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TeamGreen 9/4/2014 12:03pm
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Thank you for you for taking the time to wade into the shark infested waters in here Mrs .C. I certainly meant no disrespect to the...
Thank you for you for taking the time to wade into the shark infested waters in here Mrs .C. I certainly meant no disrespect to the riders or their family's and I do understand why people get so jazzed up when someone feels they have been insulted. Personally I think Trey handles all of it amazingly well and just tells it like it is if he feels he is being misrepresented , but that is not always the case. Many people seem to have absolutely NO sense of humor and their friends, relatives et al go off on a witch hunt if anything negative is said. I try to keep my comments light hearted and I like to poke a little fun, some people get that and some people don't. Either way it's cool.
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I can't speak for others, but it is easy to get overly involved (just like I am right now). We love our riders in a much...
I can't speak for others, but it is easy to get overly involved (just like I am right now). We love our riders in a much different way than a typical fan, so it is too easy to speak our minds sometimes. At the same time, we are also fans and have a right to our opinion as well. And sometimes that opinion is different than what is said/printed because we know more about what is going on.

Your comments and pictures are always enjoyable. Keep up the good work.

Whoever said that the fans pay the riders' salaries, you are completely right. I do think these guys owe it to you to be as open and as honest as they can be. Sometimes that's a delicate line (ie team strategies, suppliers), but they need to do a better job just being honest for the most part.
Something you may appreciate on this matter...

RV seems to have been broad-sided by this "3rd year situation"...I truly get the impression that he wasn't thinking he HAD to come back next-year and do the "Entire Season" (Indoors and Out). It seems that "your Bob" is a bit better than "his Bob" on these matters; but, that's just my opinion and I have a very positive opinion about "your Bob"...he really does care bout "his guys" & is VERY personally involved in the language of their contracts... We know this.

RV has said things, at times, that I don't truly believe to be as mis-leading as some have implied...I believe the game changed on him...hence, he might be racing somewhere-else to satisfy his sponsors, his personal desires AND provide himself with a change of scenery. More power to him and I hope he has success and makes us proud.
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As a fan of all great pro riders, I lose respect for the ones who hide and lie.
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mom241 9/4/2014 12:29pm
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Mom, with all respect, can you name another professional sport where the athletes' parents or wife gets online and defends them? It really makes pro racing...
Mom, with all respect, can you name another professional sport where the athletes' parents or wife gets online and defends them? It really makes pro racing just seem like an extension of amateur racing.

The amount of intimidation, disrespect and mistreatment of moto media is quite ridiculous. The mx industry thinks journalists should be PR people.If there were REAL journalism and fact-finding going on, instead of glorified rider and product promotion , the industry would go crazy.

The only other sport I follow, and I follow it passionately, is North Rock Creek Middle School football. Not much media involved.

But, seriously, you're telling me that wives and girlfriends don't weigh in on Twitter, etc if they think their man is getting an unfair shake? I find that really hard to believe.
Harry Callahan 9/4/2014 12:43pm
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The only other sport I follow, and I follow it passionately, is North Rock Creek Middle School football. Not much media involved. But, seriously, you're telling...
The only other sport I follow, and I follow it passionately, is North Rock Creek Middle School football. Not much media involved.

But, seriously, you're telling me that wives and girlfriends don't weigh in on Twitter, etc if they think their man is getting an unfair shake? I find that really hard to believe.
Valentino Rossi got into a Twitter fight with Max Biaggi, and was subsequently banned from Biaggi's Twitter page.

Rossi later stated that this was his "goal". It was hilarious.

There was no affect on the sales of the R1 or the Aprilia RSV4 as a result.

My point is, I don't think social media affects the OEMs bottom line like some people think it does.

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Getndome 9/4/2014 12:44pm
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Are there ever any consequences to these leaks???!

Did ktm's bike sales decrease because matthes said davi would never race that bike?

Did Hondas bike sales decrease because it was leaked that barcia was going to JGR?

