To: Dave O.

1/19/2015 1:16pm
I just can't believe you pole smokers are still arguing over this. Racing incident. Get over it.
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1/19/2015 1:37pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Take this for example grieby54 and mr slob a knobby. When you are following someone and you know the track narrows down in a right 180...
Take this for example grieby54 and mr slob a knobby. When you are following someone and you know the track narrows down in a right 180 to a close left 180. You rail the outside berm only to find the rider in front blocks the inside by being in FRONT of you. You A. Slow down and fall back in line, or B. You hope for the best and go for it. I wouldn't want to be on the track with your dumbass just going for it with NFG. Mitch Payton, and even Trey himself said he was wrong. Congrats ladies, you win the full retarded award. The rider who is following had the responsibility to not jump on someone. If they have half a bike length even, then you do not go for broke. Mr knobbles really knows his shit though. I can tell by his commentsDry
Grieby54 wrote:
Eloquently put and supremely well said. The "dumbass" and "retard" and "slob a knobby" etc... comments really show that you're in command of your argument and...
Eloquently put and supremely well said. The "dumbass" and "retard" and "slob a knobby" etc... comments really show that you're in command of your argument and position.

I'm not saying Trey didn't make a mistake. I'm saying Reed did make a mistake. If someone is on your left throughout a turn that leads to a jump, it's a reasonable assumption to make that he will still be on your left when you jump. Being as that's the case, why in the world would you jump to the left? Chad was never fully clear of Trey and should not have jumped into Trey's line. Trey should have probably checked up to be safe, but when you're out there riding at that pace, you're on the razors edge and have to try to thread the needle.

I'm sorry that this event and the subsequent bench racing has caused you such personal angst.
Dycki1 also schooled me with his quote below in the "Why Trey Canard will never be a SX Champion thread"
"Clearly with the quality in "name calling" we know your intelligence level."."
Crap, I guess I must have schooled him? my bad LOL
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1/19/2015 1:55pm
I dont think Chad should have let Trey by, by any means, but I do think he owns some responsibility in this case, as far as the crash is concerned. Then swinging super wide to take Trey out was a pretty poor choice as well. All being said, the black flag was a little ridiculous. I can't say I lost reapspect for Reed, but I personally wasn't a fan of how he handled the incident. I also like that Trey called him a crybaby haha
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1/19/2015 2:35pm
I don't know why people are continuing to argue about this. Trey made a dumb racing mistake. It happens to everyone. Chad made a dumb mistake based off of emotions. I'm sure they would both admit being wrong and move on with their lives. It's that simple and nothing else can be said nor argued.

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1/19/2015 2:52pm
agn5009 wrote:
I don't know why people are continuing to argue about this. Trey made a dumb racing mistake. It happens to everyone. Chad made a dumb mistake...
I don't know why people are continuing to argue about this. Trey made a dumb racing mistake. It happens to everyone. Chad made a dumb mistake based off of emotions. I'm sure they would both admit being wrong and move on with their lives. It's that simple and nothing else can be said nor argued.
Hey! Stop that! You're not allowed to make sensible comments around these parts!
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1/19/2015 3:51pm
Don't get me wrong here guys. Reed has a valid complaint about the black flag. He knew what he was doing though. They should have penalized him after the race. My comment was aimed at the fact that Ozzy didn't want to own up to his guy doing something wrong. It was pretty obvious Trey had no malicious intent and Chad clearly did. Ozzy didn't seem to recognize that. You play with fire and you get burned sometimes. I do have to agree with Trey though, about Reed being a cry baby. I don't seem to remember Trey whining after getting landed on and breaking his back a few years back. Trey seems to have been raised to take a little higher road I guess.

I'll STFU now.
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1/19/2015 3:59pm
IE22 wrote:
Don't get me wrong here guys. Reed has a valid complaint about the black flag. He knew what he was doing though. They should have penalized...
Don't get me wrong here guys. Reed has a valid complaint about the black flag. He knew what he was doing though. They should have penalized him after the race. My comment was aimed at the fact that Ozzy didn't want to own up to his guy doing something wrong. It was pretty obvious Trey had no malicious intent and Chad clearly did. Ozzy didn't seem to recognize that. You play with fire and you get burned sometimes. I do have to agree with Trey though, about Reed being a cry baby. I don't seem to remember Trey whining after getting landed on and breaking his back a few years back. Trey seems to have been raised to take a little higher road I guess.

I'll STFU now.
So Trey comes up to Chad after landing on him, and says "what were you thinking, why would you do that?"

But Chad is the cry baby.

