Since the topic came up, let's look at it.

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Before 1970 it was illegal for a man & woman to live together if they were not married. Several decades have passed and let's look at what the facts reveal about "living together" outside of marriage.

In 1970 523,000 11%
1980 1,589,000
1990 2,856,000
2000 5,500,000 50%

With children:
1980 27%
1990 31%
2000 35%

50% were previously married
34% have never been married
16% had children while living together

There are five reasons that people commonly give for living together (shacking up). They are:
We want to find out if we are compatible with each other.
We do it because it makes good sense financially.
We don’t like to live alone (companionship).
Everyone else is doing it (rationalization).
We’re going to get married eventually. We’re in love.

Welcome to the real world;

1. far greater chance for divorce. 49% of all couples that marry end up getting divorced. 75% of couples that shack up end up getting divorced. (Alan Booth and David Johnson, Premarital Cohabitation and Marital Success, pp.261-270).

2. Greater odds for conflict. Living together outside of marriage increases the risk of emotional & physical abuse. Pennsylvania State University study. According to the U.S. Justice Department, women are 62 times more likely to be assaulted if living with a man unmarried than if they were married. The Family Violence Research Program at the University of New Hampshire found that the overall rate for “severe” violence is nearly 6-times as high for cohabitating couples than it is for married couples (Journal of Family violence vol. 41).

3. Less chance for happiness. It is hard for a person to be happy if his or her relationship is built on the need to prove himself or herself. In a shack up arrangement, commitment is day-to-day and month-to-month. “If you make me happy. If we are sexually compatible..” People who marry “til death do us part” have quite a different level of commitment, and therefore quite a different level of security, thus a quite a different level of freedom, and as a result a quite different level of happiness. A recent study of 6,023 couples reported significantly higher levels of happiness in married partners than did cohabitating partners. The married couples report less depression, less anxiety, and lower levels of psychological distress. And, according to the National Institute for Mental Health, women who ‘cohabit” with men have rates of depression three times higher than married women.

4. Greater risk of adultery. Sexual faithfulness is one of the many areas that is negatively impacted for couples who shack up. This pattern continues into their marriage if they wed. A Michigan study shows that couples who waited to cohabit until after they were married (the correct way) were more likely to rate those relationships stronger than those who lived together before marriage. If a woman lives with a man prior to marriage she is more likely to cheat on him once they are married. 3.3 times more likely. Contrary to popular belief, the best sex is experienced by married people (The National Sex Survey of 3500 people, and then 1,000 people).

5. Reason number 5. Less likelihood of saying “I do.” A common reason couples give for shacking up is that they are going to get married anyway. According to Brown & Booth, only about half of couples who cohabit eventually marry. Other studies have shown similar or worse findings. Living together before marriage actually decreases the chances that a couple will marry. The odds are greater that they will not. Shacking up is a high-risk – low reward option.


Summary:

If you and your girlfriend “cohabit” your chances for

Divorce are 50% greater
Aggresion (domestic violence) is 50% greater
Of not Marrying is 50% greater.

Would you parachute out of an airplane if you knew one of every two parachutes would fail? Probably not. Adding an unnecessary 50 percent failure rate would probably make the bravest of us say “No thanks.” The wise choice is to marry first and then live together.

Here is a testimony hot off the griddle. "I am in a cohabitation relationship going on a year now and I love the person dearly but living together is just not enough for me anymore. I want marriage, but in a way, I think that he is just comfortable the way things are now and I feel as if he could make me wait forever. I will never do this again should my boyfriend and I break up. I just feel like I am doing all that a wife does and more and I don't get anything out of it. The stats scare me considering that we are currently engaged and I am just frightened. I don't even want to marry him now. I just want to move out and start over." tears... (used with permission).


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12/16/2008 5:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:32pm
To be fair, maybe we should consider whether marriages among people who regularly attend church have experienced more divorce over the same time span. You know, just to show how those relationships are about as stable today as they were in 1970. Also, since we want to encourage people to get legally married in the hope that they'll stay together, maybe we should be advocating for legal marriage among homosexual couples.

Those are just a couple of thoughts to help you continue to develop your theme, Ger.
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12/16/2008 6:01pm
Shacking for kids from Christian homes is right at 24%. Those who call themselves atheists are 51%.

Thanks, but the theme is very well developed currently, and it isn't real pretty.

