Why do MX bikes play 2nd fiddle to roadbikes?

wow123
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I dont understand why, 'our' bikes in an actual form of motorsport runs behind in technology

to bikes sold for fcking public road use, quite often to dipshits who wouldnt know aluminum from steel

to name but a few

radial mount brakes

titanium rods

magnesium wheels

and look at this

Traction, slide, wheelie, launch and unified braking control in addition to adjustable engine/throttle power settings. Each setting can be manipulated via hardware on the handlebar and is displayed via a colorful TFT display.

These are on 4 cylinder bikes that costs only a few thousand more but come with a few thousand more parts than their single cylinder mx bikes

We are being treated like bozos!

(yeah its off season so plenty of time to start some rant thats bugged you for awhile)


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11/5/2014 3:43am
Because one's a hobby and the other is a form of transportation, perhaps?
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11/5/2014 3:49am
Dirt bikes are considered dangerous to lots of parents who pay for things for kids. Road bikes are practical items paid for by adults for adults, themselves usually.

Most people I know who have a bike have one or the other, not both.
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11/5/2014 3:50am
So you are saying that a bike you can buy off the showroom floor, and if you have the skills you can huck a 110foot triple lacks technology?

I wonder why they ARE so technologically advanced. Hardly anyone can use them to their full potential, and the companies put a lot of work into them for the numbers they sell.

Personally, I'd like to see the cost down some. I'd love a new bike with 2007 technology for $5000. There is a market there.

Just popped 2 bearings out of my swingarm, $140! Be careful what you wish for.
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11/5/2014 4:28am
Compare the sales between them two, there is a reason why one of them gets plenty of $$$ in R&D and one doesn't.

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wow123 wrote:
I dont understand why, 'our' bikes in an actual form of motorsport runs behind in technology to bikes sold for fcking public road use, quite often...
I dont understand why, 'our' bikes in an actual form of motorsport runs behind in technology

to bikes sold for fcking public road use, quite often to dipshits who wouldnt know aluminum from steel

to name but a few

radial mount brakes

titanium rods

magnesium wheels

and look at this

Traction, slide, wheelie, launch and unified braking control in addition to adjustable engine/throttle power settings. Each setting can be manipulated via hardware on the handlebar and is displayed via a colorful TFT display.

These are on 4 cylinder bikes that costs only a few thousand more but come with a few thousand more parts than their single cylinder mx bikes

We are being treated like bozos!

(yeah its off season so plenty of time to start some rant thats bugged you for awhile)


Maybe its because Valentino Rossi does'nt race motocross.....

Nevertheless, at least we have options....who gives a flying hoot if some knob likes a quadbike with a crazy loud pipe on it....or some hairy assed fat bastard who enjoys riding a vibrating Harley....or someone on a crotch rocket who enjoys 180 mph....or the 10 million chinamen who ride scooters...

Choices mate....at least we have motocross bikes...
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11/5/2014 4:54am
HenryA wrote:
Compare the sales between them two, there is a reason why one of them gets plenty of $$$ in R&D and one doesn't.
That seems to make the most sense
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I think it's ridiculous what you get for your money when you compare a CBR600RR to a CRF450R. Think about it.
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Canerat wrote:
Maybe its because Valentino Rossi does'nt race motocross..... Nevertheless, at least we have options....who gives a flying hoot if some knob likes a quadbike with a...
Maybe its because Valentino Rossi does'nt race motocross.....

Nevertheless, at least we have options....who gives a flying hoot if some knob likes a quadbike with a crazy loud pipe on it....or some hairy assed fat bastard who enjoys riding a vibrating Harley....or someone on a crotch rocket who enjoys 180 mph....or the 10 million chinamen who ride scooters...

Choices mate....at least we have motocross bikes...
He does!
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11/5/2014 5:36am
Enjoy buying that magnesium-clad hi-tech bike and drag it through through mud, rocks and sand, then doing the maintenance on the electronics and ABS brakes. Never mind having to go through 2-4 bikes a year if you are serious about racing. Hey, mx is a cheap sport, right? Do you want a speedometer too?