Did anything negative happen at red bull kTM after it leaked that roczen was leaving to RCH?

Did any of these riders sponsors not pay them because a secret that they let get leaked got leaked?

I really want to know what everyone is so afraid of? I'm an RV fan but I ride Hondas I don't care what reed or barcia thinks of the new Honda I like mine. And I'm sure I'm not alone in this we are gonna buy why we like regardless of who's going where or doing what.
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gharmon 9/4/2014 12:47pm
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Just for the record I have a pretty good idea that KR is going to RCH but I haven't seen that press release yet nor have I seen Justin Barcia's official press release. Everyone want's to know RV's situation because it is a massive decision to make plus he is arguable the worlds best racer.

Do I wish he would go ahead and tell us? Hell yeah I want to know but I wont like him any less if he waits to release this info when he actually knows what it is.
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I think we're very lucky that with all the modern social media networks (twitter, instagram etc.) we're able to see a huge chunk of what riders get up to in their down time. Almost to the point where we take it for granted and feel a right to know everything all the time.

The RV to GP's story could potentially be one of the biggest news stories our sport has ever seen. So I think it's important that everything is 100% in place and finalised before anything is said. If RV comes out and says that he is racing GP's and then for whatever reason the deal breaks down he's gonna get slated even more than he is now. I don't remember seeing an official release that says Paulin to Honda yet either. So they may have to wait for that deal to be done
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Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want to? Absolutely. I have no problem with that at all. When he outright lies to the media and misleads people when he knows exactly what he's going to do? Yeah I have a problem with that.
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Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want...
Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want to? Absolutely. I have no problem with that at all. When he outright lies to the media and misleads people when he knows exactly what he's going to do? Yeah I have a problem with that.
So, the assumption is that he knew what he was going to do all along...?

Really?

Show me.
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Dealing with the media, in any sport or with anyone in the public eye, is a slippery slope, at best. Politicians do it best because they give you just enough to hang yourself with. RV is no politician and neither is any other one of these riders. As our sport gets larger and less of a fringe sport, more interaction and more transparency will be needed with the media. There will always be legitimate reporting outlets and there will always be more sensationalistic outlets. But, in the grand scheme of things, these are ALL needed. It keeps the lines of communication open and people talking, which in turn, puts eyes where they need to be. People talk, people look. When people are looking, they see things that they like and maybe they can buy their way in. Without people buying, none of US have anything to talk about, because no one is racing or riding. Be thankful that people are talking about RV and speculating. Its healthy and keeps it moving along. Builds interest.

Does RV OWE us anything? He owes us not to pull the BS he pulled this spring. He does not owe it to us to tell us anything if his sponsors will pull his support. They are the boss and I'm sure RV will say what he needs to when its time. October 1st, ladies and gents.
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TDeath21 wrote:
Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want...
Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want to? Absolutely. I have no problem with that at all. When he outright lies to the media and misleads people when he knows exactly what he's going to do? Yeah I have a problem with that.
Villopoto will be devastated when he finds out you have a problem with him.
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TDeath21 9/4/2014 7:07pm
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Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want...
Does Villopoto have a right to privacy just like every human does? Yes. Does he have a right to not release information if he doesn't want to? Absolutely. I have no problem with that at all. When he outright lies to the media and misleads people when he knows exactly what he's going to do? Yeah I have a problem with that.
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Villopoto will be devastated when he finds out you have a problem with him.
I'm one of many. We all pay his bills. Yeah he should show a little more respect to us I think.
eightbitmotocrosser 9/4/2014 7:44pm
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I'm one of many. We all pay his bills. Yeah he should show a little more respect to us I think.
We don't pay his bills.
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Skippie 9/4/2014 7:53pm
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I'm one of many. We all pay his bills. Yeah he should show a little more respect to us I think.
Does anyone ever stop to think that maybe the people who write his multi-million dollar checks every year don't want him saying anything?
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Uncleof2 9/4/2014 9:42pm
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Secrecy can bite professional athletes in the ass if they aren't somewhat open with the media. Take Russell Wilson for example: Got divorced in the offseason...
Secrecy can bite professional athletes in the ass if they aren't somewhat open with the media. Take Russell Wilson for example: Got divorced in the offseason, came out and released a statement about it immediately saying that the divorce indeed happened, and that is all he would say about the subject and boom, it was done. No rumors spinning out of control or anything. The media took his statement and didn't try prodding him about it and he could go about his business getting ready for the season.

