crank rebuilding and cylinder boring

mxrose3
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11/2/2015 7:58pm
newmann wrote:
I didn't ask about porting, just chamfering the ports and relieving the exhaust bridge. That is the most important part of a bore job for an...
I didn't ask about porting, just chamfering the ports and relieving the exhaust bridge. That is the most important part of a bore job for an early CR125M and a step most local machine shops overlook as they are not in the dirt bike business.
I guess to properly answer your question is I can bore and hone and I have bored several cr125m cylinders this summer if you want port...
I guess to properly answer your question is I can bore and hone and I have bored several cr125m cylinders this summer if you want port chambfered and exhaust bridge cut out relieved you will have to do that yourself ,
newmann wrote:
Fair enough, just let people know that they need to finish the job before they snag a ring or stick a piston and come back complaining...
Fair enough, just let people know that they need to finish the job before they snag a ring or stick a piston and come back complaining to you. I have a bunch of cylinders to be done and just don't have the time to devote to cleaning them all up when they get back from the machinist so I have been looking for someone to do mine. Millenium Technologies has done a dozen plus chrome lined cylinders for me and their work has always been flawless in all respects. They have to relieve and chamfer before any plating is done as it cannot be done after the fact. Has anyone had a cast iron bore done there? Do they chamfer and relieve as required and how much do they charge? Some of us aren't in the market for a $39.95 bore job.
Newmann, I knew I was probably going to have to port chamfer and relieve the exhaust bridge myself. I have the capability to do that, I just don't have the ability to bore a cylinder - thats all I was looking for, and 19673ontree did exactly what I asked of him for a very nice price. But yes, maybe he should make that clear to any potential customers.

By the way - the 87' CR is running great....
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11/3/2015 2:07am
Ok I have a question guys , if I buy the tools and offer boring and list it like below what would be a fair price to ask for ,,,,,

#1 cylinder boring
#2 port chamfering
#3 relieve exhaust bridge
#4 hone

All done by me , that seems like a lot for the $39.95 I now charge , I know people here local wont pay much more ,
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11/3/2015 2:49am
Also I would like to thank everyone for all the replies !
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11/3/2015 3:34am
Wow, woke up this morning and this post came to life last night, I wanted to comment , however I am understanding this man makes his living providing these services.

Here we go, I will just say I've bored a lot of cylinders and learned the correct methods through experience. This I believe is a case of you get what you pay for, and the cylinder seen in the photos will work.

Now to why I asked to see your hone selection earlier, in the last photo you had provided in cylinder boring 101 look close at about 11 o'clock, trained eyes can see the metal smear/chatter from cutting to much metal at one time, you have to look past the cross hatch to see this, when you bore a cylinder and do a quick hone, how do you know the cylinder is perfectly round, I have never seen a cylinder come off the boring bar perfectly straight, it's the honing that get them perfect. that last couple thousands is where you can work out the tapers using a bore gauge, however this takes time.

Again is cost is a factor then this man is provide an economical service to get your bike on the trail. If your building a competition engine where all tolerance are critical, ask Ontree to spend the extra time boring the cylinder to perfection.

I've seen home made hone tanks that work very well with out having to buy a sunnen machine, you will never recoup the investment, little things line prepping the gasket surfaces will ensure your jug is square on the boring jig. Hours can be spent prepping cases and cylinder before any assembly work begins. Respectfully, Wolfy

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11/3/2015 3:44am
wolfy0067 wrote:
Wow, woke up this morning and this post came to life last night, I wanted to comment , however I am understanding this man makes his...
Wow, woke up this morning and this post came to life last night, I wanted to comment , however I am understanding this man makes his living providing these services.

Here we go, I will just say I've bored a lot of cylinders and learned the correct methods through experience. This I believe is a case of you get what you pay for, and the cylinder seen in the photos will work.

Now to why I asked to see your hone selection earlier, in the last photo you had provided in cylinder boring 101 look close at about 11 o'clock, trained eyes can see the metal smear/chatter from cutting to much metal at one time, you have to look past the cross hatch to see this, when you bore a cylinder and do a quick hone, how do you know the cylinder is perfectly round, I have never seen a cylinder come off the boring bar perfectly straight, it's the honing that get them perfect. that last couple thousands is where you can work out the tapers using a bore gauge, however this takes time.

