From Bill Lear (Lear Jet)

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MXMatt wrote:
BTW - The letter is a chain email. I got it from a family member. I have no idea where it came from. I just found...
BTW - The letter is a chain email. I got it from a family member. I have no idea where it came from. I just found the reading to be an interesting perspective. It obviously was worth replying to for some of you. I could not find it on Snopes prior to posting it. Figured it may have some validity. They are Bill's words, not mine.
Figured it may have some validity.

what specifically in that letter did you think might have some validity?

It's an opinion without any supporting information. It's obviously not written by a dead guy. It may be Lear's son.

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10/21/2008 10:36am
MXMatt wrote:
BTW - The letter is a chain email. I got it from a family member. I have no idea where it came from. I just found...
BTW - The letter is a chain email. I got it from a family member. I have no idea where it came from. I just found the reading to be an interesting perspective. It obviously was worth replying to for some of you. I could not find it on Snopes prior to posting it. Figured it may have some validity. They are Bill's words, not mine.
txmxer wrote:
[i]Figured it may have some validity. [/i] what specifically in that letter did you think might have some validity? It's an opinion without any supporting information...
Figured it may have some validity.

what specifically in that letter did you think might have some validity?

It's an opinion without any supporting information. It's obviously not written by a dead guy. It may be Lear's son.

Figured the source may have some validity. I already said that the words are Bill's not mine.
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10/21/2008 10:41am
So, it's valid, why?
Solely because of the writer?
What makes his words any more valid than Warren Buffet's or Oprah Winfrey's?
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it may have been from BL jr...don't know...but, it doesn't say anything other than he doesn't like Obama.


He does try to build a case that he is an expert in assessing who would make a good president. But, why would anyone believe that? Even if he has done all that is claimed, that still doesn't make him the go to guy.

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10/21/2008 4:15pm
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Fact is, neither you nor I or anyone on this board can really know the desires or the intentions of someone's heart. I have met far...
Fact is, neither you nor I or anyone on this board can really know the desires or the intentions of someone's heart. I have met far too many a sociopath in my lifetime to say I know someon is this or that. Hypothetically, If Obama is connected to many who he is alleged to be with then he certainly has a vested interest in down playing them and/or disguising them. If those relationships in fact are what they are, then the populace is being completely snowed right now and it will be far too late once it is learned. No thanks to his sweetheart, the liberal media.
Are you kidding?
MXMatt wrote:
Have ever truely dealt with a sociopath? If you had, then you would understand what I am saying.

No, I haven't surrounded myself with sociopaths, but I would love to see how you diagnosed him. Did you go to school with our own "psychologist"?
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10/21/2008 4:43pm
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978.

Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend Wink


or maybe some backwoods moron just started spamming the sheep...
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10/21/2008 4:44pm
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Have ever truely dealt with a sociopath? If you had, then you would understand what I am saying.

MXMatt,

For the past 2 years, you've been paling around with / posting on the same site as Premix...

Does that make you a sociopath?

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10/21/2008 5:23pm
Bill Lear was the first to put a radio in a car and nobody would ride with him for fear of being arrested , back then how could some drive a car listen radio at the same time...
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prillernut wrote:
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978. Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend ;) or maybe some...
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978.

Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend Wink


or maybe some backwoods moron just started spamming the sheep...
The letter was supposedly written by Bill Lear Jr who is still alive.
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prillernut wrote:
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978. Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend ;) or maybe some...
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978.

Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend Wink


or maybe some backwoods moron just started spamming the sheep...
OMG there are some stupid people on this site..Its Bill Lear, JR He is alive and kickin
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10/21/2008 6:14pm
prillernut wrote:
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978. Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend ;) or maybe some...
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978.

Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend Wink


or maybe some backwoods moron just started spamming the sheep...
Scotty wrote:
OMG there are some stupid people on this site..Its Bill Lear, JR He is alive and kickin
Oh, I'm sorry, I'll step back with the rest of the stupid people and let ye of the non-stupid people continue your discussion. Carry on...
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prillernut wrote:
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978. Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend ;) or maybe some...
Bill Lear indeed passed away in 1978.

Maybe he feels so strongly about this that he channeled through some still-living Republican friend Wink


or maybe some backwoods moron just started spamming the sheep...
Scotty wrote:
OMG there are some stupid people on this site..Its Bill Lear, JR He is alive and kickin
prillernut wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry, I'll step back with the rest of the stupid people and let ye of the non-stupid people continue your discussion. Carry on...
Sorry that was a little harsh.. My apologies
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accepted, Scotty - I shoulda done the math before I posted up. ok, carry on guys Smile
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No, I haven't surrounded myself with sociopaths, but I would love to see how you diagnosed him. Did you go to school with our own "psychologist"?
My guess is that you have probably met a sociopath. You just don't know it.

