So was Adderall helping James before....or no?

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Edited Date/Time 7/6/2014 8:10pm
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question.

Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably.

He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if being off ( what ever it was he was using )......is taking a toll on him?

For some people....that drug wouldn't work. For some others it's a wonder drug. Is it a PED?.......in my opinion yes AND no. It enhances some peoples capabilities where their minds need to work at a 100mph. Others it would probably give them a heart attack..

I still stand neutral on it.....as I'm all for these guys getting across the finish line healthy.

But do you think with James possibly not taking the MED / PED ( whatever you want to call it )......is it hindering him right now?
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7/5/2014 6:56pm
last week i kept telling myself,bad starts,stuff happens. then after today,he does look off. is it all the extra press,attention for this crap or is it the crap? all i know is its a 180 from earlier in the nationals. hell,all year with sx too. i wish he could be up there in that epic battle today.
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Did he for sure stop taking whatever medication he was taking? If he did it's a substantial difference
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IF he has stopped taking it, he needs to get a TUE A.S.A.P.!
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7/5/2014 7:09pm
Assuming he was using it in SX he still had several crashes in that series also. I do not see how getting wrapped up in first turn pileups or tucking the front end has anything to do with medication. Sometimes when these guys are pushing the pace the front tire just does not hold traction no matter how hard you are concentrating.

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7/5/2014 7:15pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Did he for sure stop taking whatever medication he was taking? If he did it's a substantial difference
I'd be surprised if he's stopped. I believe he's filed the appropriate papers for the MX series. Whether it's been approved I haven't heard.
7/5/2014 7:26pm
GuyB wrote:
I'd be surprised if he's stopped. I believe he's filed the appropriate papers for the MX series. Whether it's been approved I haven't heard.
Any clue about the timing of his filing?

Before the MX season? Before Lakewood? After the Press Release?
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7/5/2014 7:34pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2014 7:37pm
Pretty weird post there, GuyB. Certainly gives the impression he hadn't filed previously.
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7/5/2014 7:35pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2014 7:35pm
It's a bummer not having him up front whatever the reason
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He started out the season ok and then a couple weeks ago he went with a 1-1. These past two weeks.....he looks like a completely different rider.

Maybe not though. The crash with Grant was just a bad racing moment , and the 2nd moto his start sucked......but I figured he would of moved up more than he did.

That moto last weekend where he he went down in the first turn and came all the way back to 5th was impressive.

I dunno. Just seems a little different now. Distractions maybe? That's one thing he's never been good at......keeping the distractions at a distance.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question. Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably. He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if...
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question.

Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably.

He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if being off ( what ever it was he was using )......is taking a toll on him?

For some people....that drug wouldn't work. For some others it's a wonder drug. Is it a PED?.......in my opinion yes AND no. It enhances some peoples capabilities where their minds need to work at a 100mph. Others it would probably give them a heart attack..

I still stand neutral on it.....as I'm all for these guys getting across the finish line healthy.

But do you think with James possibly not taking the MED / PED ( whatever you want to call it )......is it hindering him right now?
"What ever it was he was using" it's been confirmed it was adderall..
And they said on the pulp show he had fired a TUE for the outdoors. He's just been off lately (he looked great untl he collided with grant) is there even any proof hes taking it before he rides? Pretty sure were all just assuming he does (theres that clip of him taking a pill before the gate drop at MEC, could of been pain meds?). It stays in your system for 5 days after taking it.
7/5/2014 8:17pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2014 8:18pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question. Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably. He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if...
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question.

Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably.

He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if being off ( what ever it was he was using )......is taking a toll on him?

For some people....that drug wouldn't work. For some others it's a wonder drug. Is it a PED?.......in my opinion yes AND no. It enhances some peoples capabilities where their minds need to work at a 100mph. Others it would probably give them a heart attack..

I still stand neutral on it.....as I'm all for these guys getting across the finish line healthy.

But do you think with James possibly not taking the MED / PED ( whatever you want to call it )......is it hindering him right now?
And what if he was never taking it for performance enhancement? What if it was just recreational. Then what?

A guy is about to be chased out of the sport over adderal? Really? Fucking A. Of all the PED use and/or recreational drug use that has gone on in this sport/industry/(planet for that matter) I'm just in total disbelief that of all people and for all things, Bubba is gonna have his legacy tarnished for this. Un-fucking-real.

I don't even know where to point the blame tho. Bubba....the sanctioning bodies....dumb court of public opinion....everyone is guilty I suppose.
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And what if he was never taking it for performance enhancement? What if it was just recreational. Then what? A guy is about to be chased...
And what if he was never taking it for performance enhancement? What if it was just recreational. Then what?

A guy is about to be chased out of the sport over adderal? Really? Fucking A. Of all the PED use and/or recreational drug use that has gone on in this sport/industry/(planet for that matter) I'm just in total disbelief that of all people and for all things, Bubba is gonna have his legacy tarnished for this. Un-fucking-real.

I don't even know where to point the blame tho. Bubba....the sanctioning bodies....dumb court of public opinion....everyone is guilty I suppose.
I agree. If he were going to intentionally take something for an advantage, why would it be adderal? There are better drugs to enhance performance for sure but I'm pretty uneducated about all the different drugs.

