Stewart's FIM Decision

Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:03pm
6/20/2014 3:03pm
Fraser wrote:
You still need an ama licence to ride though, that's the point I think .
AMA doesnt need to follow any of the FIM rules... obviously he needs an AMA pro racing license but that has no relevance since AMA is the license owner not FIM, AMA pro racing license is different from your AMA license or Supercross license
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toroP 6/20/2014 3:10pm
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In Racerhead, DC claims Adderall is not a PED. Is he correct, or out of touch?
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Fraser 6/20/2014 3:10pm
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Not sure that's the case I'm afraid, I think the AMA do have to follow FIM rules. But hey I'm no expert so we'll have to see what happens
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:13pm
6/20/2014 3:13pm
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Not sure that's the case I'm afraid, I think the AMA do have to follow FIM rules. But hey I'm no expert so we'll have to...
Not sure that's the case I'm afraid, I think the AMA do have to follow FIM rules. But hey I'm no expert so we'll have to see what happens
No they dont, thats why stewart is allowed to race Muddy creek and every round coming up for the nats unless he fails a USADA drug test. Hese just suspended from SX at the moment and the MXON and MXGP

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Fraser 6/20/2014 3:20pm
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In Racerhead DC says he doesn't yet know what will happen and whether JS is allowed to race...
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:23pm
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In Racerhead DC says he doesn't yet know what will happen and whether JS is allowed to race...
they dont know if hese allowed to race SUPERCROSS not MOTOCROSS.. Supercross is FIM and FELD. Motocross is AMA Pro racing..... He is allowed to race nationals just not supercross ATM
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petersen112 6/20/2014 3:28pm
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Was driving with my brother today and we got on the subject of des nations. Wouldnt this ban James from racing that as well (if he had been chosen of course)? Sucks to see this kind of news no matter what.
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Fraser 6/20/2014 3:30pm
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from Racerhead-

At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM and AMA Pro Racing not so much, so this is all new ground.

I don't think It says anywhere that JS is allowed to ride, what it says is they don't know at this point...
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:31pm
6/20/2014 3:31pm
Fraser wrote:
from Racerhead- At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM...
from Racerhead-

At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM and AMA Pro Racing not so much, so this is all new ground.

I don't think It says anywhere that JS is allowed to ride, what it says is they don't know at this point...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:33pm
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AMA and AMA Pro Racing are 2 different bodys, AMA is American Motorcyclist Association and AMA Pro Racing is MX Sports (DC organises the outdoors)
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Fraser 6/20/2014 3:36pm
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Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and AMA Pro Racing are 2 different bodys, AMA is American Motorcyclist Association and AMA Pro Racing is MX Sports (DC organises the outdoors)
I know all that, it doesn't matter what I think, I was showing you what DC said. That's what is important surely? Or does he not know either?
tailwind182 6/20/2014 3:38pm
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Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:39pm
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Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and AMA Pro Racing are 2 different bodys, AMA is American Motorcyclist Association and AMA Pro Racing is MX Sports (DC organises the outdoors)
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I know all that, it doesn't matter what I think, I was showing you what DC said. That's what is important surely? Or does he not...
I know all that, it doesn't matter what I think, I was showing you what DC said. That's what is important surely? Or does he not know either?
You arent catching on.... He wasnt talking about outdoors, he would know if hese racing outdoors or not before anyone... hese talking about supercross and if stewart is going to line up or if hese going to be busy with the FIM thing, he is allowed to line up regardless.
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Bauer 6/20/2014 3:40pm
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Fraser wrote:
from Racerhead- At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM...
from Racerhead-

At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM and AMA Pro Racing not so much, so this is all new ground.

I don't think It says anywhere that JS is allowed to ride, what it says is they don't know at this point...
Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a clue and are just talking out your asses. Buncha Macho Camacho BroDo Birds!
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 3:57pm
6/20/2014 3:57pm
Fraser wrote:
from Racerhead- At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM...
from Racerhead-

At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM and AMA Pro Racing not so much, so this is all new ground.

I don't think It says anywhere that JS is allowed to ride, what it says is they don't know at this point...
Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Bauer wrote:
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a...
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a clue and are just talking out your asses. Buncha Macho Camacho BroDo Birds!
Really? I dont know what im talking about yet i knew who it was 2 days before you did? before stewart did? Wait till monday when some other things come out and you will feel DUMB.
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Fraser wrote:
from Racerhead- At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM...
from Racerhead-

At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM and AMA Pro Racing not so much, so this is all new ground.