Where did I diagnose someone a sociopath? Don't put words in my mouth.
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10/21/2008 7:03pm
MXMatt wrote:
Have ever truely dealt with a sociopath? If you had, then you would understand what I am saying.

noob wrote:
MXMatt,

For the past 2 years, you've been paling around with / posting on the same site as Premix...

Does that make you a sociopath?

You post makes not sense.

To my knowledge I have never posted in response to Premix. I wouldn't know if he was a sociopath or not. I wouldn't know if you were a sociopath or not. That is my origional point about sociopaths.

All I do know is that I am not.
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10/21/2008 7:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:55pm
Well, this is the first one I haven't been able to find on snopes or any of the other debunking sites (I haven't checked tonight yet). It actually wouldn't surprise me if this guy did say something like that. His brother is big in the UFO community:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lear+ufo&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&o…
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10/21/2008 7:38pm
Apparently Bill Lear likes to tell stories. Here is a case where his brother John corrected one of them:

http://www.airportjournals.com/Display.cfm?varID=0512021

Letters Dec '05
Airport Journals:

The article by Bill Lear Jr. on the static testing of the Learjet windshield was degrading, insulting and factually incorrect. My brother's fairy tale was well written and humorous, and like most stories about Bill Lear and his jet has a grain of truth. But other than the fact a bird hit the windshield during static testing, everything else in his story is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Would your fish wrap rather print well-written, humorous bullshit by well-known personalities in place of historically accurate, well-researched stories? Are you folks in the habit of printing stories written by other than editorial staff members without the slightest bit of checking or research? Many who watched the test are still alive and coherent. Why you would print a story like that without corroboration from at least one but preferably two witnesses is beyond me.

How Karen Di Piazza could have spent nearly a year interviewing me and not asked my input on the windshield-testing story is inconceivable. The article was an insult to those engineers who told my father, prior to the test, that that particular windshield would not hold up under the test. It's degrading to Swedlow Plastics Company, in particular Dave Swedlow (Plastics Hall of Fame Inductee, 1993), who made the windshield. Furthermore, it's factually incorrect as to the resulting damage.

Without bothering to go over the whole story again with each and every error, let me point out a few things. Remember that I was there in Wichita working part time in public relations and part time bucking rivets on graveyard and later flew for a Learjet dealer in southern California. Bill Jr. was living in Geneva, Switzerland, and about all he knew about what was going on in Wichita was what Dad told him.

The article didn't explain that that particular windshield was from a Lear Jet Model 23, certificated under then FAR Part 23 with Special Regulations (private aircraft). Under pressure from his dealers and customers, Dad decided to re-certificate the Learjet under Part Far 4b (or as it became known, Part 25), the regulation under which airliners were certificated, starting with Learjet serial no. 100 (the 104th airframe, I think). He thought we could use the same windshield as the Model 23 and that was the windshield that was used in the test described in the article. It was a dual pane of thin Lexan. It's true that the chicken went through the windshield, but it did not penetrate the aft pressure bulkhead or blow off the tail cone or hit the hangar door. (First of all it would have taken an Exocet missile to go through the aft pressure bulkhead, and second, the airplane was parked parallel to the hangar doors and about 100 feet west on the ramp just in case the test didn't go as my father planned). But it makes a hell of a good story and sometimes I wonder why I don't just keep my mouth shut because, after all, who cares what the exact truth is anymore, just so long as it's a good story.

The solution to the problem was a much thicker windshield of single pane Lexan from the windshield maker, Swedlow Plastics Company. The chicken splitter described as invented by Lear was a normal, required, previously designed and used item for aircraft certificated under 4b (Part 25), invented about the time of the DC-2, and was not an innovation of Lear's. Lear was famous for hogging credit, which he did frequently and sometimes unfairly. Furthermore, the chicken splitter as described would not help in passing the bird tests because the FAA requirements are that the chicken hit the windshield at a 90 degree angle. Attached is a picture of me flying a Convair 440 in Cambodia in 1972. The Convair 440 was designed and built in the early 1950s and you can plainly see the chicken splitter on the forward center of the windshield.

Our father did a great many things and truly made this world a better place to live for some. I was there and watched the evolution of some of them. I have a habit, which irritates many, of trying to bring truth and perspective into some of his stories.

John Lear
Airplane pilot (ret.)
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10/21/2008 9:42pm
Did I say that??
10/21/2008 11:51pm
No, I haven't surrounded myself with sociopaths, but I would love to see how you diagnosed him. Did you go to school with our own "psychologist"?
MXMatt wrote:
My guess is that you have probably met a sociopath. You just don't know it. Where did I diagnose someone a sociopath? Don't put words in...
My guess is that you have probably met a sociopath. You just don't know it.

Where did I diagnose someone a sociopath? Don't put words in my mouth.
If you didn't diagnose him, you sure are assuming he is one quite a bit.

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