Counseling for premarital couples continues to be an asset in preparing for marriage, in some cases they simply realize that they aren't for each other.

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12/16/2008 6:05pm
Care to name your unbiased source for those stats, Ger?
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12/16/2008 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:32pm
Hi Kaspar. People know when they are married. It's not complicated. Marriage is based on a covenant. It is based upon a public comittment where a male & female chooses to join themselves to their spouse for life.

If the above stats don't impel you with the fundamental difference already, then perhaps nothing I can say to you will be useful. The girl in your illustration has degraded herself emotionally, sexually and spiritually, when all she was looking for was true love and comittment. Beware of people who want you for what they can get out of you. They will take what they want and move on, taking an irretrievable part of you with them.

Real marriage is about giving, not taking.



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oG

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`ol Ger wrote:
Shacking for kids from Christian homes is right at 24%. Those who call themselves atheists are 51%. Thanks, but the theme is very well developed currently...
Shacking for kids from Christian homes is right at 24%. Those who call themselves atheists are 51%.

Thanks, but the theme is very well developed currently, and it isn't real pretty.

Counseling for premarital couples continues to be an asset in preparing for marriage, in some cases they simply realize that they aren't for each other.

0G
So this well-developed theme is that couples who live together outside marriage are less stable than married couples? Wow, that's a revelation. And again, that means we should be encouraging all those gay couples to get married, right? And considering the paper-thin difference in stability of relationships between churched and unchurched couples, I'm not sure the conservative church has the credibility to chastise the world for its sins of the flesh. Naturally, you don't see it that way, I know.
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12/16/2008 6:28pm
Your desire for a homosexual conversation in this thread is non sequitur. I suggest that you start another thread where you can discuss it. This thread is focused on the male-female relationship.

Thanks,


oG
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12/16/2008 6:30pm
assuming your stats are accurate, what do they mean?

Do they mean that shacking up is worse, or that people have become less committed so they choose not to get married?

Do they mean that people that choose not to get married have all of the above characteristics and thus, rightly so, choose not to get married?

Commitment is in the heart of the person. It is either their character or it's not. Choosing to get married does not make one committed....of course, in many cases, folks might should be committed for choosing to get married.
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`ol Ger wrote:
Your desire for a homosexual conversation in this thread is non sequitur. I suggest that you start another thread where you can discuss it. This thread...
Your desire for a homosexual conversation in this thread is non sequitur. I suggest that you start another thread where you can discuss it. This thread is focused on the male-female relationship.

Thanks,


oG
Well, when you decide you're going to explain ethics to the world, it's helpful if you're prepared to deal with ALL the people in the world. And the question of "so why do you oppose gay marriage?" is so obvious that you should have had an answer ready.
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12/16/2008 6:38pm
TX, howdy. The facts point to a number of consequences that are unforseen when a couple decides to cohabit outside of marriage. At the time, they cannot see the conflict or depression that ultimately results. I realize that aberrant cases exist, but they are few.

How's the weather in Weatherford?
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You know, ger, there's actually an excellent answer to the gay marriage deal. The answer is that the state can't regulate marriage at all - since marriage is a spiritual union that bond two people with the sanction of God as embodied in a church. In reality, the state can only regulate legal issues - the state can only regulate civil unions, regardless of the makeup of the people who wish to enter into such a union. In reality, ALL couples who are "married" without the sanction of a church are shacking up - they are not actually married, they are living under a civil union that they're CALLING a marriage.

The solution is obvious - if a couple wishes to create a family and share property and rights but don't want to go to a church and invite God into the relationship, they go to the state and get a civil union agreement. If they wish to have God's sanction, they go to a church and get married. That's the way it should be.
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12/16/2008 6:48pm
How do people that aren't married get divorced?
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Now, now boys.
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12/16/2008 6:50pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:33pm
Hey Camp. Perhaps I should have made that a bit more distinct. That is the stat for people who have cohabited and THEN gotten married. People who do not cohabit demonstrate less consequences after marriage for some reason.

regards,


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12/16/2008 6:54pm
Are you sure about that? Is this your synopsis of a published article?
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`ol Ger wrote:
TX, howdy. The facts point to a number of consequences that are unforseen when a couple decides to cohabit outside of marriage. At the time, they...
TX, howdy. The facts point to a number of consequences that are unforseen when a couple decides to cohabit outside of marriage. At the time, they cannot see the conflict or depression that ultimately results. I realize that aberrant cases exist, but they are few.

