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brlatm 8/7/2014 9:17am
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ML512 wrote:
Not the person we're talking about. Laughing
Maybe a good thing or this place would go on full Defcon stage 5 meltdown, you would have to get OCScottie up to help cleanup the mess that would leave behind.
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Skuzzy29 8/7/2014 9:17am
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This thread was started 10 hours ago!

10 hours ago James posted on twitter:

James Stewart @js7
I Miss stylin for you guys.

Coincidence? ...I think not! ...lol Laughing
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I don't know shit about any of this topic but that will not stop me from replying.

Harrrummmph...
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Dirty Mike 8/7/2014 9:20am
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Dirty Mike wrote:
Not trying to cause trouble but all I am saying I've heard it's not going to end well for the Dunge.
ML512 wrote:
Not the person we're talking about. Laughing
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever.

Just saying, from what I heard I don't think 5 is finishing outdoors. I am praying I am wrong

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MxKing809 8/7/2014 9:21am
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Skuzzy29 wrote:
This thread was started 10 hours ago! 10 hours ago James posted on twitter: James Stewart @js7 I Miss stylin for you guys. Coincidence? ...I think...
This thread was started 10 hours ago!

10 hours ago James posted on twitter:

James Stewart @js7
I Miss stylin for you guys.

Coincidence? ...I think not! ...lol Laughing
I just don't see GuyB trolling.... That's not his style. Would be pretty disappointing if it is just a troll....
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tprice07 8/7/2014 9:22am
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Dirty Mike wrote:
Not trying to cause trouble but all I am saying I've heard it's not going to end well for the Dunge.
ML512 wrote:
Not the person we're talking about. Laughing
Dirty Mike wrote:
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever. Just saying, from what...
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever.

Just saying, from what I heard I don't think 5 is finishing outdoors. I am praying I am wrong
His (DUNGEY) girlfriend is going to come on here and slap you.....
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peelout 8/7/2014 9:23am
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i've been saying from the beginning that testing is going to fuck the sport.



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zook11 8/7/2014 9:26am
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Dirty Mike wrote:
Not trying to cause trouble but all I am saying I've heard it's not going to end well for the Dunge.
ML512 wrote:
Not the person we're talking about. Laughing
Dirty Mike wrote:
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever. Just saying, from what...
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever.

Just saying, from what I heard I don't think 5 is finishing outdoors. I am praying I am wrong
Interesting. Dry
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tprice07 8/7/2014 9:29am
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ML512 wrote:
Not the person we're talking about. Laughing
Dirty Mike wrote:
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever. Just saying, from what...
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever.

Just saying, from what I heard I don't think 5 is finishing outdoors. I am praying I am wrong
zook11 wrote:
Interesting. Dry
total speculation..don't listen to it...
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Skuzzy29 8/7/2014 9:30am
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Skuzzy29 wrote:
This thread was started 10 hours ago! 10 hours ago James posted on twitter: James Stewart @js7 I Miss stylin for you guys. Coincidence? ...I think...
This thread was started 10 hours ago!

10 hours ago James posted on twitter:

James Stewart @js7
I Miss stylin for you guys.

Coincidence? ...I think not! ...lol Laughing
MxKing809 wrote:
I just don't see GuyB trolling.... That's not his style. Would be pretty disappointing if it is just a troll....
It was just too tempting to have fun playing connect the conspiracy dots! ...even if completely unrelated. Wink
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Zracer 8/7/2014 9:31am
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peelout wrote:
i've been saying from the beginning that testing is going to fuck the sport. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/07/61732/s1200_53382475.jpg[/img]
i've been saying from the beginning that testing is going to fuck the sport.



The sport will be just fine. Weed out the guys that cant get with the program and move on with the rest.
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TankSlapper 8/7/2014 9:33am
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Peely speaks the truth:

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Mxdnusa 8/7/2014 9:38am
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Are the gp's drug friendly?
Be quite the sight to see a handful of our top guys go over seas and race.
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newmann 8/7/2014 9:39am
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Reed hurt his shoulder playing pool and Pastrana hurt his shoulder in the pool. Ahhhhh, the good old days.


Mike Craig tripped in his hotel room and blew his knee out and Damon Bradshaw really choked at the LA Coliseum.Whistling Whistling
TheNewOriginal 8/7/2014 9:51am
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MotoX85 wrote:
They are no longer the top stars if they cheat. They are the people who cheated to get to the top. Could care less how big...
They are no longer the top stars if they cheat. They are the people who cheated to get to the top. Could care less how big a name a rider thinks he is, their name is mud once they are caught cheating.

No exceptions. NONE!!!!!

Roczen is my rider, Tomac also, if either one comes back positive for drug testing and/or did not follow the rules. They should be suspended, fined, disqualified, whatever, no hesitation.

This is how it has to be and it has to start somewhere. If every rider gets DQed, then we will eventually get the point across to future riders and then we will not have this problem and then we will have true champions of the sport. Not saying we don't now but you see my point.
No, I don't see your point. Zero tolerance in a motorsport? So, RC is no longer a top star, since he ran illegal fuel?
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themrtoad 8/7/2014 9:54am
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In sweden they checked old blood tests of former stars in crosscountry skiing. Our top guy at that time was actually clean, but other athletes had suspect levels(aka cheating) It would be really interesting to go back in time and check RC4 and see what goatblood really looked like. I saw his unreal performance in Ernee mxon 2005 and have been suspicious ever since. It's not a euro vs usa thing. I remember Swede Peter Johansson loosing out to cheater Andrea Bartolini in 500gp. I dislike all cheaters
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Zracer 8/7/2014 9:59am
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MotoX85 wrote:
They are no longer the top stars if they cheat. They are the people who cheated to get to the top. Could care less how big...
They are no longer the top stars if they cheat. They are the people who cheated to get to the top. Could care less how big a name a rider thinks he is, their name is mud once they are caught cheating.

