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ehr400 10/29/2014 7:41am
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Same thing happened in Ida with the track they wanted to build next to US23, a quarry, RR tracks and busy road. They had one neighbor causing all the issues, rounded up the other neighbors and hated it before even hearing about it. Now most of the neighbors said they dont have a issue with it and regret agreeing with that looney. Also the judge broke laws and procedures within the twp and county. Once he was being challenged on that he dug his heels in deeper to avoid admitting he was wrong. Basically denied the guys who owned the property even allowed to ride on their own property.
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MiSledder 10/29/2014 7:46am
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bsharkey wrote:
its amazing that people can be so bored that they have nothing better to do than complain. a friend of ours recently settled a lawsuit over...
its amazing that people can be so bored that they have nothing better to do than complain. a friend of ours recently settled a lawsuit over bushes he took out that were on his property when he rebuilt his house. the neighbor next door was suing for 216,000 and ended up getting $65000!!!!! for effing bushes that were not even on his property. people are pathetic anymore
Id like the read the details of that
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SCAM124 10/29/2014 7:55am
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dboivin wrote:
good luck, these almost never go well. was involved with a battle in harrison and then now there is a battle in indian river over the...
good luck, these almost never go well. was involved with a battle in harrison and then now there is a battle in indian river over the same stuff. once you get one bad apple roundng up the troops against you every tree hugger in the state coming out to fight you. their goal will be to run you out of money defending yourself.
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Thats exactly what happened to our track in Irish Hills. One, yes ONE guy rounded up all the neighbors and the twp folk and almost shut...
Thats exactly what happened to our track in Irish Hills. One, yes ONE guy rounded up all the neighbors and the twp folk and almost shut us down completely.
Keep in mind the track has been there since the 1970s.
Noise was the complaint.
And this was back in the 2stroke days when bikes were quiet compared to 4 strokes.

Good Luck Curtis.
Curtis - I'm part of the Irish Hills track as well. PM Muezh or myself if you have any questions. Fought the battle for almost a decade before getting a court order. We still ride albeit A LOT less than we used to.
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Old-Man 10/29/2014 9:29am
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dboivin wrote:
good luck, these almost never go well. was involved with a battle in harrison and then now there is a battle in indian river over the...
good luck, these almost never go well. was involved with a battle in harrison and then now there is a battle in indian river over the same stuff. once you get one bad apple roundng up the troops against you every tree hugger in the state coming out to fight you. their goal will be to run you out of money defending yourself.
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Thats exactly what happened to our track in Irish Hills. One, yes ONE guy rounded up all the neighbors and the twp folk and almost shut...
Thats exactly what happened to our track in Irish Hills. One, yes ONE guy rounded up all the neighbors and the twp folk and almost shut us down completely.
Keep in mind the track has been there since the 1970s.
Noise was the complaint.
And this was back in the 2stroke days when bikes were quiet compared to 4 strokes.

Good Luck Curtis.
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Curtis - I'm part of the Irish Hills track as well. PM Muezh or myself if you have any questions. Fought the battle for almost a...
Curtis - I'm part of the Irish Hills track as well. PM Muezh or myself if you have any questions. Fought the battle for almost a decade before getting a court order. We still ride albeit A LOT less than we used to.
If this is the same track that MRA (Barry Mayo) used to sanction back in the 80's -90's I raced a few events there...

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ehr400 10/29/2014 9:29am
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Yes.
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SCAM124 10/29/2014 9:44am
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As Eric said above, yes it is.
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Old-Man 10/29/2014 10:06am
10/29/2014 10:06am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2014 10:07am
Used to race Milan Fri night then Delta Sat then either Irish hills, Log road , Mustang acres, Baja, Morelands on Sunday...Man I loved those days...LOL

Then go to work on Monday with NO aches and pains. If I did that today I would be in the Hospital for a week recovering Laughing



Sorry...don't wanna high-jack the thread
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ehr400 10/29/2014 10:11am
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I think we all are that way now! Lol
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jndmx 10/29/2014 10:25am
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I hate to say it but if you're counting on that "accessory use" zoning you are going to be very disappointed.

If you had just cleared some land and slowly built it up into a track you may have gotten a pass.
Bringing in a company to construct a purpose built track whether it is for practice or not may have doomed you.
If you didn't have a permit specifically listing a motorcycle track as what was being built, you are not going to win this.

Again I hate to say it because I love moto and think you should be able to do whatever you want with your property....unfortunately the law is not going to be on your side with this and I would expect they will issue you an order to restore the property.
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TailSoHard 10/29/2014 11:12am
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Show them that video of the kids riding moto bikes around the streets of Philadelphia and explain that it could be a lot worse...
TrevorAllenRacing#623 10/29/2014 11:47am
10/29/2014 11:47am
The earth change permit says just that...precise and nothing hidden.

"BUILD A PRIVATE DIRT TRACK FOR MOTO CROSS PRACTICE"
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msp332 10/29/2014 12:27pm
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If you need an acoustics expert, the National Council of Acoustical Consultants has a national directory: http://www.ncac.com/directory.php

I get the impression that the town board needs to be convinced that the track will not be too loud. An objective definition of "too loud" might not exist in the absence of a noise ordinance. Getting a clear definition of "too loud" from the board, based on municipal, county, or state law, or based on legal precedence might help prepare a winning argument.

