Our Sport Is Dangerous, No Shit!

MXGooner
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3/23/2015 1:57pm
Open C at a regional is some serious shit
Redrcr34 wrote:
Heh
Lol..seriously. I would be scared as &"@: to line up at a regional in open C. I agree with grieby, and beginning to question the risk vs reward ratio this sport offers.
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A. DLeary wrote:
The pussification of America and the idea that other people should make sure you're safe is what will ruin this sport. Individuwl responsibility is all but...
The pussification of America and the idea that other people should make sure you're safe is what will ruin this sport. Individuwl responsibility is all but gone in this country and this board proves that. Because the golden child of SX/MX got hurt AGAIN, all of a sudden we should change it to flat track.

Sadly, this board either does not have enough people that actually ride/race or the "bubble wrap your children so they don't get hurt" generation is here and this country and sport is screwed.

I guess we'll wait and see.
hvaughn88 wrote:
you realize this started being discussed when the unfortunate incidents took place at the amateur race last week, right? We get it, you have a bone...
you realize this started being discussed when the unfortunate incidents took place at the amateur race last week, right? We get it, you have a bone to pick regarding Trey, but this isn't about that. Just out of curiosity, do your kids race?
Yes they do.
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3/23/2015 1:59pm
A. DLeary wrote:
The pussification of America and the idea that other people should make sure you're safe is what will ruin this sport. Individuwl responsibility is all but...
The pussification of America and the idea that other people should make sure you're safe is what will ruin this sport. Individuwl responsibility is all but gone in this country and this board proves that. Because the golden child of SX/MX got hurt AGAIN, all of a sudden we should change it to flat track.

Sadly, this board either does not have enough people that actually ride/race or the "bubble wrap your children so they don't get hurt" generation is here and this country and sport is screwed.

I guess we'll wait and see.
hvaughn88 wrote:
you realize this started being discussed when the unfortunate incidents took place at the amateur race last week, right? We get it, you have a bone...
you realize this started being discussed when the unfortunate incidents took place at the amateur race last week, right? We get it, you have a bone to pick regarding Trey, but this isn't about that. Just out of curiosity, do your kids race?
A. DLeary wrote:
Yes they do.
Are there any areas in the sport that you think might could be improved upon that would make it safer for them?
3/23/2015 2:00pm
What if Vital MX went to live web cam chat? Bahaha... could you imagine?

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3/23/2015 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2015 2:20pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
Are there any areas in the sport that you think might could be improved upon that would make it safer for them?
I find most of the big races we go to such as the Amature National at Freestone being prepped the best it ever has been from YEARS of experience and I see them continuing to learn and get better every year.

I see the smaller tracks going through some growing pains, but also learning at every race, doing things better then they ever have and I assume they will continue to improve year to year. If a track does not seem to "get it", we don't go back. We call it taking responsibility for our selfs and not expecting other people to do so.

Making a track safe, while also making it challenging enough for everyone is a hard combination to solve, but I feel most of the tracks are doing the best they ever have to achieve this and I've been in this sport for a long time.

So to answer your question, no. The sport will continue to get better and safer track designs that are still exciting to race will continue to be ironed out by the REAL MEN in the "foxholes", grinding out day to day operations at the track. Not by a bunch of "theoretical" ideas by a bunch of Internet warriors and Twitter responses who no longer seem to want to ride if they ever did.
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3/23/2015 2:25pm
What if Vital MX went to live web cam chat? Bahaha... could you imagine?
I've got enough baby lotion bro
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3/23/2015 2:28pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
Are there any areas in the sport that you think might could be improved upon that would make it safer for them?
A. DLeary wrote:
I find most of the big races we go to such as the Amature National at Freestone being prepped the best it ever has been from...
I find most of the big races we go to such as the Amature National at Freestone being prepped the best it ever has been from YEARS of experience and I see them continuing to learn and get better every year.

I see the smaller tracks going through some growing pains, but also learning at every race, doing things better then they ever have and I assume they will continue to improve year to year. If a track does not seem to "get it", we don't go back. We call it taking responsibility for our selfs and not expecting other people to do so.

Making a track safe, while also making it challenging enough for everyone is a hard combination to solve, but I feel most of the tracks are doing the best they ever have to achieve this and I've been in this sport for a long time.