Again is cost is a factor then this man is provide an economical service to get your bike on the trail. If your building a competition engine where all tolerance are critical, ask Ontree to spend the extra time boring the cylinder to perfection.

I've seen home made hone tanks that work very well with out having to buy a sunnen machine, you will never recoup the investment, little things line prepping the gasket surfaces will ensure your jug is square on the boring jig. Hours can be spent prepping cases and cylinder before any assembly work begins. Respectfully, Wolfy
Now here we have a man with some expertise....and skills....and the ability to point out the errors in a politically correct manner...well played Sir !
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11/3/2015 6:20am
Oldnslo,

I've seen your work over the years and know your a perfectionist. The builds are second to none. For this reason in my opinion, when you point out things only a trained eye may catch you go the Donald Trump route I'm using the Ben Carson communication, however, by no means does this mean I favor one or the other candidate! politics are not my flavor.
11/3/2015 7:04am Edited Date/Time 11/3/2015 7:05am
I literally have a $200 bike, so a 39.99 bore is perfect lol. I'd agree that for mission critical applications, I'd probably pay more. The pics look fine to me.
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11/3/2015 7:31am
Yep thats true , and a good point , lots out there just like you aceofspades , guys I do a good job on this stuff for the money ive had no problem at all ,,
mxrose3
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11/3/2015 8:06am
wolfy0067 wrote:
Wow, woke up this morning and this post came to life last night, I wanted to comment , however I am understanding this man makes his...
Wow, woke up this morning and this post came to life last night, I wanted to comment , however I am understanding this man makes his living providing these services.

Here we go, I will just say I've bored a lot of cylinders and learned the correct methods through experience. This I believe is a case of you get what you pay for, and the cylinder seen in the photos will work.

Now to why I asked to see your hone selection earlier, in the last photo you had provided in cylinder boring 101 look close at about 11 o'clock, trained eyes can see the metal smear/chatter from cutting to much metal at one time, you have to look past the cross hatch to see this, when you bore a cylinder and do a quick hone, how do you know the cylinder is perfectly round, I have never seen a cylinder come off the boring bar perfectly straight, it's the honing that get them perfect. that last couple thousands is where you can work out the tapers using a bore gauge, however this takes time.

Again is cost is a factor then this man is provide an economical service to get your bike on the trail. If your building a competition engine where all tolerance are critical, ask Ontree to spend the extra time boring the cylinder to perfection.

I've seen home made hone tanks that work very well with out having to buy a sunnen machine, you will never recoup the investment, little things line prepping the gasket surfaces will ensure your jug is square on the boring jig. Hours can be spent prepping cases and cylinder before any assembly work begins. Respectfully, Wolfy
Wolfy, thanks for your insight. I'm planning on sending a cylinder to Eric Gorr for the 144 over the winter, but this was just to get the bike running quickly without sinking a lot of money into it right now. I knew what he was offering, and he did it quickly, which was what I was looking for.
I've already got the 88' connecting rod in it in preparation for the 144.

11/3/2015 10:14am
Yep thats true , and a good point , lots out there just like you aceofspades , guys I do a good job on this stuff...
Yep thats true , and a good point , lots out there just like you aceofspades , guys I do a good job on this stuff for the money ive had no problem at all ,,
My 2000 kx250 is sleeved already; is a 2mm over bore advisable, or is that too much? I'm thinking at least 1mm , but I'd love more grunt.
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11/3/2015 10:41am
1MM is 0.040 over 2MM is 0.080 over you could do the 2MM but you would be out of luck if you keep the bike and ever need it bored again , up to you
11/11/2015 6:40pm
You aren't close to the Buchanan mine are you 19673? I used to work there, and I'm pretty close to you if so. I'm about 15 miles from Elkhorn ky.
19673ontree
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11/11/2015 11:07pm
Yea im 15 min from elkhorn city ky on the va side
11/11/2015 11:50pm
Damn lol. I'll probably hand deliver my cylinder to you when I'm ready, then lol.
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11/11/2015 11:57pm
Yep that will be fine

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