Acoustical consultants can estimate how loud the track will be at neighboring properties, compare that with ambient sound levels or with relevant noise ordinance laws, and recommend noise mitigation measures. That's what I do.

Attorneys can help with the legal maneuvering. I think you need an attorney more than an acoustics expert. Hope everything gets resolved.
project racer 10/29/2014 12:34pm
10/29/2014 12:34pm
Does one ever really "own" a given piece of property ? Basically, you may pay off the note, but you are not free to do as you wish on the land, in many respects.

Big Brother owns it. Your property taxes allow you "use" of it.

Fail to pay the taxes, and watch it slip away.

The township is playing hardball. How hard ($$$) can you afford to fight back ?

Bring the best legal counsel you can to the meeting.
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Jack mehoff 10/29/2014 6:11pm
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project racer wrote:
Does one ever really "own" a given piece of property ? Basically, you may pay off the note, but you are not free to do as...
Does one ever really "own" a given piece of property ? Basically, you may pay off the note, but you are not free to do as you wish on the land, in many respects.

Big Brother owns it. Your property taxes allow you "use" of it.

Fail to pay the taxes, and watch it slip away.

The township is playing hardball. How hard ($$$) can you afford to fight back ?

Bring the best legal counsel you can to the meeting.
Drive 10 tractors up with cow / hog/ chicken shit about 1 hour before the meeting and spread it in the parking lot , let them have"a little taste off what's coming" if they would like to peruse the subject matter , YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH RATIONAL PEOPLE THEY ONLY SEE THERE WAY, you need to keep planting the seed from day one . This is from personal experience ,my family had a 40 acre weekend house up state ny after 20 yrs off riding bikes there, a lawer couple from NYC bought a 5 acre place one winter for there weekend retreat and where not happy when spring rolled around , I was a nice guy and told them most Sunday's I would not ride , that wasn't good enough, they thought they would run my money dry in attorney fees guess what next sping , there was new home owners,I paid every farmer around 10 dollars a load off manure to spread in the feild in front off there house works like a charm !!!! Use your brain don't give it all to the lawers , your local farmer works damm cheap
TrevorAllenRacing#623 11/1/2014 3:39pm
11/1/2014 3:39pm
DEQ and County Soil and Erosion Control have both visited the site due to "calls" about potential violations...all is good, no issues...cases closed. Talked to several neighbors (cordially, of course) in the last couple of days and all admit/acknowledge that my son is good...AND that the bike is not loud. The neighbors I spoke with all said they were concerned that we would be holding race events and such...assured them that was not the case and they are now supportive, or at the least do not have a problem with what we have going on...
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JW269 11/10/2014 6:47am
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Bumping to remind anyone in the SW Mich area. Please come out and support the Allen family if you can.

The Location and time are below:
Nov 10th at 6:00PM. at 50 E V W Ave, Vicksburg, MI 49097
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Old-Man 11/10/2014 12:07pm
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JW269 wrote:
Bumping to remind anyone in the SW Mich area. Please come out and support the Allen family if you can. The Location and time are below...
Bumping to remind anyone in the SW Mich area. Please come out and support the Allen family if you can.

The Location and time are below:
Nov 10th at 6:00PM. at 50 E V W Ave, Vicksburg, MI 49097
Good Luck Man...Keep us peeps that can't be there posted.

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Kawaboy14 11/10/2014 3:39pm
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democrats or republicans? :0)
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JW269 11/10/2014 4:06pm
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Well it didn't go as well as everyone hoped for. The "board members" already had their minds made up. It seems like the next logical step will be court. I'd like to thank on Curtis's behalf all who came out in support. It's great to see the moto community pull together for what they are passionate about.
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SCAM124 11/10/2014 4:34pm
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We fought a vicious battle for years. Again, PM Muezh or myself if you have any questions. BUT if you want to ride when you want, you should hire the most pit-bull attorney you can find/afford and squash this asap. This will drag out if you don't. Do not continue to ride whenever/however you feel. They are watching. Some of the "anti" folks will make it a mission to shut you down like your a criminal. I would keep all info from here on out private. You got the word out, nothing the moto community can do for you now except to donate attorney fee $...

Just my opinion from someone who been there, done that.

Hope yours is different. Good luck friend.
TrevorAllenRacing#623 11/10/2014 4:41pm
11/10/2014 4:41pm
Well...not what we hoped and prayed for...the board was dead set in their attorney's opinion to shut us down. They are clear on one thing though: "I fought for this country and I will fight for my family...we will not go down easy." Court bound. P.S. thank you to all those that showed up in support of our family and what we are doing...we greatly appreciate it.
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dboivin 11/10/2014 5:04pm
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SCAM124 wrote:
We fought a vicious battle for years. Again, PM Muezh or myself if you have any questions. BUT if you want to ride when you want...
We fought a vicious battle for years. Again, PM Muezh or myself if you have any questions. BUT if you want to ride when you want, you should hire the most pit-bull attorney you can find/afford and squash this asap. This will drag out if you don't. Do not continue to ride whenever/however you feel. They are watching. Some of the "anti" folks will make it a mission to shut you down like your a criminal. I would keep all info from here on out private. You got the word out, nothing the moto community can do for you now except to donate attorney fee $...

Just my opinion from someone who been there, done that.

Hope yours is different. Good luck friend.
damn good advice. you won't win in the court of public opinion because thats not who you need to win over.

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