcing their own rules.. The favorites get special treatment whether it be gate pics or parking spots in the pits.

The rules are clear on qualifying for SX license and the AMA officials allowed Commons to race without going through the same hoops as other riders.

The loophole was closed allowing Loretta's reusults to get your license, and a number of top amateurs last year drove all over the country to get qualified ( spending $$$$$$ to do it)
Bloss won Open A pro sport and the Horizon award ( as well as scoring national points in 450 outdoors last year) but is still having to jump through the hoops.

Commons was Not eligible for San Diego- period. ( clearly he was capable- again making the argument that this is an expensive and un-necessary step for these top kids)
Wake up AMA - the little credibility you have left is hanging by a string
Didn't Commans have some Road to SX points from last season? The whole system is ridiculous, and is nothing to do with safety as they claim. It's all about getting some of the top amateur riders to the AX and trying to get more people through the door to watch it.
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RG1 wrote:
Didn't Commans have some Road to SX points from last season? The whole system is ridiculous, and is nothing to do with safety as they claim...
Didn't Commans have some Road to SX points from last season? The whole system is ridiculous, and is nothing to do with safety as they claim. It's all about getting some of the top amateur riders to the AX and trying to get more people through the door to watch it.
No. He didn't enter any AX races in 2015.
SlowOldGuy 1/17/2016 7:10am
1/17/2016 7:10am
I'm going to take a stab at showing how this happened. The AMA haters and conspiracy theorists are not going to believe it, but I think this is how it went down:

2013 AMA SX Rulebook:

Page 35

Requirements for SX License 2013 or 2014

d. Qualifying through other programs

1. Earn at least 75 points through AMA Pro/AM MX Series

Zach had 75 Pro AM points in 2014 in the 250 and 86 points in the 450 Pro AM thus meeting the requirements for his SX license in 2014.

OK, now lets go to 2016

2016 AMA SX Rulebook

Page 17

Section 3.2 SX License Requirements

e. Riders who earned a 2013, 2014, or 2015 AMA SX License may apply for a 2016 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2013, 2014, 2015.



So Zac met the criteria to earn a license in 2014 but never applied because of injury. Based on Section 3.2 / e. he can apply in 2016 based on the fact that he earned the right to apply in 2014.

Pretty sure Zac went to Cinci AX not knowing this. It was pointed out to him, he applied, and was approved. His one point in Cinci had nothing to do with his approval.

[i]Disclaimer - I may or may be right about this but it is a way, that within the rules as written, that Zac could have gotten his license.
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Starcrossed 1/17/2016 7:17am
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^thanks for pointing that out^

Great nite for Zac to come home with 3 points in his SX debut. He probably only gets better from here.
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Cygnus 1/17/2016 8:05am
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Just proves the loop hole works.
Bandito121 1/17/2016 8:27am
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Phillip_Lamb wrote:
if you read the rule book AX isnt the only option. you can qual for lorettas in the a class or pro sport class or i...
if you read the rule book AX isnt the only option. you can qual for lorettas in the a class or pro sport class or i think at the least you just need to provide proof that your fast enough?
How? Bloss wins the pro sport and Horizon award at Lorettas and can't go straight to supercross. Taft won the 250A and has to do the Arenacross dance. So will Forkner and Sexton etc etc etc. Meanwhile, I know a few guys that earned their points through pro ams years ago that try and qualify at supercrosses that can't even MAKE it to lorettas in the A classes, let alone win it, because their lack of speed. Road to supercross is as big of a joke as the AMA's rider advancement system.
skippy mcdermott 1/17/2016 8:58am
1/17/2016 8:58am
Phillip_Lamb wrote:
if you read the rule book AX isnt the only option. you can qual for lorettas in the a class or pro sport class or i...
if you read the rule book AX isnt the only option. you can qual for lorettas in the a class or pro sport class or i think at the least you just need to provide proof that your fast enough?
Read the latest rules. Only way in without AX is a foreign license
SlowOldGuy 1/17/2016 9:38am
1/17/2016 9:38am
skippy mcdermott wrote:
Read the latest rules. Only way in without AX is a foreign license
Skippy,

You need to read all of the rules, like this one in the 2016 book:

2016 AMA SX Rulebook

Page 17

Section 3.2 SX License Requirements

e. Riders who earned a 2013, 2014, or 2015 AMA SX License may apply for a 2016 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2013, 2014, 2015.
skippy mcdermott 1/17/2016 10:24am
1/17/2016 10:24am
skippy mcdermott wrote:
Read the latest rules. Only way in without AX is a foreign license
SlowOldGuy wrote:
Skippy, You need to read all of the rules, like this one in the 2016 book: [b]2016 AMA SX Rulebook Page 17 Section 3.2 SX License...
Skippy,

You need to read all of the rules, like this one in the 2016 book:

2016 AMA SX Rulebook

Page 17

Section 3.2 SX License Requirements

e. Riders who earned a 2013, 2014, or 2015 AMA SX License may apply for a 2016 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2013, 2014, 2015.
Commons did Not qualify under the rules in any of those years - he did not ride AX last year- that negates 2015, he did not win A class in 2013 or 2014 You see, under the current rules, which refers to previous years, you have to apply the rules in place at that time- thus - Commons was not qualified for SX. He still needs two AX points to get his license technically- but the AMA officials were well aware and allowed him to compete anyways.

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SlowOldGuy 1/17/2016 10:31am
1/17/2016 10:31am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 10:36am
skippy mcdermott wrote:
Commons did Not qualify under the rules in any of those years - he did not ride AX last year- that negates 2015, he did not...
Commons did Not qualify under the rules in any of those years - he did not ride AX last year- that negates 2015, he did not win A class in 2013 or 2014 You see, under the current rules, which refers to previous years, you have to apply the rules in place at that time- thus - Commons was not qualified for SX. He still needs two AX points to get his license technically- but the AMA officials were well aware and allowed him to compete anyways.
Skippy,

2013 AMA SX Rulebook:

Page 35

Requirements for SX License 2013 or 2014

d. Qualifying through other programs

1. Earn at least 75 points through AMA Pro/AM MX Series


There was no requirement to win A class or even ride LLs, just the requirement to get 75 points which he did in both classes. That option is in the 2014 rulebook as well on page 38.
skippy mcdermott 1/17/2016 11:02am
1/17/2016 11:02am
So Commons just didn't know? That's why he went acros the country for one AX ? That's why he said he needed to do the road to SX in Racer X ? That seems plausible.

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