Also, Rossi is a huge MX fan, and I´ve seen videos of him ride MX, and he´s quite good too!
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11/5/2014 5:40am
O___o wrote:
I think it's ridiculous what you get for your money when you compare a CBR600RR to a CRF450R. Think about it.
I agree with this to an extent. MX bikes are seemingly more simple in design yet they're relatively close to sport bikes in cost. I just looked at the yamahas and the YZFR6 is $11,000 new and the YZ450F is $9,000 new. . .

This is the sport we choose though. At some point, I have to imagine that another company will come into the market with the affordable version of bikes with slightly older but still competitive technology.
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11/5/2014 5:45am
I ride both. the tech most definitely comes with a cost. the electronics packages etc that OP describes are generally found on the liter bikes. yamaha has 2 versions of their new R1 the first costs $16500 and the second one $22000. you can get 2 450 dirtbikes for that amount.
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11/5/2014 5:46am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2014 5:46am
1 is a toy.......the other is governed by federal and insurance regulations/liabilities
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O___o wrote:
I think it's ridiculous what you get for your money when you compare a CBR600RR to a CRF450R. Think about it.
IWreckALot wrote:
I agree with this to an extent. MX bikes are seemingly more simple in design yet they're relatively close to sport bikes in cost. I just...
I agree with this to an extent. MX bikes are seemingly more simple in design yet they're relatively close to sport bikes in cost. I just looked at the yamahas and the YZFR6 is $11,000 new and the YZ450F is $9,000 new. . .

This is the sport we choose though. At some point, I have to imagine that another company will come into the market with the affordable version of bikes with slightly older but still competitive technology.
those exist. they're blue and take oil in the gas. but they keep jacking the price on those too.
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11/5/2014 6:12am
O___o wrote:
I think it's ridiculous what you get for your money when you compare a CBR600RR to a CRF450R. Think about it.
Dude I 1,000% agree on both your post and the OP, the actual dealer COST of your 600cc sportbike assuming a 600rr, zx-6r, gsxr 600 or R6 and a 450 motocross bike is pretty close. There is a lot more profit in the mfg's msrp. The markup on closed course mx bikes is so small which I assume is driven by sales volumes and there is no disputing that.

Still, I am VERY surprised at how many Vital people are in this thread defending the tech gap as pointed out by the OP. Yes I do agreethere should be a high and low (5 year old tech) option to help boost entry into the sport vwhich is critically suffering. I ride 2 strokes so I really don't care ass munch
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11/5/2014 6:36am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2014 6:42am
It could be alot worse. You could be riding a quad thats been the same sh*t for 10 years.

Its still hard to compare something like an offroad bike to something people ride on the roads. For example look at a rzr 1000 for 20k now compare that to what you get from a car for 20k. If you think the price for what you pay for comparing mx bikes to road bikes is unfair, people are pretty much taking it no lube on the rzr to car comparison.
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11/5/2014 6:44am
HenryA wrote:
Compare the sales between them two, there is a reason why one of them gets plenty of $$$ in R&D and one doesn't.
This point continues to be ignored by those posting below it. It really is that simple.
11/5/2014 6:57am
Modern mx bikes are not high-tech devices. They are about as technologically advanced as a garden tractor.
We're excited about fuel injection and it has been around in some form since the 1920s.

Digital ECU- 1980 or so.
disc brakes- 1950s.
Even traction control was standard on Buicks in the early 1970s.
11/5/2014 8:37am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2014 8:38am
O___o wrote:
I think it's ridiculous what you get for your money when you compare a CBR600RR to a CRF450R. Think about it.
Dude I 1,000% agree on both your post and the OP, the actual dealer COST of your 600cc sportbike assuming a 600rr, zx-6r, gsxr 600 or...
Dude I 1,000% agree on both your post and the OP, the actual dealer COST of your 600cc sportbike assuming a 600rr, zx-6r, gsxr 600 or R6 and a 450 motocross bike is pretty close. There is a lot more profit in the mfg's msrp. The markup on closed course mx bikes is so small which I assume is driven by sales volumes and there is no disputing that.