I don't think It says anywhere that JS is allowed to ride, what it says is they don't know at this point...
Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Bauer wrote:
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a...
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a clue and are just talking out your asses. Buncha Macho Camacho BroDo Birds!
+1. and I'm embarrassed to live on the same patch of dirt as one idiot suitably addressed by Peely. JS would have to be the most heavily criticized and ridiculed rider in the history and future of this sport. Or on 2 wheels. And probably 4.
inthebadboycorner 6/20/2014 3:59pm
6/20/2014 3:59pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2014 4:09pm
Well if most of you are right and he does line up at the next national, Shame on AMA Pro racing for not having a drug policy.

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Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 4:01pm
6/20/2014 4:01pm
Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Bauer wrote:
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a...
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a clue and are just talking out your asses. Buncha Macho Camacho BroDo Birds!
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+1. and I'm embarrassed to live on the same patch of dirt as one idiot suitably addressed by Peely. JS would have to be the most...
+1. and I'm embarrassed to live on the same patch of dirt as one idiot suitably addressed by Peely. JS would have to be the most heavily criticized and ridiculed rider in the history and future of this sport. Or on 2 wheels. And probably 4.
What.. how am i criticizing stewart im standing up for him... hese been my favourite rider since 04...
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 4:03pm
6/20/2014 4:03pm
Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Bauer wrote:
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a...
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a clue and are just talking out your asses. Buncha Macho Camacho BroDo Birds!
Underground wrote:
+1. and I'm embarrassed to live on the same patch of dirt as one idiot suitably addressed by Peely. JS would have to be the most...
+1. and I'm embarrassed to live on the same patch of dirt as one idiot suitably addressed by Peely. JS would have to be the most heavily criticized and ridiculed rider in the history and future of this sport. Or on 2 wheels. And probably 4.
Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him in my room and a signed jersey not to forget possibly a replica bike build...
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MX558 6/20/2014 4:04pm
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toroP wrote:
In Racerhead, DC claims Adderall is not a PED. Is he correct, or out of touch?
So DC is an expert on PED's now ?
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jasonv43 6/20/2014 4:07pm
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I just want to know is it ADD or Narcolepsy?

"For instance, the test in question apparently showed trace amounts of amphetamine, not PEDs, similar to something one might find in someone using Adderall or Ritalin, two commonly prescribed drugs to treat people for a wide range of symptoms, including attention deficit disorder and narcolepsy."
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 4:09pm
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I just want to know is it ADD or Narcolepsy? "For instance, the test in question apparently showed trace amounts of amphetamine, not PEDs, similar to...
I just want to know is it ADD or Narcolepsy?

"For instance, the test in question apparently showed trace amounts of amphetamine, not PEDs, similar to something one might find in someone using Adderall or Ritalin, two commonly prescribed drugs to treat people for a wide range of symptoms, including attention deficit disorder and narcolepsy."
ADHD
gabrielmalinois 6/20/2014 4:10pm
6/20/2014 4:10pm
toroP wrote:
In Racerhead, DC claims Adderall is not a PED. Is he correct, or out of touch?
MX558 wrote:
So DC is an expert on PED's now ?
I think classification wise. He tested positive for amphetamine which Adderall is one of many, which falls under a different classification than a PED even if it does enhance performance.
gabrielmalinois 6/20/2014 4:12pm
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Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him...
Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him in my room and a signed jersey not to forget possibly a replica bike build...
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they wanted to which would mean more of a suspension in supercross. It will get figured out before it comes to that though.
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 4:15pm
6/20/2014 4:15pm
Kyriazis298 wrote:
Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him...
Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him in my room and a signed jersey not to forget possibly a replica bike build...
gabrielmalinois wrote:
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they...
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they wanted to which would mean more of a suspension in supercross. It will get figured out before it comes to that though.
Yes cant race events that FIM governs, Outdoor MX nationals is not a race that they govern, they will have no official say in if he can race or not. If AMA Pro Racing or MXSports doesent want him racing they gotta wait on the USADA drug testing results... anyways i got to go do some wrenching might be ocasionally posting on here but dont expect a response haha
inthebadboycorner 6/20/2014 4:23pm
6/20/2014 4:23pm
Fraser wrote:
from Racerhead- At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM...
from Racerhead-

At this point, I don't really know how this is going to turn out. The AMA and the FIM work closely together, the FIM and AMA Pro Racing not so much, so this is all new ground.

