USA vs Euro Motocross (theories)

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Edited Date/Time 2/28/2015 11:07am
Sitting here watching the qualifying highlights from Qatar I was thinking about some things. This is not to write RV off because he will win some races and be in the title hunt I think. But I think the European riders and their bike setups are better overall on wider ranges of conditions.
As Americans we try to make all of our Motocross tracks the same. Adding sand to hard tracks, grooming sand tracks, and generally trying to recreate the most enjoyable riding conditions for riders, and spectators. You never hear of US riders saying they tested on hard pack to find a setup, then in deep sand, etc. They can basically find something that works on one type of track and change a couple clickers. Our riders and their bikes aren't taught to adapt, with their riding or bike setup.

On the contrary, European tracks seem to have a very wide range of terrain and conditions that would require different technique, a rider that can identify bike characteristics and relay that to mechanics, and testing in multiple conditions. You see them riding shitty hard pack tracks, sand, mud, loam. So I would imagine they set up the bikes to be more adapted to certain conditions, or even run completely different setups based on testing in a variety of conditions

Our guys may have the fastest raw speed on 1 type of track that we replicate over and over, but overall European motocross riders may be better, because they can ride equally as good on different terrain.
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2/28/2015 7:19am
Your over analyzing it. It just makes you look like your searching for excuses. If RV gets beat, he gets beat, simple as that. Just take it like a man as a fan. There were a lot of dudes on here setting RV up for failure with the smack talk. Hats off to the GP guys, they are pretty damn good. I have no problem admitting that.
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2/28/2015 7:27am
I think you have a guy who hasn't raced outdoors since 2013.I don't think it's possible for him to win in a series he has never ridden in this early in the season.
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2/28/2015 7:28am
machine wrote:
Your over analyzing it. It just makes you look like your searching for excuses. If RV gets beat, he gets beat, simple as that. Just take...
Your over analyzing it. It just makes you look like your searching for excuses. If RV gets beat, he gets beat, simple as that. Just take it like a man as a fan. There were a lot of dudes on here setting RV up for failure with the smack talk. Hats off to the GP guys, they are pretty damn good. I have no problem admitting that.
That would imply that I gave a shit if RV wins, which I don't. Analyzing why the Euros were better was the point to making the post.
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2/28/2015 8:32am
The track design is different, I wanna say choppier, not as deeply tilled. Their setups seem to be pretty plush at the top of the stroke. Cairoli looked good. Smooth, like Everts.

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2/28/2015 8:36am
SF45 wrote:
The track design is different, I wanna say choppier, not as deeply tilled. Their setups seem to be pretty plush at the top of the stroke...
The track design is different, I wanna say choppier, not as deeply tilled. Their setups seem to be pretty plush at the top of the stroke. Cairoli looked good. Smooth, like Everts.
Ya thats how it looks to me. I would think they run completely different valving and such at the deep sand tracks. Cairoli has such a cool smooth style. I could watch him float around the tracks all day.
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2/28/2015 9:02am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2015 9:04am
I think bike setup in Europe is an issue for the American riders...but RV will eventually figure it out. Even on our tracks little setup changes make a big difference. This would explain why the Us riders beat the Euros in america but the euro's beat us over there. Having ridden a track many times, teams have an advantage on setup....that's just a fact.
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2/28/2015 10:21am
This thread is stupid. Dudes race in Europe, dudes race in America. Dudes who are fast in Europe are fast when they race against Americans and Dudes who are fast in America are fast when they race against Europeans (Oceanic folks as well). Individuals race MX not continents.
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2/28/2015 10:51am
Oh boy! All these excuses after just one race? Pathetic!
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2/28/2015 11:02am
Apparently reading comprehension isn't alive and well around these parts. Shocker.
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2/28/2015 11:07am
machine wrote:
Your over analyzing it. It just makes you look like your searching for excuses. If RV gets beat, he gets beat, simple as that. Just take...
Your over analyzing it. It just makes you look like your searching for excuses. If RV gets beat, he gets beat, simple as that. Just take it like a man as a fan. There were a lot of dudes on here setting RV up for failure with the smack talk. Hats off to the GP guys, they are pretty damn good. I have no problem admitting that.
Well Said
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SlowMoFo wrote:
Oh boy! All these excuses after just one race? Pathetic!
Agree 110%

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