2011 yz250f clutch problems ?

Eric_Karwat
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2011 yz250f clutch isn't disengaging when going into gear bike will creep forward but no power ? bike will still shift gears but remains at a very low speed but RPMS will go up if on throttle ? Any answers to what is causing my bike to do this ?
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7/30/2015 5:03am
Grooves in your hub and clutch basket.

Replace.
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7/30/2015 5:56am
Okay so just replace the main hub an the clutch basket , and the bike will have power again ? An idea to what causes this , as I got the bike used .
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7/30/2015 6:08am
Did you by chance have Barnett Kevlar fibers in it? If so, better go ahead and replace the pressure plate as well.
7/30/2015 6:21am
Sounds simply like your clutch is just slipping. Revs will go up but bike just crawls along giving you the feeling of having no power. Try some new EBC CK2355 plates or equivalent and some fresh oil.

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7/30/2015 6:39am
newmann wrote:
Did you by chance have Barnett Kevlar fibers in it? If so, better go ahead and replace the pressure plate as well.
No I'm pretty sure there the OEM fibers in there how can you tell if there burnt up though
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Sounds simply like your clutch is just slipping. Revs will go up but bike just crawls along giving you the feeling of having no power. Try...
Sounds simply like your clutch is just slipping. Revs will go up but bike just crawls along giving you the feeling of having no power. Try some new EBC CK2355 plates or equivalent and some fresh oil.
Exactly it will rev up high but it just crawls in every gear
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7/30/2015 7:06am
newmann wrote:
Did you by chance have Barnett Kevlar fibers in it? If so, better go ahead and replace the pressure plate as well.
No I'm pretty sure there the OEM fibers in there how can you tell if there burnt up though
You can generally tell by the smell of the oil.

Alternatively, you can get a micrometer and measure them. Yamaha has the specs in the manual and if they're below the lower limit, they definitely need replacing.
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7/30/2015 8:18am
Metal plates are warped.
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7/30/2015 8:24am
There is also a adjustment on the pressure plate that as the plates wear the push rod bottoms out against the arm that the cable hooks to.

There should be free play in that arm ,if not then that has fried the clutch thru slipping and warped the plates.
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7/30/2015 8:24am
Okay so where should I start then replacing clutch plates first ?
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7/30/2015 8:36am
When I pull the clutch I'm now there's nothing it's like the clutch does not exist the lever just comes back an stays as if it's pulled in even when you let go of it it stays there
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When I pull the clutch I'm now there's nothing it's like the clutch does not exist the lever just comes back an stays as if it's...
When I pull the clutch I'm now there's nothing it's like the clutch does not exist the lever just comes back an stays as if it's pulled in even when you let go of it it stays there
Is the cable still hooked at the engine?

If it is sounds like your cable is frayed in the housing. This would then not let the clutch fully engage and fried it.

Yes,just replace the plates and make sure there is freeplay in the arm on the engine the cable hookes to.

And replace the cable if it isnt moving freely thru the housing.
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7/30/2015 9:05am
When I pull the clutch I'm now there's nothing it's like the clutch does not exist the lever just comes back an stays as if it's...
When I pull the clutch I'm now there's nothing it's like the clutch does not exist the lever just comes back an stays as if it's pulled in even when you let go of it it stays there
hillbilly wrote:
Is the cable still hooked at the engine? If it is sounds like your cable is frayed in the housing. This would then not let the...
Is the cable still hooked at the engine?

If it is sounds like your cable is frayed in the housing. This would then not let the clutch fully engage and fried it.

Yes,just replace the plates and make sure there is freeplay in the arm on the engine the cable hookes to.

And replace the cable if it isnt moving freely thru the housing.
Okay it's hooked to the engine , so do i have to open the left side of the engine to replace ?
7/30/2015 9:35am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 9:40am
First, unhook clutch cable to the lever on the engine. To do this, I grab a pair of slip-joint pliers (channel locks) to turn the lever to get enough slack in the cable to disconnect it at the engine.
If you have more than 3 hours on the oil, drain the oil. If not, lean the bike over on the L side. (So the R side is up)
Loosen up the rear brake pads (compress the rear caliper piston) this will allow you to push the rear brake lever down far enough to get to all of the bolts on the Right side of the engine for the clutch cover... I believe there are 6 or 7 of them, pretty sure they are 8 mm. Cover should come off very easily.
Then there are 5 bolts for the pressure plate. when you lift that up, watch for a single ball bearing on the end of the clutch rod, you do not want to lose this. Then the metal and fiber clutch plates come out.
Check the clutch basket for abnormal wear or any grooves. The proper way to remove the basket is with an impact wrench. This does not have to come out if the basket is ok and you're just doing the clutch plates.