So to answer your question, no. The sport will continue to get better and safer track designs that are still exciting to race will continue to be ironed out by the REAL MEN in the "foxholes", grinding out day to day operations at the track. Not by a bunch of "theoretical" ideas by a bunch of Internet warriors and Twitter responses who no longer seem to want to ride if they ever did.
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs to do it itself before someone else steps in and does it for them. I can assure you, since our country is undergoing a "pussification" it's not out of the realm of possibilities for amateur moto to get regulated. And it won't be regulated by the REAL MEN in the foxholes. It wil lbe done by the "theoretical ideas by a bunch of internet warriors."
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3/23/2015 2:29pm
Bro, I should bring a gopro with me in the gym, so you can witness all the massive gainz.
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Camp332 wrote:
Bro, I should bring a gopro with me in the gym, so you can witness all the massive gainz.
You don't even lift bro!
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3/23/2015 2:36pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs...
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs to do it itself before someone else steps in and does it for them. I can assure you, since our country is undergoing a "pussification" it's not out of the realm of possibilities for amateur moto to get regulated. And it won't be regulated by the REAL MEN in the foxholes. It wil lbe done by the "theoretical ideas by a bunch of internet warriors."
The best way to make a track safe while also making it challenging enough to please everyone takes time to figure out. Track safety is not like a water faucet that you can simply turn off and fix the problem.

I've read most of the comments here over the last few days for making things safer, and I've yet to see a single idea that would work or make things safer. I only hear a bunch of people saying things should be safer, while offering NOTHING that would work. Remember it has to be safe, but also stay exciting enough that racers want to continue to race.
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3/23/2015 3:49pm
Riding as a pro or amateur are 2 different things!

If you get screwed as a Pro so what that's the way it is they picked that way.
But as an amateur you do it for fun!

And tell me 1 reason why I should get killed, parallelized or what ever if it could have been prevented.

I don't bubble wrap my Son but my experience tells me whats dangerous and which risk we might can go.
A 8 Year old is not ready yet to determine whats dangerous or not.

A little story about when i was young:
When I was 10 i was playing on a building under construction after the workers where gone for that day.
Cool Playground but definitely not safe. I learned the lesson the hard way.
While playing i fell off the 3rd floor and only by luck i was not injured.

2 feet to my left where metal parts upright and i could have been impaled.

Motocross is dangerous and it always will be, but we can make it safer at least for our Kids.
If a 18, 20 or what ever age it might wants to kill themselves by jumping crazy triples 120' ok that's there decision.
But a 8 Year believes it is safe and he will jump like the older once.

Parents do have the responsibility for there child and as long as i can i will decide where my Son rides and where we don't ride.


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hvaughn88 wrote:
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs...
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs to do it itself before someone else steps in and does it for them. I can assure you, since our country is undergoing a "pussification" it's not out of the realm of possibilities for amateur moto to get regulated. And it won't be regulated by the REAL MEN in the foxholes. It wil lbe done by the "theoretical ideas by a bunch of internet warriors."
A. DLeary wrote:
The best way to make a track safe while also making it challenging enough to please everyone takes time to figure out. Track safety is not...
The best way to make a track safe while also making it challenging enough to please everyone takes time to figure out. Track safety is not like a water faucet that you can simply turn off and fix the problem.

I've read most of the comments here over the last few days for making things safer, and I've yet to see a single idea that would work or make things safer. I only hear a bunch of people saying things should be safer, while offering NOTHING that would work. Remember it has to be safe, but also stay exciting enough that racers want to continue to race.
I raced 15 years and doubles and triples where not allowed by rule!
We didn't had any serious injuries in 15 years.

We had a lot of fun and we had almost 400 riders every race weekend!

Even now they stick on those rules and riders have fun!
If it is only fun flying over a triple 120' and that's it ok not my favorite.

If i see most tracks there are jumps after jumps after jumps!
Doesn't make any sense to me, if i want to ride an SX track ok will find one.
But nowadays its hard to find good MX tracks.

I watched some weekends ago a track for 1-2 hours and i saw 3 injuries and 10-12 crashes.
On a Sunday nor Race just practicing and all had the same root cause.
Jumps that looks so easy (doubles and triples) most common reason the rider jumped to short hit right into the wall.

Why not filling up those gaps between triples and doubles and all injuries could have been prevented.
The jump itself could stay like it is but why the huge gaps between the 2 or 3 ramps.

With those jumps there is no maybe is just yes or no.

