Red Flag Procedure was not followed tonight

enketchum
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Edited Date/Time 2/2/2015 8:01am
The red flag was flown on the sixth lap. The restart rules were not followed for a race that was red flagged between 3 laps and 90%. Are they making up the rules as they go?

AMA Supercross 2015 Rulebook:
Section 4
Race Rules and Procedures
4.21 Restarts
b.The race is stopped with 3 laps completed by the leader and less than 90% of the total distance completed by the race
leader, rounded down to the nearest whole number of laps /
33 whether it be a Heat, Semi, Last Chance Qualifier or Main Event)
1.A red flag will be displayed to the riders.
2.The riders will return to the starting area directly in front of their original starting gate and a re-start will take place as soon as possible.
a.A minimum of 10 minutes from the time that the red flag is displayed will be given to make repairs or adjustments.
b.The race may be re-started before the minimum 10 minute waiting time only if all riders indicate to the Race Director that they are ready to start.
c.Repairs or adjustments may only be made in the starting area.
3.The lap in which the red flag was thrown will not be considered a complete lap.
4.The starting order will be determined by each rider’s race position at the end of the lap preceding the last lap completed by the leader. I.E. if the leader has completed the third lap and is working the fourth lap, the starting order would be set with the order from the completion of the second lap.
5.Race position is defined as the riders scoring position, not position on the track.
6.Riders will be restarted from a staggered standing start in the starting area.
a.Riders will be lined up in a staggered formation beginning on the starting straight at a start line located by the first turn, starting with the rider that was in the first position and continuing back towards the starting area.
b.Riders not ready to take their position in line will be placed last.
c. Once all riders are in position, a yellow flag will be displayed to indicate that the start will be within 30 seconds.Once the yellow flag has been removed, the starter will then display a green flag to signal the start.
d.Riders may not overtake the rider in front of them until they pass the designated starting line.
e.Any rider that does overtake the rider in front of them before the starting line will have been deemed to have
jumped the start and will be penalized a minimum of two positions in the final results.
f.Eligible riders who are unable to participate in the re-start due to a stalled motorcycle or continued repairs may join the race from the starting area at anytime during the race.
g.Riders who were no longer actively participating in race at the time when the red flag was displayed are not authorized to take part in the restart.

http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/2015/AMA_Supercross_Rulebook14_W…

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2/1/2015 12:34am
Is there a bit in the rule book about gate malfunctions cause that is what Gallagher said...
enketchum
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2/1/2015 12:35am
Crush wrote:
Is there a bit in the rule book about gate malfunctions cause that is what Gallagher said...
What did Gallagher say?
2/1/2015 12:37am
Crush wrote:
Is there a bit in the rule book about gate malfunctions cause that is what Gallagher said...
enketchum wrote:
What did Gallagher say?
A gate malfunction results in a red flag.
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2/1/2015 12:39am
Crush wrote:
Is there a bit in the rule book about gate malfunctions cause that is what Gallagher said...
enketchum wrote:
What did Gallagher say?
lostboy819 wrote:
A gate malfunction results in a red flag.
A red flag that came out on Lap 6, resulting in a single file restart. If it's not in the rulebook about gate malfunctions, you can't just make up a new rule. wtf is that

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2/1/2015 12:42am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2015 12:44am
Crush wrote:
Is there a bit in the rule book about gate malfunctions cause that is what Gallagher said...
enketchum wrote:
What did Gallagher say?
They probably waited a few extra laps to throw the red flag because they watched replays and they didn't want Nerd turd to be calling them out again. At least Gallagher had the balls this time to go on camera himself and not have one of his minions do it.
2/1/2015 12:45am
enketchum wrote:
What did Gallagher say?
lostboy819 wrote:
A gate malfunction results in a red flag.
enketchum wrote:
A red flag that came out on Lap 6, resulting in a single file restart. If it's not in the rulebook about gate malfunctions, you can't...
A red flag that came out on Lap 6, resulting in a single file restart. If it's not in the rulebook about gate malfunctions, you can't just make up a new rule. wtf is that
You cant have a single file restart because the guy whos gate malfunctioned was at the back of the pack because of the malfunction.
2/1/2015 12:47am
You asked what Gallagher said and I told you, if you have a problem with it than get a hold of them.
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2/1/2015 12:51am
I guess they will have to add a new rule, I think it was the right decision but they should have thrown the red flag much earlier than they did. Where would they place the rider in the single file restart that was stuck at the gate ?
2/1/2015 12:52am
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions.
d. Riders who are not present at the starting gate for the original
start of a race are barred from any subsequent restarts.
e. Riders who are present at the gate but are unable to start due
to a stalled motorcycle may join the race from the starting area
at anytime during the race.
f. Riders who are unable to join the race by this procedure are
barred from any subsequent restarts.
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2/1/2015 12:54am
It's in there