No exceptions. NONE!!!!!

Roczen is my rider, Tomac also, if either one comes back positive for drug testing and/or did not follow the rules. They should be suspended, fined, disqualified, whatever, no hesitation.

This is how it has to be and it has to start somewhere. If every rider gets DQed, then we will eventually get the point across to future riders and then we will not have this problem and then we will have true champions of the sport. Not saying we don't now but you see my point.
TheNewOriginal wrote:
No, I don't see your point. Zero tolerance in a motorsport? So, RC is no longer a top star, since he ran illegal fuel?
Do you think RC was there when the full was put in? Do you think he put it in himself? Do you even think he knew anything about it till after it was tested ?This is a dumb comparison to peds.
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davistld01 8/7/2014 10:03am
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philG wrote:
its designed to level the playing field.... no cost is too high.
Soooooo...if the rider takes Adderall (sp?) to correct an attention dysfunction that keeps him at a disadvantage to other riders without the dysfunction, his taking the drug would help to level the playing field. Correct?

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Dart Board 8/7/2014 10:11am
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there were some heavy rumors of riders failing for masking agents but it being covered up in favor of letting James take all the heat for bullshit adderall
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hillbilly 8/7/2014 10:14am
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GuyB wrote:
That drug testing is a good idea, but it could come with a very high cost...
Drugs come with a very high cost and testing is a good idea.
TripleFive 8/7/2014 10:15am
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Dart Board wrote:
there were some heavy rumors of riders failing for masking agents but it being covered up in favor of letting James take all the heat for...
there were some heavy rumors of riders failing for masking agents but it being covered up in favor of letting James take all the heat for bullshit adderall
I'm just confused about who could cover this up. I really don't think any athlete in our sport is big enough to silence WADA/USADA.

After WADA/USADA determines guilt, is it up to the signatory to make the announcements / levy the punishment?
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ML512 8/7/2014 10:16am
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Dirty Mike wrote:
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever. Just saying, from what...
I didn't post that because somehow I drew intelligent information from your posts. It has no relation to you what so ever.

Just saying, from what I heard I don't think 5 is finishing outdoors. I am praying I am wrong
Your prayers have been answered. Wink
Dart Board 8/7/2014 10:17am
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Dart Board wrote:
there were some heavy rumors of riders failing for masking agents but it being covered up in favor of letting James take all the heat for...
there were some heavy rumors of riders failing for masking agents but it being covered up in favor of letting James take all the heat for bullshit adderall
TripleFive wrote:
I'm just confused about who could cover this up. I really don't think any athlete in our sport is big enough to silence WADA/USADA. After WADA/USADA...
I'm just confused about who could cover this up. I really don't think any athlete in our sport is big enough to silence WADA/USADA.

After WADA/USADA determines guilt, is it up to the signatory to make the announcements / levy the punishment?
On the SX side, FIM/FELD make the decisions. All WADA does is test and give them the results
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My guess is that most of your old champions were om peds one way or the other. Why shouldn't they? Therese was no real tests up until now for gods sake and they made perhaps even more money before bike sales went south. You can't even call it cheating but you are extremely naive go think they weren't.
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bradnelson 8/7/2014 10:27am
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wait a minute........ we were told ALL riders passed the Thunder Valley test. Are we off on a tangent here ?
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MxKing809 8/7/2014 10:29am
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ML512 wrote:
Your prayers have been answered. Wink
When can we expect some clarity on all this?
SEE ARE125 8/7/2014 10:30am
8/7/2014 10:30am
bradnelson wrote:
wait a minute........ we were told ALL riders passed the Thunder Valley test. Are we off on a tangent here ?
Typo bro, was supposed to be pissed, not passed.
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MotoX85 8/7/2014 10:32am
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MotoX85 wrote:
They are no longer the top stars if they cheat. They are the people who cheated to get to the top. Could care less how big...
They are no longer the top stars if they cheat. They are the people who cheated to get to the top. Could care less how big a name a rider thinks he is, their name is mud once they are caught cheating.

No exceptions. NONE!!!!!

Roczen is my rider, Tomac also, if either one comes back positive for drug testing and/or did not follow the rules. They should be suspended, fined, disqualified, whatever, no hesitation.

This is how it has to be and it has to start somewhere. If every rider gets DQed, then we will eventually get the point across to future riders and then we will not have this problem and then we will have true champions of the sport. Not saying we don't now but you see my point.
TheNewOriginal wrote:
No, I don't see your point. Zero tolerance in a motorsport? So, RC is no longer a top star, since he ran illegal fuel?
This is why you cannot have a good conversation on the internet anymore.

HUH!!!!!!!!!

RCs problems where with fuel that he had nothing to do with when put in. Then it was learned that the fuel was actually absorbing lead from the can it was contained in hence it was VPs fault, thus reinstating RCs points. How this applies to what we are talking about is beyond me.

However, if RC was caught adding lead and oxygen to his fuel, then yes, zero tolerance and he should have been disqualified.

Zero Tolerance on cheating, yes.

Have no idea if you have ever been in charge of anything but do not know how you enforce "some" rules and not others without consistency and expect to be taken seriously.

Firm, fair and consistent is directly out of the leadership handbook.

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