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3/23/2015 4:00pm
KMC440 wrote:
My best safety gear is my right wrist. Tells me without fail I'm exceeding my ability.
Mine too, I relied on mine for years to keep from getting anyone pregnant. Have you ever tried sticking one of your fingers up your butt and wiggling it right before you're about to "exceed your ability"?
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3/23/2015 4:26pm
KMC440 wrote:
My best safety gear is my right wrist. Tells me without fail I'm exceeding my ability.
Torco1 wrote:
Mine too, I relied on mine for years to keep from getting anyone pregnant. Have you ever tried sticking one of your fingers up your butt...
Mine too, I relied on mine for years to keep from getting anyone pregnant. Have you ever tried sticking one of your fingers up your butt and wiggling it right before you're about to "exceed your ability"?
WTF? Woohoo Laughing
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3/23/2015 5:03pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs...
I think you might would be shocked at how much we agree about taking responsibility upon yourselves. This is exactly why I think the sport needs to do it itself before someone else steps in and does it for them. I can assure you, since our country is undergoing a "pussification" it's not out of the realm of possibilities for amateur moto to get regulated. And it won't be regulated by the REAL MEN in the foxholes. It wil lbe done by the "theoretical ideas by a bunch of internet warriors."
A. DLeary wrote:
The best way to make a track safe while also making it challenging enough to please everyone takes time to figure out. Track safety is not...
The best way to make a track safe while also making it challenging enough to please everyone takes time to figure out. Track safety is not like a water faucet that you can simply turn off and fix the problem.

I've read most of the comments here over the last few days for making things safer, and I've yet to see a single idea that would work or make things safer. I only hear a bunch of people saying things should be safer, while offering NOTHING that would work. Remember it has to be safe, but also stay exciting enough that racers want to continue to race.
PEPE001 wrote:
I raced 15 years and doubles and triples where not allowed by rule! We didn't had any serious injuries in 15 years. We had a lot...
I raced 15 years and doubles and triples where not allowed by rule!
We didn't had any serious injuries in 15 years.

We had a lot of fun and we had almost 400 riders every race weekend!

Even now they stick on those rules and riders have fun!
If it is only fun flying over a triple 120' and that's it ok not my favorite.

If i see most tracks there are jumps after jumps after jumps!
Doesn't make any sense to me, if i want to ride an SX track ok will find one.
But nowadays its hard to find good MX tracks.

I watched some weekends ago a track for 1-2 hours and i saw 3 injuries and 10-12 crashes.
On a Sunday nor Race just practicing and all had the same root cause.
Jumps that looks so easy (doubles and triples) most common reason the rider jumped to short hit right into the wall.

Why not filling up those gaps between triples and doubles and all injuries could have been prevented.
The jump itself could stay like it is but why the huge gaps between the 2 or 3 ramps.

With those jumps there is no maybe is just yes or no.

If we got rid if everything that people get hurt on, we wouldn't have a sport left.
I've seen people get badly injured on.
Starts
Straights that are smooth
Straights that are bumpy
Corners
Sweepers
Off cambered turns
Singles
Doubles
Triples
Tabletops
Step ups
Step downs
Whoops
Rollers
And everything in between.
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Camp332 wrote:
Bro, I should bring a gopro with me in the gym, so you can witness all the massive gainz.
SquidBro wrote:
You don't even lift bro!
Do you do crossfit? Yes?

Do you even lift bro
PEPE001
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3/23/2015 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2015 6:05pm
Camp332 wrote:
Bro, I should bring a gopro with me in the gym, so you can witness all the massive gainz.
SquidBro wrote:
You don't even lift bro!
Camp332 wrote:
Do you do crossfit? Yes?

Do you even lift bro
Sorry wrong Quote!

Some will learn it and some don't!

Luckily it is not my body.
Just something to think about this discussion is not new!

I was involved in discussion how to make tracks safe or not.
I saw a 18 year old ripping of his foot right below the ankle due to a metal pole at the end of a straight.
Or why do you need to place freaking huge tractor wheels at the end of a start straight?

Those items needs to be worked on.
If a straight get beet up all the times and riders getting to fast build a small S and the speed gets down.

Who needs massive step-up and step-down who the hell needs massive whoops.
Everything a little smaller will help to get the risk down.
But I forgot it is not spectacular anymore.

There is always something in between.

