The Stewarts Should Start Their Own Team

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10/5/2014 4:09pm
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Dosh Grant? Or Grant Dangston?
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Dolce & Gabbana?
We could sway a few girls into a smartop with somma that hahaha
10/5/2014 4:42pm
When he rides for a team, he gets paid. When he owns a team, he pays. See the difference?
#991 wrote:
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No way Chad parted with cash for the Aussie SX series. No way.
He might have worn a little on start or appearance money, but that's the extent of his financial "commitment"...
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10/5/2014 4:42pm
[i]"Motorsports, music... Entertainment now days you don't make a lot of money for the efforts you put in",[/i]

That is not true. Music, entertainment are cash cows these days.. Look at ticket prices.
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10/5/2014 4:46pm
Dr. Know wrote:
Both James and Malcolm should start their own team. That seems to be their next move before James retires...
And get LB back in the line-up then kick some ass!!

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10/5/2014 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 7:45pm
When he rides for a team, he gets paid. When he owns a team, he pays. See the difference?
#991 wrote:
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No way Chad parted with cash for the Aussie SX series. No way. He might have worn a little on start or appearance money, but that's...
No way Chad parted with cash for the Aussie SX series. No way.
He might have worn a little on start or appearance money, but that's the extent of his financial "commitment"...
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When he rides for a team, he gets paid. When he owns a team, he pays. See the difference?
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Well Said #991, the passion is what makes champions, and it is what is needed to start your own team for sure. Chad is a perfect example of dedication as a team owner. I just hope they make that move rather than just wander away at the end of the day. Sonya,or Ms. Stewart, has her CPA now. So they have some business Savvy in terms of watching the numbers.

The Stewart's have always had an uphill battle for such a long time, in our sport, in so many different ways. This is a very tough sport and the Stewart's are very tough family. They have become very humble in so many different ways, and they do deserve a break. I love watching those boys ride, and I also like seeing them evolve as they get older. I just hope the second half of the Stewart Dynasty works out for them. They are very proud people that deserve a break.
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Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter and strives for excellence. You gotta remember what these athletes are off the track. They are socially awkward non GED possesing men. Now I am not saying they are dumb. Or that they should have college degrees. College on most levels is a bigger scam than ghe solicitor at my door that I ignore. We just gotta remember that racers are racers and that team owners are owners. It doesnt always workout for the best. Especially in a money deprived industry like this one. Although Stewart has the money and connections. The experience to run a team should be left to someone else.
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10/5/2014 6:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 7:45pm
Gonzo746 wrote:
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter...
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter and strives for excellence. You gotta remember what these athletes are off the track. They are socially awkward non GED possesing men. Now I am not saying they are dumb. Or that they should have college degrees. College on most levels is a bigger scam than ghe solicitor at my door that I ignore. We just gotta remember that racers are racers and that team owners are owners. It doesnt always workout for the best. Especially in a money deprived industry like this one. Although Stewart has the money and connections. The experience to run a team should be left to someone else.
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10/5/2014 6:53pm
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Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter...
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter and strives for excellence. You gotta remember what these athletes are off the track. They are socially awkward non GED possesing men. Now I am not saying they are dumb. Or that they should have college degrees. College on most levels is a bigger scam than ghe solicitor at my door that I ignore. We just gotta remember that racers are racers and that team owners are owners. It doesnt always workout for the best. Especially in a money deprived industry like this one. Although Stewart has the money and connections. The experience to run a team should be left to someone else.
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Haha, those are two pretty big things. And I would imagine there's more than a few riders that aren't capable of either of those things.
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10/5/2014 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 7:46pm
Gonzo746 wrote:
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter...
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter and strives for excellence. You gotta remember what these athletes are off the track. They are socially awkward non GED possesing men. Now I am not saying they are dumb. Or that they should have college degrees. College on most levels is a bigger scam than ghe solicitor at my door that I ignore. We just gotta remember that racers are racers and that team owners are owners. It doesnt always workout for the best. Especially in a money deprived industry like this one. Although Stewart has the money and connections. The experience to run a team should be left to someone else.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Haha, those are two pretty big things. And I would imagine there's more than a few riders that aren't capable of either of those things.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Haha, those are two pretty big things. And I would imagine there's more than a few riders that aren't capable of either of those things.
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I'm just going to agree to disagree. No worries
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10/5/2014 7:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 7:46pm
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Haha, those are two pretty big things. And I would imagine there's more than a few riders that aren't capable of either of those things.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
I'm just going to agree to disagree. No worries
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10/5/2014 7:55pm
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He never had organ failure? So all the IV fluids and being hospitalized was a dog and pony show? What else are you looking for in...
He never had organ failure? So all the IV fluids and being hospitalized was a dog and pony show? What else are you looking for in that story? Being able to ride and practice does not equal being able to race two 35 minute moto's under race conditions. Its a whole different level of intensity when the gate drops.
I guess RV must have been having organ failure at the Seattle SX two seasons ago too. And he still raced that night! Smile I am honestly not trying to bicker with you here, I swear. Malcom missing the rest of the MX season is a mystery to more people than just me though. I think his chances of having a ride right now would have been a heck of a lot better if he hadn't sat out the rest of the year after a mediocre season to date.
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10/5/2014 9:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2014 9:26pm
Gonzo746 wrote:
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter...
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter and strives for excellence. You gotta remember what these athletes are off the track. They are socially awkward non GED possesing men. Now I am not saying they are dumb. Or that they should have college degrees. College on most levels is a bigger scam than ghe solicitor at my door that I ignore. We just gotta remember that racers are racers and that team owners are owners. It doesnt always workout for the best. Especially in a money deprived industry like this one. Although Stewart has the money and connections. The experience to run a team should be left to someone else.
I will try extremely hard to not be negative, unproductive, personal and distracting, but yes "Rider's Should Start Their Own Team" if they desire.