As for his performance, I think it's just a bit of a lack of sleep, and a drain on his mojo with all the issues this has brought about. I just want to see him race like he raced before now.
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QFT. This topic has been beat more times than the Los Angeles Clippers before Chris Paul and Blake Griffin got there.
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what ever, what has happened cant be good for his head and imo those last few tenths are in your head

of course now with some first turn pile ups, the frustration would be adding its part too.

good luck js

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7/5/2014 10:31pm
James won championships without Adderall.

James exhibited more signs of ADD than any rider I can think of.

I'm glad he got treatment.
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7/5/2014 10:38pm
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
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TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?

would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn

cause other than trolling there is no way you could have been to post that rubbish

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TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
wow123 wrote:
would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn cause other than trolling there is no way you could...

would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn

cause other than trolling there is no way you could have been to post that rubbish

My bad. You're right. You don't have to have much focus at all off the start or through the first turn.
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7/5/2014 11:14pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Did he for sure stop taking whatever medication he was taking? If he did it's a substantial difference
GuyB wrote:
I'd be surprised if he's stopped. I believe he's filed the appropriate papers for the MX series. Whether it's been approved I haven't heard.
i agree , im sure all the distractions isn't helping his riding or mental state of mind
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TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
They filed a TUE for the outdoors... He's still on the meds, keep trying.....
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TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
MotoMo165 wrote:
They filed a TUE for the outdoors... He's still on the meds, keep trying.....
If he filed and hasn't gotten approved.....he would be in even worse shit than he is now!

Just because you said he filed.....doesn't clear him. Where or how do you know that he's been cleared to use the medication again? You just read it on here? Source?

I believe that he's no doubt filed for one. But weather he's been approved and is using it again.....that information hasn't been released as far as I know.
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7/5/2014 11:42pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question. Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably. He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if...
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question.

Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably.

He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if being off ( what ever it was he was using )......is taking a toll on him?

For some people....that drug wouldn't work. For some others it's a wonder drug. Is it a PED?.......in my opinion yes AND no. It enhances some peoples capabilities where their minds need to work at a 100mph. Others it would probably give them a heart attack..

I still stand neutral on it.....as I'm all for these guys getting across the finish line healthy.

But do you think with James possibly not taking the MED / PED ( whatever you want to call it )......is it hindering him right now?
How do you know if he is/isn't on an amphetamine?
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jeffro503 wrote:
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question. Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably. He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if...
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question.

Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably.

He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if being off ( what ever it was he was using )......is taking a toll on him?

For some people....that drug wouldn't work. For some others it's a wonder drug. Is it a PED?.......in my opinion yes AND no. It enhances some peoples capabilities where their minds need to work at a 100mph. Others it would probably give them a heart attack..

I still stand neutral on it.....as I'm all for these guys getting across the finish line healthy.

But do you think with James possibly not taking the MED / PED ( whatever you want to call it )......is it hindering him right now?
oldAFI wrote:
How do you know if he is/isn't on an amphetamine?
Ummm?.....What? That was one of the main points in my OP dude. I don't know if he's using anything. I would think if he was , he would be cleared to do so. I don't see him wanting to create an entirely new mess.
7/6/2014 12:05am
Speculation your Honor!

We may get the whole story in the end, maybe not, who knows?

Some of those type of drugs should be weaned off of instead of cold turkey stoppage per doctor's advice, but they also have different effects on different people. This is of course unless they have some serious issues taking the medication. Some of the side effects on similar medications going off them cold turkey are a real bitch.

Bury that frikikin horse before this gets any worse until we get the facts or at least whatever we are allowed.
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7/6/2014 12:09am Edited Date/Time 7/6/2014 12:19am
TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
wow123 wrote:
would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn cause other than trolling there is no way you could...

would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn

cause other than trolling there is no way you could have been to post that rubbish

TDeath21 wrote:
My bad. You're right. You don't have to have much focus at all off the start or through the first turn.
you must be amazing then if you can control everything that happens in the first turn as long as you are focused

I mean being focused will save you if 3 guys fall in front of you right?,

or if someone plows into you from behind your focus will stop you from going down right?

total rubbish again
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If you have ADHD every emotion is enhanced. People with this condition have problems focusing without being in the spotlight and being accused of doping. Adderal is a great med that helps people with ADHD. It helps people with this condition to function more like people that dont have it. It does not work as an enhancer for him. If he has been using this med for some time and he suddenly have to stop use it, i believe he suffers alot from that. hope he can sort the issue out.
7/6/2014 12:41am
Sideways wrote:
If you have ADHD every emotion is enhanced. People with this condition have problems focusing without being in the spotlight and being accused of doping. Adderal...
If you have ADHD every emotion is enhanced. People with this condition have problems focusing without being in the spotlight and being accused of doping. Adderal is a great med that helps people with ADHD. It helps people with this condition to function more like people that dont have it. It does not work as an enhancer for him. If he has been using this med for some time and he suddenly have to stop use it, i believe he suffers alot from that. hope he can sort the issue out.
My 9yr old daughter takes medication for it and the results are amazing.

I was always against that kind of stuff but my wife is a teacher and said with the proper medication and dosage she had witnessed results that are undeniable. I relented and it took us trying a few different medications to get the one that worked the best for her and then to fine tune the dosage to the minimum necessary.

The nurse wrote the script wrong once (slow release) versus the immediate release that she was normally taking. It was immediately apparent that something was wrong, her emotions were all over the place, looked at the bottle and called the pharmacist. Same medicine just in a different form of release and the difference was unbelievable.
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^nice. definitely takes some trial and error, that's awesome it's working well for her nowSmile

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