All RV needs to do is release a statement stating that he is unsure of his plans currently and that's all he will speak on the subject at the moment.

These guys are professionals and should act like such, keeping fans in the dark only leads to rumors and angst among fans.

oh, and GO HAWKS
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JeepnMike 9/4/2014 9:52pm
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And even a lot of #12s love his game, but still think he is a dick for the way he behaves. I am not trying to annoy you, but some of the folks saying "say anything, just something" from RV have a point. Using Lynch probably wasn't your best example Tongue

Good job Hawks!!
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And even a lot of #12s love his game, but still think he is a dick for the way he behaves. I am not trying to...
And even a lot of #12s love his game, but still think he is a dick for the way he behaves. I am not trying to annoy you, but some of the folks saying "say anything, just something" from RV have a point. Using Lynch probably wasn't your best example Tongue

Good job Hawks!!
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randel.ludwig.5 9/5/2014 2:02am
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Does anyone ever stop to think that maybe the people who write his multi-million dollar checks every year don't want him saying anything?
Skippie gets it. I'm sure there are many times that he is advised on what to say and not say. When he said: "As of now we are racing the outdoors" he got hammered by his nonfans when he did not. That may have been a case of him trying to focus on winning a SX title and not wanting to be bothered by the continued questioning about the upcoming season. He may have been told to just tell everyone "the plan is to go racing" From my experience he is a honest and forthright man. If he has something to say that is worth hearing, he says it.

Jeepn,
Your right about some of the fans perception of Mr. Lynch. He does not care to speak in public and is not a media dreamboat. People thinking he is a Dick because he is quite is messed up. I don't know the man personally so I give him grace. I wish more people would do that on this forum.

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Crank 9/5/2014 2:13am
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Here's a good example.

Rv said I'm doing outdoors when the whole time he knew he wasn't.

So when you book airline fucking tickets and accomidation to see the guy in action and then it all comes out its very disappointing.

I agree fans don't need to know what there every move is but bloody hell the fans make the sport what it is not the riders!!! With out fans it would be 20 dudes on a SX track by them selfs.
randel.ludwig.5 9/5/2014 3:58am
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Here's a good example. Rv said I'm doing outdoors when the whole time he knew he wasn't. So when you book airline fucking tickets and accomidation...
Here's a good example.

Rv said I'm doing outdoors when the whole time he knew he wasn't.

So when you book airline fucking tickets and accomidation to see the guy in action and then it all comes out its very disappointing.

I agree fans don't need to know what there every move is but bloody hell the fans make the sport what it is not the riders!!! With out fans it would be 20 dudes on a SX track by them selfs.
I can understand that kind of frustration. Hope you had a good trip anyway.Smile
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But Lynch is a team player in a team sport , who isnt in front of the camera week in , week out , saying ' thanks to Monster Energy kawasaki, Volcom etc etc.... Its an entirely different ball game (lol).

Football is all about the team winning and putting arses on seats week in , week out ... there is no associated product being pushed , just advertising being sold off the back of it .

RV rides green to sell green , and all the badges and stickers on the bike and clothing are there to sell product , that is totally missing in NFL.

