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Unions are not even close to being the problem on why the auto makers are going down the tubes. In this case shit does not run down hill. management fucked this up not the plant workers. To think otherwise would make a person border line retarded.
It is "retarded".
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On many occasions I have seen "I can't do that, that's another union" to "I am not allowed to move anything"
Ask people in the industry (you know this Tweeker) why we don't have SX in the Northeast...Unions
Unions just do things differently. They provide a lot of work direction that management normally provides, they oversee their own safety issues that management normally does, stuff like that. If a company is set up to work with unions, they eliminate a whole layer of management that they'd normally provide and various HR issues they normally grapple with are out of their hands. Again, I'm not pro-union; I'm just saying that there's no reason to think unions are going to stop progress and make business impossible. On balance, I don't like them but if you follow the process you can do whatever you need to do, and there ARE some benefits.
We don't have any union construction companies locally. The nearest is over 45 miles away. But if they hire a local company to remodel a room or paint something, they have to be prepared for the construction unions elsewhere to come strike the place because a non-union painter is there. In a strike, the union guys who work at the plant cannot cross the picket line. But they cannot picket the employees only gate 50 feet away, so they guys can still go to work. In a strike, if we had to deliver a sign, we'd have to go through the gate being picketed.
Stupid.
You must not go to very many industrial sites. You go through the gate you're told to enter and exity by. You drive on the roads that you're told to use. You go to the bathroom where you're told to. You smoke only in designated areas. You refrain from horseplay. You don't bring weapons or drugs on site - even legal drugs for which you have a perscription. You don't bring in any cameras. Every chemical in your vehicle must have a current MSDS in your posession. You must have a current list of tools and supplies that you bring in. You can be refused access at any time for any reason. You wear hard hats and safety glasses, and you may be required to wear steel toed shoes. You may be required to carry a respirator. You may be required to carry a chemically reactive warning device. You may be orientated and you may be required to pass a test to gain access. If you have any DWIs or felony convictions in your background you may be denied access. AND THAT'S AT A NON-UNION PLANT.
It was just pointing out some of the dumb, petty things you have to go through because of the fact that they are a union shop.
And if you think about it, having a separate gate for union employees to enter through because they will not cross a picket line is a bit specious on the part of the workers at that plant.
If you really claim to have solidarity with other unions because of this not crossing picket lines thing, how does going through another gate to avoid the "technical" crossing of a picket line demonstrate such solidarity?
So in short. If in all those instances when I ask for assistance or need something it would have been done now. Not later. Not after a 15 minuet break that I had to wait five minutes for but now. I have had some dealing with the Union in Hollywood, I have to say that was a different experience, a good one. But on low level menial tasks the union has been more of a hindrance then help. And when all is said and done, two people have been paid for the one persons job. I agree. UAW has been more of hurt to the auto industry then help. I feel if you need someone to stand up for you to do your job, then both sides of that job need to be evaluated. The shitty management, the lazy worker.
Example. Our materials were shipped to the plant in Indianapolis. The drums were stored outside in dry storage. When we needed some of our materials brought over to the work site, I went to find a forklift operator. I found one - a black fellow sitting on a chair out in the sun (doing nothing I might add). I asked him to bring a couple of drums over to the job site (we were ready for them, and needed them). He launched into a meaningless whine about how he wasn't paid enough money at his "job" and wasn't interested in moving the drums. I stood there for a while and listened, not real sure what to do. One thing I know, I was getting angry, real angry (not the funny kind, but the deep down serious no-nonsense kind). Funny thing about olger, his voice gets quieter when he reaches that point (seldom reach it). I said softly "Suit yourself pardner, I don't have time for lazy people" and turned on my heel and headed over to my truck. Really irritated...
Before I reached the truck, He hollered over to me "alright, I'll move the ^%$# drums."
Fine. I told him where to put them. And he did.
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First, the fella's I dealt with at the Ford plant in Norfolk totally understood why my company wasn't a union company in Virginia. During a pre construction meeting the first question they asked me was, "What do you drive?" I told them we had Dodge trucks and they were o.k. with that. A guy told me as long as it's American made you can drive into the plant. I totally respected that. Had no problems and we were there about 6 months.
However, we did a job at Beth Steel's shipyard in Baltimore and it was different story. They sabotaged all sorts of shit...cut every air line I had and threw them off the dry dock and into the water. Never, ever could get promised crane service and had to rent a crane to stage and de-stage our materials and equipment. Caught guys dicking with our welding equipment and compressors to the point I had to assign tenders to monitor them constantly. It was an amazing experience to say the least. And I would have to say the guys at that yard were some of the laziest pieces of shit I've ever been around. Just about got in a fight or had to break guys up everyday for the 2 months we were there...
Every union is different I suppose.
So if you didn't hit your head, you just must be delusional
Obama, who had resisted measures to tie money for the war to a deadline for withdrawal, said Sunday he would no longer support funding measures in the Senate that do not include deadlines.
"We are going to bring an end to this war and I will fight hard in the United States Senate to make sure we don't pass any funding bill that does not have a deadline," Obama told the crowd.
Hooray!
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