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At the current development level of the four strokes is there really any need to separate 250f and 450f's? Guys on a limited budget can go to a 450 which some are already doing or they could go to the two stroke class especially if they've been running one as an amateur.
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Maybe Kawasaki will step it up and make sure he has a spare or at least the parts and someone who can fix it for him so he can practice on it before one of those big races he is contracted to ride.
Then again, maybe Tomac feels he gets better results on race day when he spends some track time on a smoker during the week.
BTW, this 2t vs. 4T crap is ridiculous. Ride WTH you want to and move on. Good Grief.....
http://vurbmoto.com/blogs/cairoli-2016-ktm-125-pinned/24403/
Have you ever heard of a highly paid top tier rider not having a practice bike that works the week before the opening race?
Or did you get upset about the Honda reference?
Not at all, but infer from my comments what you like.
Don't sweat the small stuff.
To argue which is the better for the job, kinda funny really.
The reality is, the powers that be want the 4 strokes on the track and in your garage.
That's what they want, and will go to great lengths to see that end.
Used to piss me off, but hey, racing is racing, if that's what they want to provide, and everyone is on the same thing, so what.
As long as the playing field is even, even if it's on lawn mowers, the best will rise to the top.
It's just kinda sad, to think where we 'd be, if the factories did half of what they've done for the 4s, for the 2s.
If anyone saw and heard McGraths 250, at a National, the year Henry broke his back, I dunno, 95 or 96, you'd know what I 'm talking about.
With 2 strokes next to nothing breaks the real winners are companies for premix.
The reason why pros ride 4 strokes is because regulations and you don't get factory rides on a 2t.
I see the tides turning there clearly is a larger demand for 2 strokes these days.
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Watching four strokes race in comparison is like watching floats go by in the Rose Bowl parade.
Pretty sure that is a vicious rumor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFsMgTwFcTs
Are you blind or just stupid?
Or both?
Introducing the 2016 KTM 125
"The engine of the 125 SX has been known to be the most powerful and most competitive engine of the class. But it was time to give a new push to the segment and set a clear statement, that the two-stroke technology is going to have a successful future due to its outstanding power-to-weight ratio, low cost and simplicity. The newly developed 125cc engine for 2016 features a completely new architecture with the latest KTM engineering know-how and the most advanced technology in the class. The result is that it produces better power all over the rev range while being more compact and 4.4 pounds lighter"
Once again, build a bridge and get over it dude!!! Your anti 4 stroke and pro 2 stroke tirade gets real boring real quick.
Is that correct?
Fact is, like it or not that most average riders go faster on a 4 stroke than a 2 stroke, riders have a choice to buy either, if you want others to produce them then petition those people, moaning and groaning about it here is not going to change things.
you are correct the average rider can go faster on a 4 stroke , i do faster lap times on a 4 stroke but you forgot the main reason 2 strokes are more fun to ride , cheaper to run and you don't need to up grade your bike every season before a 4 stoke needs an engine rebuild .
if you are a pro racer yes race a 4 stroke , if you ride for fun do a few little races here and there 2 stroke is the way to go :-}}
I think we are taking the fact that these pros took a two stroke for a spin way out of context like they are dropping their 450's for 250 smokers and running nationals on them. The only reason Tomac took out the CR is to finish a moto and that was the only bike he had. Lots of these other pros like RJ Hampshire, RV, Chad Reed, etc who were on two strokes outside of their factory bikes rode them just because it was fun. Given the choice between the two on race day which one do you think they are going to chose? Two strokes could make a come back in pro racing in the states, but unfortunately the AMA is being a pain about it and teams that attempt racing them usually quit mid season. But even if the AMA lifted their rule for the 250 pro class, manufacturers that canceled their two stroke programs aren't going to start spending millions developing new two strokes when their 4 stroke bikes are making money for them.
As far as costs, motocross isn't cheap, never has been, and never will be. I have found for me personally that it costs me about the same to maintain my 450 as my 250. Air filter and oil changes (tranny oil on 2t) cost the same. Rebuilds between the two are about the same too. My 450 will need a rebuild after about 40-50hrs where my 250 needs one after about 20 or so. Add up the costs doing lets say 2 or 3 rebuilds on a two stroke in the time my 450 needs to be rebuilt and they are about the same price to be honest. The only difference is when a four stroke goes boom, it is pricey for a rebuild when things are FUBAR.
Both motors are sweet and people need to stop this stupid feud. Who cares? Just ride!
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