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Here's a sport so ignored by mainstream America that is has to pay to be on TV. So what do the promoters hope to achieve by testing the athletes for drug usage (and it's not just PEDs they'll be testing for)? Are they looking to prove that people involved in the sport are pure? Are they trying to prevent the athletes from harming themselves? Are they trying to avoid a congressional hearing into the matter?

Whatever they are trying to do, it apparently has nothing to do with improving the sport for the participants and spectators, and it will have zero effect on bringing more fans to the sport.

But of course, that's just my opinion. Why do you think they're adding this rule, and why now?
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They're doing it because they think it will magically make Americans slower come MXofN time..
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Pdub wrote:
Here's a sport so ignored by mainstream America that is has to pay to be on TV. So what do the promoters hope to achieve by...
Here's a sport so ignored by mainstream America that is has to pay to be on TV. So what do the promoters hope to achieve by testing the athletes for drug usage (and it's not just PEDs they'll be testing for)? Are they looking to prove that people involved in the sport are pure? Are they trying to prevent the athletes from harming themselves? Are they trying to avoid a congressional hearing into the matter?

Whatever they are trying to do, it apparently has nothing to do with improving the sport for the participants and spectators, and it will have zero effect on bringing more fans to the sport.

But of course, that's just my opinion. Why do you think they're adding this rule, and why now?
I think it’s a step in the right direction. No need to mention names because no one is breaking any rules, but its no secrete the top guys are using drugs like HGH. Do any of you know what kind of advantage it is to be able to afford these drugs along having a trainer that knows how to effectively use these drugs? The advantage is that these drugs (when used properly) enable an athlete’s body to recuperate (from hard training or injury) much faster. So basically a rider that has the luxury of a trainer with experience in properly administering the drugs can train harder, and recuperate for injury sooner.

In my opinion that is a big advantage.
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Um...not sure how you can miss the importance of drug testing in motocross, Pdub.

It's like questioning if they should test for gender in a women's basketball league if there are persistent rumors that some of the players are really male. It's to keep things fair and hopefully keep the playing field level. Period.

Now, if they screw it up like the fuel testing, it will be disastrous. The sport definitely doesn' t need a Floyd Landis/TdF type PED controversy.
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338 won't like this rule.

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10/1/2008 3:49pm
Congress doesn't care about Motocross or Supercross.
Drug testing for the riders, to make sure no one is high or cheating, I'm all for.
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Jlaw just took his shirt off,,,,,,,,,,,
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To accurately test for PED's though is really expensive.

If they want to check for HGH, IGF1,IGF2, EPO etc, etc it's gonna cost a fortune.
Who'll pay for all that ? Then if a rider gets a positive and appeals and they get in to a long winded legal battle ? Where's that money coming from?

Have they thought it through ?
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10/1/2008 4:16pm
Take away the purse. That ought to just abuot cover it.
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smart folks with cash won't get caught. look at lance armstrong and floyd landis. one smart guy and one not so smart. duh....i'm with pdub
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10/1/2008 4:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:39pm
englishman wrote:
To accurately test for PED's though is really expensive. If they want to check for HGH, IGF1,IGF2, EPO etc, etc it's gonna cost a fortune. Who'll...
To accurately test for PED's though is really expensive.

If they want to check for HGH, IGF1,IGF2, EPO etc, etc it's gonna cost a fortune.
Who'll pay for all that ? Then if a rider gets a positive and appeals and they get in to a long winded legal battle ? Where's that money coming from?

Have they thought it through ?
Very good point.


Bobby.

Lance was not any smarter than Floyd, there was no EPO test in 99. The daily newspaper, operated by the same company that owns the Tour de France, claimed six urine samples from his 1999 Tour victory contained the banned blood-boosting drug EPO (erythropoietin) – claims strongly denied by Armstrong. The urine test for the presence for EPO was not introduced until the 2000 Giro d’Italia and not fully implemented until 2001.


Cut to today..

AFLD offers Lance Armstrong an analysis of his samples from the 1999 Tour de France to prove his good faith.


France's national anti-doping agency (AFLD) has offered to test allegedly suspect samples taken from Lance Armstrong during the 1999 Tour de France.


We'll see if Lance takes the bait


Besides the AMA can't even do a correct sound test let alone a WADA Drug test.
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10/1/2008 4:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:39pm
Dsigner wrote:
Very good point. Bobby. Lance was not any smarter than Floyd, there was no EPO test in 99. The daily newspaper, operated by the same company...
Very good point.


Bobby.

Lance was not any smarter than Floyd, there was no EPO test in 99. The daily newspaper, operated by the same company that owns the Tour de France, claimed six urine samples from his 1999 Tour victory contained the banned blood-boosting drug EPO (erythropoietin) – claims strongly denied by Armstrong. The urine test for the presence for EPO was not introduced until the 2000 Giro d’Italia and not fully implemented until 2001.


Cut to today..

AFLD offers Lance Armstrong an analysis of his samples from the 1999 Tour de France to prove his good faith.


France's national anti-doping agency (AFLD) has offered to test allegedly suspect samples taken from Lance Armstrong during the 1999 Tour de France.


We'll see if Lance takes the bait


Besides the AMA can't even do a correct sound test let alone a WADA Drug test.
I'll bail the economy out if he agrees to that !!Wink

As far as Floyd goes he just had an idiot for a Dr, You don't draw and store (blood) when you are in a training phase and are taking gear...doh !
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HAAAAA! No shit
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Will this be called the "lawrence rule"?
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Um...not sure how you can miss the importance of drug testing in motocross, Pdub. It's like questioning if they should test for gender in a women's...
Um...not sure how you can miss the importance of drug testing in motocross, Pdub.