Because I know what happen even with the smallest mistake.

One of my buddies got paralyzed due to those stupid triples he was 3 feet short.
Now he is in a wheelchair do you think its worth having spectacular tracks?

You could jump your doubles and triples and have fun with it I don't!
Why#? Because I have to go to work tomorrow.

And guess what I still have fun every time I go out riding!
I ride only tracks no woods.
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3/23/2015 6:11pm
Hit the bottle a bit early?
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3/23/2015 6:14pm
Bressler11 wrote:
If you have a problem with the way our sport is being run, go play soccer... I just qualified for the North East Loretta Lynn Regional...
If you have a problem with the way our sport is being run, go play soccer... I just qualified for the North East Loretta Lynn Regional today in open C and I am trying to keep my head straight. All I see is death this crash that. I have had two of my close friends pass away from the sport as well. And I got out of the sport for awhile but I am back in and feeling good. When I throw a leg over a bike I know it could be the last time. I have excepted that.

These Below are my opinions and mine alone everyone is different don't take it to heart

1 I Buy good helmets (Arai) everything else is junk
2. I wear Good Boots (fox instinct)
3. I don't wear a neck brace they cause upper back injuries
4.I don't wear Knee braces they cause knee injuries

RIP Wyatt Bardo, And Buckshot!
PalerBlue wrote:
Are you a victim of multiple concussions already? or just a comedian? I got a few laughs from your post either way. Good luck. :laugh: :laugh...
Are you a victim of multiple concussions already? or just a comedian?

I got a few laughs from your post either way.

Good luck. Laughing Laughing Laughing
Both Actually haha glad you got my humor
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A. DLeary wrote:
Hit the bottle a bit early?
You made my day!
The Rock
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3/24/2015 1:03am
A. DLeary wrote:
If we got rid if everything that people get hurt on, we wouldn't have a sport left. I've seen people get badly injured on. Starts Straights...
If we got rid if everything that people get hurt on, we wouldn't have a sport left.
I've seen people get badly injured on.
Starts
Straights that are smooth
Straights that are bumpy
Corners
Sweepers
Off cambered turns
Singles
Doubles
Triples
Tabletops
Step ups
Step downs
Whoops
Rollers
And everything in between.
Way to go overboard slim. People like you equate people wanting to make it safer into wanting to make it safe. This is simply not the case and NO ONE thinks we can make MX safe.

3/24/2015 4:09am
Bressler11 wrote:
If you have a problem with the way our sport is being run, go play soccer... I just qualified for the North East Loretta Lynn Regional...
If you have a problem with the way our sport is being run, go play soccer... I just qualified for the North East Loretta Lynn Regional today in open C and I am trying to keep my head straight. All I see is death this crash that. I have had two of my close friends pass away from the sport as well. And I got out of the sport for awhile but I am back in and feeling good. When I throw a leg over a bike I know it could be the last time. I have excepted that.

These Below are my opinions and mine alone everyone is different don't take it to heart

1 I Buy good helmets (Arai) everything else is junk
2. I wear Good Boots (fox instinct)
3. I don't wear a neck brace they cause upper back injuries
4.I don't wear Knee braces they cause knee injuries

RIP Wyatt Bardo, And Buckshot!
You really should take a few deep breathes and take a look at life. Motocross isn't the only thing in life. And it's not WORTH YOUR...
You really should take a few deep breathes and take a look at life.

Motocross isn't the only thing in life. And it's not WORTH YOUR LIFE.


Go sit down and discuss what the meaning of life is with your best friend. Then discuss what the meaning is with your mother. Then discuss it with your father. Then discuss it with your grandfather (if you're lucky enough to).

Now take into consideration that none of them would go as far to say that throwing a leg over a motorcycle is WORTH YOUR LIFE and realize nobody is upset about how the sport is run, they are upset about people losing their lives and life altering injuries like paralysis. So it is natural to question conflict to make change. Conflict being the deaths......changes being anything to make the sport safer.

And, I had no idea regionals started already. And Bressler in the results section on Mx sports comes up with '0' results. Althought, that might change in the next three days. Are you just trolling?
Zracer wrote:
I disagree Georgie. Maybe MX is worth this guys life. Let Darwin have his day.
BAHAHAHA. God I just had that conversation at work. "We aren't letting darwin have his way with people anymore--we're saving everyone and everything."

That's awesome Zracer.

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