The Real Side Of The Story ?

kkawboy14 wrote:

Disabled and vandalized are to different things. Vandalize: 1) to destroy or deface by vandalism They did not destroy the bike. Your analogy is correct in...

Disabled and vandalized are to different things.

Vandalize:
1) to destroy or deface by vandalism

They did not destroy the bike.

Your analogy is correct in that in a court someone would have to pay for the holes in the wall even tho they were invited in but if while in court I could prove it was actually my house because you didn't pay me for the house no payment would then be demanded.

In this case they did not destroy the bike and in no way would they win in a court of law damages, with all the facts on the table.


This is an issue tho of MXsports determining that they should limit access of a company and its employees due to its actions, in an isolated instance with a rider who doesn't even ride their series anymore.

"Did you grant permission for them to plug into your bike?.....yes?.....ok, you guys take your dispute somewhere else! If anything like this ever happens again in our playground by either one of you, you won't be invited back!"

h&m_cycle wrote:

DL succeeded in effecting the outcome of sporting event... NASCAR & whoever else... it would be a life time ban... Doesn't matter if Cade is a...

DL succeeded in effecting the outcome of sporting event... NASCAR & whoever else... it would be a life time ban...

Doesn't matter if Cade is a top 5 rider or a 40th place rider...

h&m_cycle wrote:

h&m_cycle wrote: You can't effect the outcome of a sporting event... It doesn't matter how fast or slow the competitor is... You can not "alter" the...

h&m_cycle wrote: You can't effect the outcome of a sporting event... It doesn't matter how fast or slow the competitor is... You can not "alter"
the outcome...

DL was not a competitor, fail
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Fail, what kind of Bullshit is that??? You can't effect the outcome of a sporting event... He did....
He wasn't a competitor has nothing to do with it... His "actions do"

h&m_cycle wrote:

h&m_cycle wrote: You can't effect the outcome of a sporting event... It doesn't matter how fast or slow the competitor is... You can not "alter" the...

h&m_cycle wrote: You can't effect the outcome of a sporting event... It doesn't matter how fast or slow the competitor is... You can not "alter"
the outcome...

DL was not a competitor, fail
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Fail, what kind of Bullshit is that??? You can't effect the outcome of a sporting event... He did....
He wasn't a competitor has nothing to do with it... His "actions do"

ToolMaker wrote:

It's just not that black and white. If your only criteria is that he "affected" the outcome, did Kawasaki affect the outcome when they terminated DM's...

It's just not that black and white. If your only criteria is that he "affected" the outcome, did Kawasaki affect the outcome when they terminated DM's contract that close to the race? Obviously the outcome was different without Davey in the mix but nobody is going to say Kawasaki changed the outcome of the race. So there is more to it than that.

h&m_cycle wrote:

Davi got his ass [b]fired[/b] , no one [b]Sabotaged the bike a hour before a moto[/b] American Pharoah won the triple crown... The owners could of...

Davi got his ass fired , no one Sabotaged the bike a hour before a moto

American Pharoah won the triple crown... The owners could of seen fit to replace the jockey before the race...
If the horse got second, NO ONE effected the outcome of the race...

Now if "anyone" tied to the Belmont Horse Race or NOT stuffed cotton up the horse's nose before the race that's effecting
the outcome of the event...
and would be effecting the betting public which would cause someone to go to prison for a long time...

I'm using the horse race as a "example" that horse is being monitored 24/7...

The Jockey is the same as Davi... American Pharoah is the same as the Monster Energy Kaw 450F...
You CAN'T TAMPER with either one before an event....

People have fantasy picks (some money is involved) there's contingency money involved...

ToolMaker wrote:

Let's agree on some common ground. 1: people should pay their bills 2: We both don't like how it went down 3: people should pay their...

Let's agree on some common ground.
1: people should pay their bills
2: We both don't like how it went down
3: people should pay their bills
TM

ToolMaker wrote:

Let's agree on some common ground. 1: people should pay their bills 2: We both don't like how it went down 3: people should pay their...

Let's agree on some common ground.
1: people should pay their bills
2: We both don't like how it went down
3: people should pay their bills
TM

h&m_cycle wrote:

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ToolMaker wrote:

me too, where did you find that little guy?

mark_swart wrote:

My ruling: After hearing both sides, I believe if Lieb is banned, than Clason (and team) should be suspended also until this issue is resolved by...