Still, I am VERY surprised at how many Vital people are in this thread defending the tech gap as pointed out by the OP. Yes I do agreethere should be a high and low (5 year old tech) option to help boost entry into the sport vwhich is critically suffering. I ride 2 strokes so I really don't care ass munch
Did you post this from your phone? I'm just curious if it auto-corrected your last sentence.
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11/5/2014 8:47am
Modern mx bikes are not high-tech devices. They are about as technologically advanced as a garden tractor. We're excited about fuel injection and it has been...
Modern mx bikes are not high-tech devices. They are about as technologically advanced as a garden tractor.
We're excited about fuel injection and it has been around in some form since the 1920s.

Digital ECU- 1980 or so.
disc brakes- 1950s.
Even traction control was standard on Buicks in the early 1970s.
Well, I've seen people complaining that they have to check three air pressures on their new forks. How do you think they'd fare having to deal with some of the systems mentioned earlier?
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Would you really want anti lock brakes?
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I don't think MX bikes are as far behind as you think. Modern 4 Strokes are a technological marvel when you consider the conditions a dirt bike has to operate in. The loading and unloading of the drive train is crazy. Going through a set of whoops, the motor is loaded and unloaded for every whoop. Also with road bikes, the suspension is no where in the ball park of MX suspension. The complexity and construction of MX suspension is where a lot of the cost of the bike goes.
11/5/2014 10:08am
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This^
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11/5/2014 10:34am
also keep in mind that a 13 BMW S1000RR cost upwards of 17,000$. granted thats a high end bike, but not 'only a couple thousand more' like you said.
11/5/2014 11:04am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2014 11:04am
Modern mx bikes are not high-tech devices. They are about as technologically advanced as a garden tractor. We're excited about fuel injection and it has been...
Modern mx bikes are not high-tech devices. They are about as technologically advanced as a garden tractor.
We're excited about fuel injection and it has been around in some form since the 1920s.

Digital ECU- 1980 or so.
disc brakes- 1950s.
Even traction control was standard on Buicks in the early 1970s.
Conceptually there is not a lot of new tech, but the technological refinement in dirt bikes is VERY high.

Your comment is analogous to saying that the Boeing 787 is low tech because it uses wings/airfoils to create lift, and the Wright Flyer used wings/airfoils to create lift.
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11/5/2014 11:09am
steed 2.0 wrote:
[img]http://static.safehaven.com/authors/wallenwein/1382_a.jpg[/img]
Are you kidding here? What does this graph have to do with comparing a Japanese street bike to a Japanese dirt bike?
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11/5/2014 11:51am
I've been making the comparison between a $8499.00 450cc dirt bike at 250 pounds of raw material, single cylinder, and no paint stripped down bare boned minimalistic bike to the $8299.00 , 900cc V Twin 750 pounds of raw materials, mag wheels, custom two tone candy painted , hand painted pin striped, chrome clad, electrically lighted and gauge packaged cruisers for years. Some of you guys finally starting to wake up I see.....lol.Laughing
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11/5/2014 12:01pm
Out of interest, anyone know the ratio of road bike to dirt bike sales?
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11/5/2014 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2014 12:08pm
newmann wrote:
I've been making the comparison between a $8499.00 450cc dirt bike at 250 pounds of raw material, single cylinder, and no paint stripped down bare boned...
I've been making the comparison between a $8499.00 450cc dirt bike at 250 pounds of raw material, single cylinder, and no paint stripped down bare boned minimalistic bike to the $8299.00 , 900cc V Twin 750 pounds of raw materials, mag wheels, custom two tone candy painted , hand painted pin striped, chrome clad, electrically lighted and gauge packaged cruisers for years. Some of you guys finally starting to wake up I see.....lol.Laughing
They must charge extra for simplicity, because this one has no motor or suspension but still costs about $11,000:

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