I have to say this part, but you said.... " They are socially awkward non GED possesing men." Really, Really, that was a very strong slap to these young men. They are no more socially awkward than you seem to be by putting them down like that by saying that. That was pretty damn mean. The interviews I have seen them do they are fine... I do think Malcom is funny..lol Not sure why you would put them down like that as people. Their fine.

I said I would not get distracted. o.k. we're climbing to 10,000 ft.

The point is this. When you say you are starting your own team that does not mean you have to be the Chief Cook, Bottle Washer and Waiter. It means you put "Your" team together for a specific outcome. If I say I put new floors in my house that doesn't mean I did the actual laying of the Travertine, when I say I put a new stereo in my truck that doesn't mean I actually physically put the thing in myself. It means I got someone (team) to help me do the things I may not be good at or just do the whole thing and get the thing done for a successful outcome. So you need a good, strong and loyal team, but they have to be smart enough to understand how to smartly market, manage and grow the business in this very challenging industry.

The Stewart's just have to stay focused, ride the bikes, create that mystery and draw their fan base and followers for the ride. The hardest part is bringing in the crowd. They have that part and that comes from being who they are and riding the bikes. They have their own style and grace when they ride that makes ppl like us talk about them.

Running the business is a side you don't necessarily want ppl that ride bikes. you just want ppl that wish they could and respect you (the rider), but were always good at the business side of things, and they must have the heart and fire that we racers and competitors have with everything we do. That's the ones that will give you everything and will be loyal and live through you as a rider because you are living their dream. When you win they win.

In my humble opinion this strategy is key, but when you add money on the table it requires that very special business person that will stay focused and not get distracted and sway over time as competitors and their people try to tear your team apart with rumor and scandal as they see you become successful as a team. That business person has to work through that. The Stewarts (James/Malcolm) just need to stay focused and ride the bikes and continue to ride them well, and only focus on the events that they are best at and most importantly identify and know their fan base and stay close to them.

It's Warfare out here in this market with a very slim margin. It takes maturity, commitment, fairness, honesty and most importantly respect and passion (on the business side). Big James and Sonja can stay on that side (with a smart business person or persons), but James and Malcolm need to try and stay away from that side and continue to ride the bikes and ride them well.

You want people or a person that is good at running a business that know people that are connected. They have to also have an allegiance and the respect to listen to the Stewart's and the Stewarts have to have the courage to make those hard business decisions when the smart (trusted) business/partner brings up a challenging decision that that has to be made. Lots of trust and compromise.

This is the crossroads that will either make it work or not. If that relationship does not work then that's when Sonja or Big James have to be able to help the boys keep this thing alive. The business people make sure the ship moves (profitable) as best they can in this business (they have to have the passion for our sport) for the amount of time and effort it will take to potentially make it work. They have to be extremely creative, think outside the box, be connected and probably come from a totally different industry to minimize the potential bias, but they have to know ppl in the industry (be connected) to maneuver and create opportunities. The Stewart's just have to be who they are and continue to stay positive( ride, ride, ride) and grow something special they started. The worse thing for them to do is to just drift away which I'm sure some would want to see.