How many times can this process be reframed either way. The answer is about as many as you like.
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1/19/2015 4:26pm
zehn wrote:
That wasn't a "love tap", Reed intentionally drove him straight off the track. It would have ended up the same way had Canard's hand been on...
That wasn't a "love tap", Reed intentionally drove him straight off the track. It would have ended up the same way had Canard's hand been on the bars.
lawl, I mean really lawl.
zehn wrote:
Then why did they black flag him?
Ricky Carmichael
"I wouldn't even consider that as a hit, more like a nudge.."
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1/19/2015 4:28pm
IE22 wrote:
Long time lurker here. After seeing your interview over at TWMX, it forced my to make this post. Clearly, and maybe Chad too, you're kidding yourself...
Long time lurker here. After seeing your interview over at TWMX, it forced my to make this post.

Clearly, and maybe Chad too, you're kidding yourself if you think what Chad did was any different than the act of others. The facts are:

1. Canard was running faster and it was only a matter of time before he got by. Chad knew it and should have sensed Trey was close.

2. Chad took the jump outside - inside and jumped diagonally. Again, he knew Trey was close and should have known that might be a bad idea.

3. Trey made a bad move and tried to jump past him in hopes of squaring him up in that next turn. Didn't quite work out.

4. Most importantly here. Trey DID NOT have the intention of nailing Chad. It was a bad race decision.

5. Chad (consciously) made the decision to take out Trey....ON PURPOSE....as payback.

If you, as a leader of a factory supported team do not understand the difference and choose to see it in some other distorted reality, then you clearly do not understand the difference between right and wrong. Whining about other people not getting in trouble is never going to make one look good. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just like the NBA. Retaliation is always the one to get caught.

The correct response would have been..."Trey made a bonehead pass attempt and it didn't work out and costed both he and Chad. Chad let his temper unfortunately get the best of him and it costed him some championship points. Chad will make a note of it and move on."
this and Trey MANNED up and said he made a mistake, was it intentional NO, was Reed's in intentional YES!! This is the same crap listening to Motoconcepts try and explain away another Alessi or Friesse move.
1/19/2015 4:46pm
this and Trey MANNED up and said he made a mistake, was it intentional NO, was Reed's in intentional YES!! This is the same crap listening...
this and Trey MANNED up and said he made a mistake, was it intentional NO, was Reed's in intentional YES!! This is the same crap listening to Motoconcepts try and explain away another Alessi or Friesse move.
The black flag is my only problem with it. So what if it was intentional. Lots of intentional stuff goes on in all levels of racing. Guys who continually do that and make enemies out on the track make racing much harder on themselves. Someone coming up to pass someone like Friese vs. someone who makes good clean passes.....most people will stuff Friese harder because of his history.
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1/19/2015 4:57pm
Is there any room in the argument for thinking both were at fault and this really it isn't that big of a deal. There was a crash, there was retaliation and there was a penalty. Who cares.
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1/19/2015 5:04pm
7th lap,reed is feeling out the pace,canard is spunky and wants to attack.
both probably at 170 heart rates.
reed realizes ,this race can be the turning stone ,since its not going as planned at prior rounds.
canard realizes ,get to leaders asap!
the incident happens....
reed....FUCK!
canard.....OH,NOO!
up and running they go.
canard,lets make the best of this...
reed,FUCK!,SON OF BITCH! I DONT NEED THIS!
reed see's canard..
FEEL MY PAIN!
*I don't think reed thought that canard was going for a soil sample though.
with that * said,if canard stayed upright,would reed still be BLACK FLAGGED?
I say no.
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1/19/2015 7:44pm
zippy895 wrote:
7th lap,reed is feeling out the pace,canard is spunky and wants to attack. both probably at 170 heart rates. reed realizes ,this race can be the...
7th lap,reed is feeling out the pace,canard is spunky and wants to attack.
both probably at 170 heart rates.
reed realizes ,this race can be the turning stone ,since its not going as planned at prior rounds.
canard realizes ,get to leaders asap!
the incident happens....
reed....FUCK!
canard.....OH,NOO!
up and running they go.
canard,lets make the best of this...
reed,FUCK!,SON OF BITCH! I DONT NEED THIS!
reed see's canard..
FEEL MY PAIN!
*I don't think reed thought that canard was going for a soil sample though.
with that * said,if canard stayed upright,would reed still be BLACK FLAGGED?
I say no.
lol That's probably a real accurate play-by-play. I'd have to agree with your last thought as well.
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1/19/2015 8:09pm
To everyone saying that Canard fessed up to a mistake, I'm not any more sure than you are, but he might be referencing calling Chad a cry baby.

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