I don't think It says anywhere that JS is allowed to ride, what it says is they don't know at this point...
Kyriazis298 wrote:
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor...
AMA and FIM work close together hence they own supercross.... FIM and AMA Pro Racing (the owners of Motocross) dont work well with each other. Therefor FIM has no say in if hese allowed to race the outdoors, AMA Pro racing decides that. You literally have no idea what ur talking about
Bauer wrote:
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a...
Wow. So many know-it-all motherfuckers in here, all trying to prove how much smarter they are than the next guy, when none of you have a clue and are just talking out your asses. Buncha Macho Camacho BroDo Birds!
WADA has far reaching powers, we here in Australia now have one of our premier football teams Essendon, Stripped of points last year and individual players still waiting for sanctioning bans due to a supplement program back in 2012/ 2013

The team/ players did not even test positive, although the news broke of the program, and what some or all of the players may or may not have been given, the supplimentss given is not even documented by the "doctor".
Anyway WADA pounced.

This drama came to another head just this week as well, with wada putting the players on notice "please explain",
Wada did not even inform the Australian Anti doping ASADA or the football sanctioning body AFL of this and don't have to give details either.

Most sports have a drug policy and ARE affiliated with WADA.
inthebadboycorner 6/20/2014 4:24pm
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Kyriazis298 wrote:
Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him...
Im clearly saying he is still racing outdoors... and thats the only point im trying to make. Theres a reason i have 4 posters of him in my room and a signed jersey not to forget possibly a replica bike build...
gabrielmalinois wrote:
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they...
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they wanted to which would mean more of a suspension in supercross. It will get figured out before it comes to that though.
Kyriazis298 wrote:
Yes cant race events that FIM governs, Outdoor MX nationals is not a race that they govern, they will have no official say in if he...
Yes cant race events that FIM governs, Outdoor MX nationals is not a race that they govern, they will have no official say in if he can race or not. If AMA Pro Racing or MXSports doesent want him racing they gotta wait on the USADA drug testing results... anyways i got to go do some wrenching might be ocasionally posting on here but dont expect a response haha
WADA is in control of USADA, what WADA says goes, and they don't have to give an explanation.
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FreshTopEnd 6/20/2014 4:28pm
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gabrielmalinois wrote:
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they...
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they wanted to which would mean more of a suspension in supercross. It will get figured out before it comes to that though.
" It will get figured out before it comes to that though."

I agree with that, at least that there is going to be an effort to come up with a solution everyone buys into. To some extent that's easier for the FIM as it was their series, but I'd hate to be in Davey and Carrie's shoes as they (or the DMG people with AMA Pro Racing) sort out what a drug violation means for their unaffiliated series when MXSports has just implemented its own testing and sanctions regime. It's hard to imagine Stew and Suzuki accepting without challenge a sanction that would effectively end his career in "official" events, but it's also hard to see how the sanctioning bodies get out from the pretty clear directives of programs they've felt the need to implement. The best interim solution for the nats short of following the FIM lead may be to reserve judgment while the WADA/FIM process runs its course from provisional to final, whatever the final outcome is.
Kyriazis298 6/20/2014 4:30pm
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gabrielmalinois wrote:
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they...
The FIM says he cant race while he is suspended. MX sports might allow it but the FIM could suspend him for that also if they wanted to which would mean more of a suspension in supercross. It will get figured out before it comes to that though.
Kyriazis298 wrote:
Yes cant race events that FIM governs, Outdoor MX nationals is not a race that they govern, they will have no official say in if he...
Yes cant race events that FIM governs, Outdoor MX nationals is not a race that they govern, they will have no official say in if he can race or not. If AMA Pro Racing or MXSports doesent want him racing they gotta wait on the USADA drug testing results... anyways i got to go do some wrenching might be ocasionally posting on here but dont expect a response haha
inthebadboycorner wrote:
WADA is in control of USADA, what WADA says goes, and they don't have to give an explanation.
Wait till next week, he will be lining up.. lots of news to come monday for you guys about the situation. ANYWAYS i gota go wrench!! take it easy everyone... be safe at the races!

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