Now I won't talk about the racial component as it relates to who is strong enough and willing to sincerely step up and help them (business side) versus not, and of course the Stewart's have to be willing to try something different.


However, I do believe they need to stay close to the (Mothership 2 wheels). Four wheels... hmmmm.. not sure... I think they would fade away from our sport or motorsports overall by doing that. They ride Motocross. I vote stay close to the mothership and start that team. Make a real serious effort and smartly pursue it.
10/5/2014 11:56pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2014 12:02am
Gonzo746 wrote:
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter...
Now that gave me a good laugh. Riders should not start their own team. Chad Reed may be an exception as the man is a fighter and strives for excellence. You gotta remember what these athletes are off the track. They are socially awkward non GED possesing men. Now I am not saying they are dumb. Or that they should have college degrees. College on most levels is a bigger scam than ghe solicitor at my door that I ignore. We just gotta remember that racers are racers and that team owners are owners. It doesnt always workout for the best. Especially in a money deprived industry like this one. Although Stewart has the money and connections. The experience to run a team should be left to someone else.
Chad is also rumored to have made huge returns on investments he made with earnings from earlier in his career when there was still big big money in it. Chad has a margin for error that many other riders dont. Even Stew. Probably not the best example.

Or you can even listen to Coy Gibbs...who has huge family money backing JGR. When asked what advice he would give himself if he could go back in time when JGR was starting the MX team...he had ONE word.

DON'T.

Finally, James has said a number of times...when he is done...he will be DONE. The MX community will not hear from him much, if at all. If having a team is not something a given rider aspires to...then he should not do it.
10/6/2014 12:05am
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Although it seems really lame to suggest the Stewarts start their own team to float a family member without a ride, claiming a rider starting team...
Although it seems really lame to suggest the Stewarts start their own team to float a family member without a ride, claiming a rider starting team is unrealistic is just about as lame.. Chad Reed seems to be doing that just fine.
Man it is a crap shoot... I doubt Chad's bank balances are growing from 22. JGR? ....that is fully subsidized by the Nascar teams. And if...
Man it is a crap shoot...

I doubt Chad's bank balances are growing from 22. JGR? ....that is fully subsidized by the Nascar teams. And if you listen to DV...he will tell you that DG dumps 7 figures a year into MCR. GEICO and RCH are two teams that have made it. The other teams that have, are "in the Industry", or have heavy in industry backing (Pro-Circuilt, TLD, BTO). The consumer product backed sponsor model of major motor sports just will not work in MX.

Overall, I would say there are much better places for a rider that has actually made money...to use it.
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Who's DG?
G and V are near each other on the key board. i meant DV....who was team manager for MCR for a year. He got to see all the numbers....and he knows how much $ it takes to run a team. He has said over and over...there is just no money in this industry.
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hjacks racing, with all the hits we give 'em... the ad revenue alone could put mookie out there on the line at A1 with a redcape and monkey wrench graphics.
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G and V are near each other on the key board. i meant DV....who was team manager for MCR for a year. He got to see...
G and V are near each other on the key board. i meant DV....who was team manager for MCR for a year. He got to see all the numbers....and he knows how much $ it takes to run a team. He has said over and over...there is just no money in this industry.
There is, but there is a horrible distribution of wealth. The larger teams get most of it, plus outside sponsors are poached by the event promoters.

I'll give you two examples.

1. GoPro chose two teams to be their 250cc class teams a couple years ago. Pro circuit was one of them, and the other, we will refer to as "Team X". Pro Circuit got 400,000 plus unlimited gopros. "Team X" got..... a gopro. anyone care to explain how or why PC's gopro footage is any better than Team X's gopro footage to the casual viewer? can you see anything other than tip of the front fender?

2. Poaching. A satellite team brings in an outside sponsor. tough thing to do, these days. Well, as soon as they do, the event promoter (Feld, in this case) approach the sponsor and tell them, "Hey, look... when that team's rider gets hurt, you'll get zero views. We can get you a 55,000 views every 15 seconds, at every event this year." You basically have to write it into your sponsorship package now to prevent it from happening.

Feld will be the end of this sport, at least, the sport core fans recognize as supercross.

and now back to your scheduled program.
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hjacks racing, with all the hits we give 'em... the ad revenue alone could put mookie out there on the line at A1 with a redcape...
hjacks racing, with all the hits we give 'em... the ad revenue alone could put mookie out there on the line at A1 with a redcape and monkey wrench graphics.
Back in the motodrive days their website was pretty ghetto. Now they have a halfway decent one. They should be sending us a card!

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