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JeepnMike 9/5/2014 7:02am
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I don't follow him like a stalker.... LOL. All I know about off-season is that he did as little as he could with the team during spring training and wanted more money than he signed for, again, from a fan perspective it makes him look more like a dick. I suspect you know more than I do about it, but from an average fan perspective, he is a dickhead that plays football really really well. That is why I said you are doing RV a disservice to compare him to this chump is all Smile
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It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he is ready to say something.
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JeepnMike 9/5/2014 7:14am
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eightbitmotocrosser wrote:
It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he...
It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he is ready to say something.
And also if you want to keep the fans you've got.
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huck 9/5/2014 7:21am
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Here's a good example. Rv said I'm doing outdoors when the whole time he knew he wasn't. So when you book airline fucking tickets and accomidation...
Here's a good example.

Rv said I'm doing outdoors when the whole time he knew he wasn't.

So when you book airline fucking tickets and accomidation to see the guy in action and then it all comes out its very disappointing.

I agree fans don't need to know what there every move is but bloody hell the fans make the sport what it is not the riders!!! With out fans it would be 20 dudes on a SX track by them selfs.
1. How do you know that RV 'knew he wasn't'?
2. That's all....question number 1 was enough.
eightbitmotocrosser 9/5/2014 7:22am
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It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he...
It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he is ready to say something.
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And also if you want to keep the fans you've got.
That's not RV's job. If some are fair-weathered fans and will stop being a fan because RV doesn't update them at their whims, then I guess it's their loss, not RV's.
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fidiot 9/5/2014 7:29am
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I'm one of many. We all pay his bills. Yeah he should show a little more respect to us I think.
Skippie wrote:
Does anyone ever stop to think that maybe the people who write his multi-million dollar checks every year don't want him saying anything?
I would think it would be in the best interest of those people writing his checks to keep his fans happy too. They are the ones who buy the bikes, gear, shirts, hats etc. Lost fans = lost profit.
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huck 9/5/2014 7:31am
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TDeath21 wrote:
I'm one of many. We all pay his bills. Yeah he should show a little more respect to us I think.
Skippie wrote:
Does anyone ever stop to think that maybe the people who write his multi-million dollar checks every year don't want him saying anything?
fidiot wrote:
I would think it would be in the best interest of those people writing his checks to keep his fans happy too. They are the ones...
I would think it would be in the best interest of those people writing his checks to keep his fans happy too. They are the ones who buy the bikes, gear, shirts, hats etc. Lost fans = lost profit.
If somebody didn't buy his 'gear' because he didn't get on social media and layout his life story....then they really aren't a fan of his riding anyway. Freaking crybabies!
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JeepnMike 9/5/2014 7:36am
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eightbitmotocrosser wrote:
It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he...
It all boils down to fans wanting to know something and thinking they have a right to know. RV doesn't have to say anything until he is ready to say something.
JeepnMike wrote:
And also if you want to keep the fans you've got.
eightbitmotocrosser wrote:
That's not RV's job. If some are fair-weathered fans and will stop being a fan because RV doesn't update them at their whims, then I guess...
That's not RV's job. If some are fair-weathered fans and will stop being a fan because RV doesn't update them at their whims, then I guess it's their loss, not RV's.
Don't stretch the point of mine or some other's here. I certainly didn't say he didn't "update me at my whim". This has been a year of mystery for RV's fans, eventually they get jaded by it (ask JS7 fans, including his former fans). Clearly folks are starting to get sick of it. Yeah he doesn't owe his fans anything, but his pile of secrets and LIES over the past few MONTHS is getting old. And yes, some of us will say good riddance to him. If you think he doesn't care, you are just more of a tough guy than me.

You have fun with your view there, that is fine.
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RY4N37 9/5/2014 7:47am
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It's right that RV doesn't have to say anything just because his fans want to know what's going on. What's not right though is straight up lying to those who support you. He lied by saying that he would be racing the nationals when it seems pretty clear that he knew he wouldn't be, he also said earlier in the year that he wouldn't be racing in the GP's either and it seems increasingly likely that that was also a lie.

If he genuinely doesn't know what's gonna happen for next year, or he can't say anything about it, fair enough, I can understand that he needs to take time with his decision, but don't just make something up. Just say 'I don't know, I'll let you know when I know'

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