How's the weather in Weatherford?
cold for N. Texas...

I disagree, or atleast, I believe an equivalent argument can made that the people are suffering from conflict and depression and it cascades into their relationships.

I know you want to believe that it is the sin that is the cause and the depression or other issue is the consequence, but, none of your statistics make that case. It might be true, but I believe the cause and effect could be equally argued as the opposite of what you say.
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Spinner wrote:
Care to name your unbiased source for those stats, Ger?
Hello?

Wanna post up that unbiased source?
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He can't. He is out prowling for hookers and trying to score some blow, said something about the big Jersey New Years Eve bash, and wanting to come..
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Spinner wrote:
Care to name your unbiased source for those stats, Ger?
Spinner wrote:
Hello?

Wanna post up that unbiased source?
you mean biased?
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12/16/2008 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:33pm

"Before 1970 it was illegal for a man & woman to live together if they were not married."


Excuse me?




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12/16/2008 8:28pm Edited Date/Time 12/16/2008 8:29pm
My two best friends and I all shacked up with our girlfriends in 1990. Two of us married after three years and are still married today. The other one broke up at the 13 year mark. That's a 66% success rate for the shackers. Therefore, I determine that shacking up makes your relationship 16% more likely to succeed than couples that marry into cohabitation. You'll be a happier, more complete person if you shack up with your girlfriend before getting married.
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12/16/2008 8:31pm Edited Date/Time 12/16/2008 8:37pm
So, the report stacks numbers, but evaluates nothing. Smart. If some scientist or engineer walked in my office with that simplified load of shit, he'd be looking for a job.

But, I'm sure the layman's mind finds it informative.
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Let's also not forget, boys and girls, Uncle Ol Ger here also believes (and can find some obscure and biased data to back him up, but won't tell you its origins) that couples should be virgins and/or abstain from any premarital sexual relations prior to marriage.

So, don't live together and don't fuck, before marriage
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12/16/2008 9:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:33pm
flarider wrote:
Let's also not forget, boys and girls, Uncle Ol Ger here also believes (and can find some obscure and biased data to back him up, but...
Let's also not forget, boys and girls, Uncle Ol Ger here also believes (and can find some obscure and biased data to back him up, but won't tell you its origins) that couples should be virgins and/or abstain from any premarital sexual relations prior to marriage.

So, don't live together and don't fuck, before marriage
Or.....if/when you question anything posted by him, it's met with long winded bullshit involving obscure passages from the bible that makes as little sense as he does.

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CamP wrote:
My two best friends and I all shacked up with our girlfriends in 1990. Two of us married after three years and are still married today...
My two best friends and I all shacked up with our girlfriends in 1990. Two of us married after three years and are still married today. The other one broke up at the 13 year mark. That's a 66% success rate for the shackers. Therefore, I determine that shacking up makes your relationship 16% more likely to succeed than couples that marry into cohabitation. You'll be a happier, more complete person if you shack up with your girlfriend before getting married.
CamPs a shacker.

lol
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Hey Ger, I'm one of the minority "so far" that shacked up, got married, had kids and stayed happily married.

For the question out there "what's the difference between living together and being married", one word comes to mind.

Commitment

With out that, you have nothing. Some might argue you can have commitment without making it legal, I just happen to disagree.
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Hey Ger, I'm one of the minority "so far" that shacked up, got married, had kids and stayed happily married. For the question out there "what's...
Hey Ger, I'm one of the minority "so far" that shacked up, got married, had kids and stayed happily married.

For the question out there "what's the difference between living together and being married", one word comes to mind.

Commitment

With out that, you have nothing. Some might argue you can have commitment without making it legal, I just happen to disagree.
Another Shacker.

They are everywhere, living in our neighborhoods, teaching our kids in school. Who would have ever thought there were so many.

Dam Shackers are tearing this country apart.


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12/17/2008 6:35am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:33pm
Hey Olger,

It's Christmas, why not take the rest of the year off from judging others. You've earned the break.

thanks,

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12/17/2008 6:35am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2008 6:37am
and I'd like to see some proof that it was "illegal" prior to 1970 for a man and women to live together.

Where was it illegal, all 50 states? Or was this a Federal law I didn't know about.

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