My ruling:

After hearing both sides, I believe if Lieb is banned, than Clason (and team) should be suspended also until this issue is resolved by both parties. I hate to say that, and it sucks that the rider would have to pay the price, but he is essentially riding stolen property.

Lieb should have pursued a solution within the legal system, and then presented documentation of the legal proceedings to MX Sports for their decision on whether or not a rider should have been allowed to compete on a stolen (or at least contested) machine.

Either way, this sucks for all involved. Just pay the guy already so everyone can move on!!

JBernard_401 wrote:

why are people saying they should have automatically start filing for a court civil case? isnt that a a bit jumping the gun, as the grandma...

why are people saying they should have automatically start filing for a court civil case? isnt that a a bit jumping the gun, as the grandma had already paid 2 of the 3 payments, and just had been avoiding communication.

is that really necessary?

in theory he took the keys back to his own 'car' until the person owing them money would hopefully pay him. and it looks like he was trying to get paid there on the spot.


and why is it the clasons 'property' MORE than its leib's?
"going to another riders paddock and disabling their bike"?
what about going to another riders paddock to get back YOUR bike they DIDNT PAY FOR.

sounds like don had more 'ownership' than they did, thus not taking anything of 'theirs' away from them to begin with.

Underdog999 wrote:

If you are talking that way(edit you put it this way first, I am just pointing out how you put it in these terms).... if someone...

If you are talking that way(edit you put it this way first, I am just pointing out how you put it in these terms).... if someone makes 2/3rds of the payments, then it is more Cade's bike than Don's. Don would only own 1/3 of the bike.

The point is, Don messed with the bike in the pits. He should NEVER, EVER have done this period, for whatever reason. EVER!

When he couldn't get in touch with the granny, that is when he should have filed in court.

mark_swart wrote:

My ruling: After hearing both sides, I believe if Lieb is banned, than Clason (and team) should be suspended also until this issue is resolved by...

My ruling:

After hearing both sides, I believe if Lieb is banned, than Clason (and team) should be suspended also until this issue is resolved by both parties. I hate to say that, and it sucks that the rider would have to pay the price, but he is essentially riding stolen property.

Lieb should have pursued a solution within the legal system, and then presented documentation of the legal proceedings to MX Sports for their decision on whether or not a rider should have been allowed to compete on a stolen (or at least contested) machine.

Either way, this sucks for all involved. Just pay the guy already so everyone can move on!!

Spankey wrote:

I agree, It's like when two people get in a fight at a Bar, doesn't matter who started what , both are thrown out!

mark_swart wrote:

My ruling: After hearing both sides, I believe if Lieb is banned, than Clason (and team) should be suspended also until this issue is resolved by...

My ruling:

After hearing both sides, I believe if Lieb is banned, than Clason (and team) should be suspended also until this issue is resolved by both parties. I hate to say that, and it sucks that the rider would have to pay the price, but he is essentially riding stolen property.

Lieb should have pursued a solution within the legal system, and then presented documentation of the legal proceedings to MX Sports for their decision on whether or not a rider should have been allowed to compete on a stolen (or at least contested) machine.

Either way, this sucks for all involved. Just pay the guy already so everyone can move on!!

Spankey wrote:

I agree, It's like when two people get in a fight at a Bar, doesn't matter who started what , both are thrown out!

KennyT wrote:

That is true. Don should have been tossed for what he did and Cade should have been arrested for having a bike with ground off serial...

That is true. Don should have been tossed for what he did and Cade should have been arrested for having a bike with ground off serial numbers

Spankey wrote:

I agree, It's like when two people get in a fight at a Bar, doesn't matter who started what , both are thrown out!

KennyT wrote:

That is true. Don should have been tossed for what he did and Cade should have been arrested for having a bike with ground off serial...

That is true. Don should have been tossed for what he did and Cade should have been arrested for having a bike with ground off serial numbers

kkawboy14 wrote:

Then we all could have lived happily ever after, like Shrek!

KennyT wrote:

That is true. Don should have been tossed for what he did and Cade should have been arrested for having a bike with ground off serial...

That is true. Don should have been tossed for what he did and Cade should have been arrested for having a bike with ground off serial numbers