Putting the clutch plates back in, ensure you alternate between fibers and metals, and that all of the metal plates face the same direction (it's hard to see but they are different on each side), it does not matter what direction they face as long as they all face the same (unless what I've been doing for years is wrong).
Put the ball bearing back on the clutch rod, then the pressure plate and the 5 bolts with new clutch springs if the old ones don't measure up or have been so hot they turned blue.
Make sure you do the proper torque on these bolts in the right sequence... It's something like 5ft/lbs but check the manual for that... Be sure you are using an in/lb torque wrench, just multiply the ft/lb torque spec by 12 to give you the proper in/lb reading on the wrench (Ie, 5ft/lb is 60 in/lb)
Then put the cover back on, fill the bike with oil, make sure that your clutch cable pulls with zero effort, no snagging etc and then put it back on the lever. You will have to adjust your cable slack at the bar lever.

It's honestly a very simple job, takes me about 10 minutes once everything is set up.
I soak the new clutch fibers the night before I do the job typically, though I have been in a rush and let them soak for only an hour and I didn't notice a difference (I soak them in new oil, the same that you put in the bike).
I have the best luck with stock replacement Yamaha fibers and discs... I've tried others, and never liked them as much for various reasons.

Make sure the bike is clean before you do any work like this, and make sure everything stays spotless during the procedure, change gloves if you need to.

It sounds like this might be something that is over your head, if so, find someone that knows what they are doing and have them show you. However, I'm pretty much entirely self taught by using manuals, youtube etc so I will never discourage anyone from teaching themselves, it's the best way to learn.
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7/30/2015 9:37am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 9:39am
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7/30/2015 9:49am
Alright sounds good , an yeah I've been watching YouTube lol seems very simple my thing is what if the cables frayed in the housing ?
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First, unhook clutch cable to the lever on the engine. To do this, I grab a pair of slip-joint pliers (channel locks) to turn the lever...
First, unhook clutch cable to the lever on the engine. To do this, I grab a pair of slip-joint pliers (channel locks) to turn the lever to get enough slack in the cable to disconnect it at the engine.
If you have more than 3 hours on the oil, drain the oil. If not, lean the bike over on the L side. (So the R side is up)
Loosen up the rear brake pads (compress the rear caliper piston) this will allow you to push the rear brake lever down far enough to get to all of the bolts on the Right side of the engine for the clutch cover... I believe there are 6 or 7 of them, pretty sure they are 8 mm. Cover should come off very easily.
Then there are 5 bolts for the pressure plate. when you lift that up, watch for a single ball bearing on the end of the clutch rod, you do not want to lose this. Then the metal and fiber clutch plates come out.
Check the clutch basket for abnormal wear or any grooves. The proper way to remove the basket is with an impact wrench. This does not have to come out if the basket is ok and you're just doing the clutch plates.

Putting the clutch plates back in, ensure you alternate between fibers and metals, and that all of the metal plates face the same direction (it's hard to see but they are different on each side), it does not matter what direction they face as long as they all face the same (unless what I've been doing for years is wrong).
Put the ball bearing back on the clutch rod, then the pressure plate and the 5 bolts with new clutch springs if the old ones don't measure up or have been so hot they turned blue.
Make sure you do the proper torque on these bolts in the right sequence... It's something like 5ft/lbs but check the manual for that... Be sure you are using an in/lb torque wrench, just multiply the ft/lb torque spec by 12 to give you the proper in/lb reading on the wrench (Ie, 5ft/lb is 60 in/lb)
Then put the cover back on, fill the bike with oil, make sure that your clutch cable pulls with zero effort, no snagging etc and then put it back on the lever. You will have to adjust your cable slack at the bar lever.

It's honestly a very simple job, takes me about 10 minutes once everything is set up.
I soak the new clutch fibers the night before I do the job typically, though I have been in a rush and let them soak for only an hour and I didn't notice a difference (I soak them in new oil, the same that you put in the bike).
I have the best luck with stock replacement Yamaha fibers and discs... I've tried others, and never liked them as much for various reasons.

Make sure the bike is clean before you do any work like this, and make sure everything stays spotless during the procedure, change gloves if you need to.

It sounds like this might be something that is over your head, if so, find someone that knows what they are doing and have them show you. However, I'm pretty much entirely self taught by using manuals, youtube etc so I will never discourage anyone from teaching themselves, it's the best way to learn.
Possible cable is frayed in housing ? If so how to go about that lol
7/30/2015 9:57am
Just replace the cable. Unhook from engine side, then at the lever on the bar, take a couple of pictures of how the cable is routed through the bike and then put the new one on, super simple. Use your pics if you forget where it goes. I think all you'll need is an 8mm socket to get the front number plate off, and channel locks to give you slack like I described earlier.

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