It's like questioning if they should test for gender in a women's basketball league if there are persistent rumors that some of the players are really male. It's to keep things fair and hopefully keep the playing field level. Period.

Now, if they screw it up like the fuel testing, it will be disastrous. The sport definitely doesn' t need a Floyd Landis/TdF type PED controversy.
Okay, let's say it is about providing a "level-playing field." What's the point of a such a thing? To make the racing more exciting? To draw bigger crowds? To attract more marketing dollars? If those are the goals, is a "level playing field" the best solution?

If they are banning PED because the good stuff isn't available to everyone, and so it's "unfair" to racers that can't get them or won't take them, then they should say that's why they're banning them. But that's not the public position the promoters are taking. They are taking the position that PEDs are simply "wrong"... but if they're "wrong", why are trainers and athletes using them successfully. If PEDs were ineffective, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I should state that I am in favor of pro athletes taking PEDs, if that's what they want to do. That's not to say that I would want my children to take them, but that's not the point. Pro athletes make a lot of compromises to achieve greatness in their respective sports, and as adults, that is their decision to make. To me, that's called "freedom." People in the stands are free to slowly kill themselves with overpriced beer and oversugared drinks; the riders on the stadium floor are free to potentially cripple themselves in the whoops... why would we infringe on their freedom to use science to enhance their bodies?
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all pointless.
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RC laughs at you all...
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Question:

What do Lance Armstrong, Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart all have in common?

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Yoda wrote:
Question:

What do Lance Armstrong, Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart all have in common?

Champions, they are?
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RC laughs at you all...
Cause he bailed before mandatory testing.... Smile

Joking, I have no facts to back that up...But, I wonder how much of a roll the trainer plays in this, and how much the rider actually knows about what he is using. Are these enhancement drugs all intravenous? Are they consumed like protein or creatine drinks? Could a rider pull the whole "I thought I was injected with , such and such , simply to re hydrate my muscles..."

It seems way to big for our sport. And I think what was said above is true. The guys who are using the stuff that will really help unfortunately will have the money to hide it.
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Yoda wrote:
Question:

What do Lance Armstrong, Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart all have in common?

Haha, its not a guy who has fresh rolls in the morning....
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They all always rise to the challenge?
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How many riders are finding out about this and saying, "Uh-oh."

Personally, I hope the answer is zero. Realistically? There might be some.

Maybe that's part of the reason they're doing it. Currently there's nothing to prevent them from trying just about anyhing in an effort to get faster and stronger.
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Besides the AMA can't even do a correct sound test let alone a WADA Drug test.

...no sheet!Dizzy

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How many riders are finding out about this and saying, "Uh-oh." Personally, I hope the answer is zero. Realistically? There might be some. Maybe that's part...
How many riders are finding out about this and saying, "Uh-oh."

Personally, I hope the answer is zero. Realistically? There might be some.

Maybe that's part of the reason they're doing it. Currently there's nothing to prevent them from trying just about anyhing in an effort to get faster and stronger.
That's true too. Could just be an insurance policy. Discourage it now before it becomes an issue.
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vet954 wrote:
Will this be called the "lawrence rule"?
Hahahaha!!! But seriously, as a fan and somone who appreciates top athletes in my favorite sport I see it as a positive to keep it clean. I hate it when the huge$$$ ball sport guys cry foul because they popped a + test. They make soooo much and screw it up (not talking JL, yet). Anyway, I hate TWEEKERS!!!
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vet954 wrote:
Will this be called the "lawrence rule"?
wavslide wrote:
Hahahaha!!! But seriously, as a fan and somone who appreciates top athletes in my favorite sport I see it as a positive to keep it clean...
Hahahaha!!! But seriously, as a fan and somone who appreciates top athletes in my favorite sport I see it as a positive to keep it clean. I hate it when the huge$$$ ball sport guys cry foul because they popped a + test. They make soooo much and screw it up (not talking JL, yet). Anyway, I hate TWEEKERS!!!
there's a huge difference between someone smoking crank and taking hgh.

Educate yourself, please.
10/1/2008 10:35pm
The Motocross guy's ALWAYS dominated........since they were on 60's.


Lance only started to win after he had cancer.

There areno parralels.
10/1/2008 10:35pm
The Motocross guy's ALWAYS dominated........since they were on 60's.


Lance only started to win after he had cancer.

There areno parralels.
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10/1/2008 10:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:39pm
This is pointless ignorance from people that are too lazy to do enough research about said so called performance enhancing drugs. They are not magical potions that will make you throw a faster baseball, hit a homerun, tackle harder or ride a motorcycle faster. This is typical "im a stupid American that believes what is said on TV" crap. Do some research; learn about the legit uses for these compounds.

Listen if you take HGH or some steroids, you don’t magically become bigger stronger and faster.... it supplements your hard work. just as J law "supplements" before his race and he still wins.

Dude.... please for once in your life.... EDUCATE yourself before making a quick judgment against something you know nothing about.

If your grand pappy had cancer and needed a quick hit of testosterone cyponate to help him recover from chemo, im sure you wouldn’t say... oh no no no please don’t give him a PED, nor would he be winning 450 mains either.... education is wonderful powerful thing
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What about PEDs that enhance stamina and endurance.

Surely that cant would give you an advantage?

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