4.20
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions

Why would they have a restart just to put the guy who's gate malfunctioned at the rear of the pack anyway?
2/1/2015 12:54am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2015 1:02am
ledger wrote:
I guess they will have to add a new rule, I think it was the right decision but they should have thrown the red flag much...
I guess they will have to add a new rule, I think it was the right decision but they should have thrown the red flag much earlier than they did. Where would they place the rider in the single file restart that was stuck at the gate ?
Its in the rule book 4.20
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2/1/2015 12:54am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2015 12:59am
lostboy819 wrote:
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their original starting positions. d. Riders...
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions.
d. Riders who are not present at the starting gate for the original
start of a race are barred from any subsequent restarts.
e. Riders who are present at the gate but are unable to start due
to a stalled motorcycle may join the race from the starting area
at anytime during the race.
f. Riders who are unable to join the race by this procedure are
barred from any subsequent restarts.
My sunglasses must have been too dark
2/1/2015 12:56am
funktree wrote:
It's in there 4.20 c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their original...
It's in there

4.20
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions

Why would they have a restart just to put the guy who's gate malfunctioned at the rear of the pack anyway?
Because guys like enketchum have more than likely never lined up behind a gate before or raced.Blush
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2/1/2015 12:57am
I remember when somebody jumped over the gate before it dropped in Vegas a few years ago and grabbed a fat holey a few seconds before everyone else was even inside the stadium. They immediately red flagged the race and riders returned to the gate.
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2/1/2015 12:58am
funktree wrote:
It's in there 4.20 c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their original...
It's in there

4.20
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions

Why would they have a restart just to put the guy who's gate malfunctioned at the rear of the pack anyway?
lostboy819 wrote:
Because guys like enketchum have more than likely never lined up behind a gate before or raced.Blush
I mostly raced GPs where we started in lines of about 50 riders each. You put your left hand on your helmet until the flag was dropped. I have raced
2/1/2015 12:58am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2015 12:59am
lostboy819 wrote:
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their original starting positions. d. Riders...
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions.
d. Riders who are not present at the starting gate for the original
start of a race are barred from any subsequent restarts.
e. Riders who are present at the gate but are unable to start due
to a stalled motorcycle may join the race from the starting area
at anytime during the race.
f. Riders who are unable to join the race by this procedure are
barred from any subsequent restarts.
enketchum wrote:
My sunglasses must have been too dark
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2/1/2015 12:59am
enketchum wrote:
What did Gallagher say?
lostboy819 wrote:
A gate malfunction results in a red flag.
enketchum wrote:
A red flag that came out on Lap 6, resulting in a single file restart. If it's not in the rulebook about gate malfunctions, you can't...
A red flag that came out on Lap 6, resulting in a single file restart. If it's not in the rulebook about gate malfunctions, you can't just make up a new rule. wtf is that
Where do you place Osburne in restart?
2/1/2015 12:59am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2015 1:01am
funktree wrote:
It's in there 4.20 c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their original...
It's in there

4.20
c. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction), a race will be
restarted with the riders returning to their original starting
positions

Why would they have a restart just to put the guy who's gate malfunctioned at the rear of the pack anyway?
lostboy819 wrote:
Because guys like enketchum have more than likely never lined up behind a gate before or raced.Blush
enketchum wrote:
I mostly raced GPs where we started in lines of about 50 riders each. You put your left hand on your helmet until the flag was...
I mostly raced GPs where we started in lines of about 50 riders each. You put your left hand on your helmet until the flag was dropped. I have raced
I think its past you bed time.Wink Tongue
and yes I know I am a asshole.
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2/1/2015 1:00am
ledger wrote:
I guess they will have to add a new rule, I think it was the right decision but they should have thrown the red flag much...
I guess they will have to add a new rule, I think it was the right decision but they should have thrown the red flag much earlier than they did. Where would they place the rider in the single file restart that was stuck at the gate ?
lostboy819 wrote:
Its in the rule book 4.20
I "C" it now. Thank you.
2/1/2015 1:06am
enketchum wrote:
I remember when somebody jumped over the gate before it dropped in Vegas a few years ago and grabbed a fat holey a few seconds before...
I remember when somebody jumped over the gate before it dropped in Vegas a few years ago and grabbed a fat holey a few seconds before everyone else was even inside the stadium. They immediately red flagged the race and riders returned to the gate.
it was the same with the dual gates that kept breaking as well,

although its much harder to see when one gate does not drop, becasue you would assume that the rider moved first and caught the gate, I think the replay might have been a bit quicker, so the red flag came out earlier, but the right decision got made in the end,
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2/1/2015 1:31am
Hey the FIMs running the show so he gets a pass on this one.
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2/1/2015 1:44am
enketchum wrote:
My sunglasses must have been too dark
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2/1/2015 8:01am
Section 4.20 How ironic.

Almost like, what they were doing while they waited to make THAT FUCKING DECISION. Christ, 6 laps?

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2/2/2015 12:43am
ahh, moved to dumbgeon. I thought I was on to something....
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enketchum wrote:
ahh, moved to dumbgeon. I thought I was on to something....
Moved to Dumbgeon because the rule is in the rulebook.

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